tOSU ascending?
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Nah. They're recruiting is sick. Haven't been able to go toe to toe with the elite though.
I don’t have time to worry about Ohio State Recruiting. I am focusing on Nebraska getting one 4 star recruit this cycle. Now back to the crystal balls and predictions. Winking
And the thing is there is no reason that NU can't recruit like that too. It is not like Cbus is some amazing city, I mean it has a lot of people but if that was a big recruiting draw than U of Chicago would still have a team and be kicking ***. The weather is lame, like most of the midwest, and as someone that grew up in the midwest, no one is ever like "Oh, well, Cbus is close to my home, so that is why I will go there" if anything people want to get the **** out.
they are already at clemson and Alabama’s level. Just need to win the playoffs more, but in every other metric they are right there. I’m not an OSU fan, but they should have won it in 2015 and in Urbana’s first year. 2015 was there best team.
Yes they have. They steamrolled Clemson in last year's playoff and they did beat Alabama in 2014 on their way to the NC. They just happened to run into probably Saban's best team ever last year and even Saban hinted that after their NC. OSU is absolutely loaded this year and I wouldn't be surprised to see them win it all. It all comes down to how their redshirt, 5-star QB performs early. The rest of the BIG is in for some tough times against OSU
The biggest point you made is that their new QB will have to perform well. You can only put 11 guys on the field at a time and sometimes it doesn't matter how talented your QB is if he sticks his head in a dark place at crucial times. Michigan has recruited extremely well too but they haven't solved their QB problems up to now and it has killed them. A QB who actually performs up to his rating on the field can be the difference between 5 wins and 14 wins.
OSU only pulls in 6 to 8 recruits from Ohio anymore. The rest of their classes are from national recruits.
And Columbus is the 2nd largest city in the Midwest - only behind Chicago. It's inner city population is around 950,000 with a surrounding area of 2.2 million. Not exactly a cow town. It's surrounding area has more people than the whole state of Nebraska. The recruits that they bring in absolutely love it as the campus is only about a 1.5 or 2 miles from downtown Columbus and a ton of things to do
I'm sorry, but this isn't another Scott Frost apology post, is it? You really think that OSU would win FIVE games if they got the wrong QB? I'm pretty sure that OSU has a stable of studs at QB. If one isn't hitting on all cylinders, they just try out another.
Columbus is already big and one of the fastest growing cities in the country. Tops in the Midwest. Was there a couple years ago. Traffic and road construction was insane. Reminded me of Austin size and traffic wise.
Columbus didn't have as many liberal douches as Austin.
I was talking about traffic. It is what it is.
Ohio State has been rock steady dominant for the last couple decades sans a Luke Fickell trial season, of course.
How steady?
Ohio State's posted an .846 or greater winning percentage 10 times since 2010.
Nebraska's done it 10 times since 1972.
Ohio State's finished ranked in the AP top-10 16 times in the last 19 years.
Nebraska's done that 16 times since 1979.
It'd be easy to argue that when Nebraska's been historically great they've been better than Ohio State when they've been at their best, but if Ohio State is still ascending it's almost unimaginable.
How steady?
Ohio State's posted an .846 or greater winning percentage 10 times since 2010.
Nebraska's done it 10 times since 1972.
Ohio State's finished ranked in the AP top-10 16 times in the last 19 years.
Nebraska's done that 16 times since 1979.
It'd be easy to argue that when Nebraska's been historically great they've been better than Ohio State when they've been at their best, but if Ohio State is still ascending it's almost unimaginable.
You mean like Bauserman? I understand your point and it is valid but even Fields had some struggles early in his career. Nebraska struggled to beat KU when both Berringer and Frazier were out with injuries. Recruiting highly ranked QBs increases the chance that they will perform well but if they don't, you can struggle regardless of how much talent you have elsewhere. Again, you can only put 11 guys on the field at a time.
I live in DFW and just LOVE the hill country just south of Austin. It makes it a ***** to get through Austin if you hit Rush hour. FML.
That being said, I love Austin. Stay that way. We need these kind of places. I don't want everybody to be the same.
Their recruiting class is insane. They are going to be giving up a bunch of very talented recruits to the transfer portal.
My point is that Amart is the best we've got. That is all on Frost. You do agree it's not defensible not to have a valid #2 (or #3)?
After their Spring practices, Ryan and OSU raved about the supposed starter - 5-star RS Freshman CJ Stroud - as did the national people who saw him in the camps and said he already has an NFL arm and throws. And here's the kicker, he faces stiff competition from true freshman, fellow 5-star Kyle McCord. Even Urban said recently that these next 2 to 3 OSU teams could be the most talented in a long time - even surpassing his teams on paper talent. The talent that Ryan Day and staff has amassed is off the charts. And QB is Day's NFL and college area of expertise which is why 2022 no. 1 overall recruit - QB Ewers out of Texas - has already committed to OSU.
One thing you can count on - both Lincoln Riley of OU and Ryan Day of OSU - will have explosive offenses and the QBs to run those offenses.
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So, does the success of tOSU destroy a couple of standard battle cries for recruiting failure?
1. Its a cold climate school. Recruits do not want to play in a cold weather school or conference.
2. There is too much talent on the team already so they can't come right in and play.
They are recruiting nationally and doing it extremely well. It can't all be because Columbus is such a wonderful city. Yes there is population in the area.
They are well coached, play for NC's and put players in the NFL. That is the ticket.
1. Its a cold climate school. Recruits do not want to play in a cold weather school or conference.
2. There is too much talent on the team already so they can't come right in and play.
They are recruiting nationally and doing it extremely well. It can't all be because Columbus is such a wonderful city. Yes there is population in the area.
They are well coached, play for NC's and put players in the NFL. That is the ticket.
All these “we can’t compete because…” excuses is just typical loser mentality that has become so prevalent in the world.
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Other than Texas, Florida and California and maybe Georgia, Ohio probably has more HS football talent than any other state. And if they are only taking 6-8 instate guys it shows they are recruiting nationally like Alabama. Great talent. But new QB and some D changes. Will be interesting to see how they do against Oregon which has a top notch D.
You know it has gotten bad when people are trying to pretend like Columbus is some destination city.
****, it is an hour or two just to hit up the other amazing destinations of Cincy and Cleveland.
That game will be telling. I think you hit the nail on the head - if you're going to beat OSU this year, it has to happen early in the year before their QB settles in. That OSU - Oregon game will be a blockbuster. Both of those teams have a ton of talent
Yeah, it's got nothing to do with the city or climate. Being well-coached and getting to the NFL is about all some of these five star and the top four star recruits care about. And there