Toronto doesn't deserve the Blue Jays...

DAWG61

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that stadium and fan base is atrocious. It's a good franchise but they desperately need a new location. What city would you like to see get a MLB team? New Orleans, Nashville, San Antonio, Charlotte, Portland, Memphis? New Orleans is my pick. Make the stadium within walking distance of the French Quarter and Bourbon Street.
 

Todd4State

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Unless the A's move to Sacramento. Portland has tried to get a MLB team for a long time now.

New Orleans- I can't see it happening. It would be cool for Mississippians. I think the most likely southern city to get a MLB team would be Nashville- and the Braves will pitch a fit over it, and I don't blame them. In fact, the Braves will not be for any team in the South, and in some parts like New Orleans, the Astros wouldn't want it. I don't think the interest for MLB is there in NOLA right now.

If I were to move the Blue Jays, Buffalo, NY is a logical location. I think Indianapolis would be a good location for a team as well.
 

Maroon Eagle

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The Marlins were second worst but should improve with their new stadium. The Rays were third worst.

I know about Portland getting a MLB franchise since their longtime AAA club is now playing in Tucson.
 

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are all AAA affiliates located in bigger cities (based on straight-up city population; not metro area) than their representative MLB clubs (Milwaukee, St. Louis and Cincinnati)
 

shotgunDawg

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Sorry man, Toronto is the 4th largest market in Major League Baseball, as defined by MLB, is averaging almost 25,000 a game, and is owned by one of the largest companies in Canada, Rogers Communications. This gives them the financial flexibility to compete. They also are one of the best up and coming teams in baseball and their farm system is loaded with talent. The attendence will bounce back fully in a couple of years after they were bad for so long. Their current situation is similar to where Texas was 3 years ago.
 

shotgunDawg

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One problem is that Rogers Centre is one of the bigger stadiums in baseball at 50,000. Therefore, there can be a big crowd on hand, but the place looks empty because it is so big.
 

DAWG61

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shotgunDawg said:
One problem is that Rogers Centre is one of the bigger stadiums in baseball at 50,000. Therefore, there can be a big crowd on hand, but the place looks empty because it is so big.


if they have so much money why can't they fix that dump? Atleast put some decent looking turf in there.
 

cb6228

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That is a misleading stat as St Louis metropolitan area has 1.6 million more people than the memphis metropolitan area. St Louis is much much bigger than memphis. MLB is never leaving milwaukee with selig in charge. Basketball is king in KY.
 

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i like the way you talk. pdx finished 2nd to dc when the expos moved. i'm gonna be moving back to pdx next spring and the only thing the city is lacking for me is a mlb baseball team. a stadium in nw pdx along the willamette with a view of mt hood would be awesome. *retractable roof included for early season games<div>
</div><div>among the big 4 pro sports in america, pdx has the largest population per pro sports team.</div>
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="509" style="border-collapse:
collapse;width:382pt"><colgroup><col width="37" style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:1353;width:28pt"><col width="287" style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:10496;width:215pt"><col width="110" style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:4022;width:83pt"><col width="75" style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:2742;width:56pt"></col></col></col></col></colgroup><tbody><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" class="xl68" width="37" style="height:15.0pt;width:28pt;border-image: initial">Rank</td><td class="xl68" width="287" style="width:215pt">Metro Area</td><td class="xl68" width="110" style="width:83pt">State/Prov</td><td class="xl68" width="75" style="width:56pt">Population</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt;border-image: initial"><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">1</span></td><td class="xl67"><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">NY–NJ–PA</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">19,015,900</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">2</span></td><td class="xl67"><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">Los Angeles–Long Beach–Santa Ana</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">CA</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">12,944,801</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">3</span></td><td class="xl67"><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">Chicago–Joliet–Naperville</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">IL–IN–WI</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(0, 255, 255);">9,504,753</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">4</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">TX</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">6,526,548</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">5</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">TX</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">6,086,538</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">6</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">PA–NJ–DE–MD</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">5,992,414</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">7</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Washington–Arlington–Alexandria</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">DC–VA–MD–WV</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">5,703,948</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">8</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">FL</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">5,670,125</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" style="height:15.0pt"></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Toronto</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51); ">–Mississauga</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Ontario</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">5,583,064</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">9</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Marietta</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">GA</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">5,359,205</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">10</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Boston–Cambridge–Quincy</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">MA–NH</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">4,591,112</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(51, 255, 255);">11</span></td><td class="xl67"><span style="background-color: rgb(51, 255, 255);">San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(51, 255, 255);">CA</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(51, 255, 255);">4,391,037</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">12</td><td>Riverside–San Bernardino–Ontario</td><td>CA</td><td class="xl65" align="right">4,304,997</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">13</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Detroit–Warren–Livonia</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">MI</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">4,285,832</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">14</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Phoenix–Mesa–Glendale</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">AZ</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">4,262,236</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" style="height:15.0pt"></td><td>Montreal–Laval</td><td>Quebec</td><td class="xl65" align="right">3,824,221</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">15</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">WA</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">3,500,026</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">16</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">MN–WI</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">3,318,486</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">17</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">San Diego–Carlsbad–San Marcos</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">CA</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">3,140,069</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">18</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">FL</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">2,824,724</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">19</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">St. Louis</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">MO–IL</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">2,817,355</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">20</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Baltimore–Towson</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">MD</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">2,729,110</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">21</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Denver–Aurora–Broomfield</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">CO</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">2,599,504</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">22</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Pittsburgh</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">PA</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">2,359,746</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" style="height:15.0pt"></td><td>Vancouver–Surrey</td><td>British Columbia</td><td class="xl65" align="right">2,313,328</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">23</td><td>Portland–Vancouver–Hillsboro</td><td>OR–WA</td><td class="xl65" align="right">2,262,605</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">24</td><td>San Antonio–New Braunfels</td><td>TX</td><td class="xl65" align="right">2,194,927</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">25</td><td>Sacramento–Arden–Arcade–Roseville</td><td>CA</td><td class="xl65" align="right">2,176,235</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">26</td><td>Orlando–Kissimmee–Sanford</td><td>FL</td><td class="xl65" align="right">2,171,360</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">27</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Cincinnati-Middletown</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">OH-KY-IN</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">2,138,038</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">28</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">OH</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">2,068,283</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">29</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Kansas City</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">MO-KS</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">2,052,676</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">30</td><td>Las Vegas-Paradise</td><td>NV</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,969,975</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">31</td><td>San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara</td><td>CA</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,865,450</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">32</td><td>Columbus</td><td>OH</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,858,464</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">33</td><td>Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill</td><td>NC-SC</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,795,472</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">34</td><td>Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos</td><td>TX</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,783,519</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">35</td><td>Indianapolis-Carmel</td><td>IN</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,778,568</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">36</td><td>Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News</td><td>VA-NC</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,679,894</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">37</td><td>Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin</td><td>TN</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,617,142</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">38</td><td>Providence-New Bedford-Fall River</td><td>RI-MA</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,600,224</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">39</span></td><td class="xl66"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis</span></td><td><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">WI</span></td><td class="xl65" align="right"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">1,562,216</span></td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">40</td><td>Jacksonville</td><td>FL</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,360,251</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">41</td><td>Memphis</td><td>TN-MS-AR</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,325,605</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">42</td><td>Louisville/Jefferson County</td><td>KY-IN</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,294,849</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">43</td><td>Oklahoma City</td><td>OK</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,278,053</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">44</td><td>Richmond</td><td>VA</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,269,380</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" style="height:15.0pt"></td><td>Ottawa - Gatineau</td><td>Ontario/Quebec</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,236,324</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" style="height:15.0pt"></td><td>Calgary</td><td>Alberta</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,214,839</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">45</td><td>Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford</td><td>CT</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,213,255</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">46</td><td>New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner</td><td>LA</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,191,089</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">47</td><td>Raleigh-Cary</td><td>NC</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,163,515</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" style="height:15.0pt"></td><td>Edmonton</td><td>Alberta</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,159,869</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">48</td><td>Salt Lake City</td><td>UT</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,145,905</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">49</td><td>Buffalo-Niagara Falls</td><td>NY</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,134,039</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">50</td><td>Birmingham-Hoover</td><td>AL</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,132,264</td></tr><tr height="20" style="height:15.0pt"><td height="20" align="right" style="height:15.0pt">51</td><td>Rochester</td><td>NY</td><td class="xl65" align="right">1,055,278</td></tr></tbody></table>

<div>These are Metro area populations, not just city proper. Numbers are from 2010 Census and 2011 Canadian Census, all via Wikipedia.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: The American cities don't include people in the metro area across the border in Canada or Mexico. Detroit adds nearly 1.5 million people when you include Windsor and other nearly cities in Canada. El Paso balloons to around 2.3 million if you include Juarez, Mexico.</div>
 

Todd4State

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The MLS team (sad, I know) that moved there plays in their old ballpark- PGE park. And so, they had to build a new stadium by 2011. They couldn't agree to a site, and so the AAA team moved to Tucson as you said and then they will move to Escondido California.

There is a second group that is totally unrelated to the old AAA team that has long wanted baseball in Oregon. With an expansion team, they usually give them a couple of years to sort things out- like where to build a stadium which is their biggest issue, and start their farm system up and all of that.

They were going to have to build a new stadium anyway- I've seen the Beavers in action. (Insert comment here)

That stadium is actually built down in the ground and is ancient- Ted Williams played there at one time. Pretty cool experience. Got to see Carlos Silva get kicked out in the first inning and Jon Knott was on the Beavers team.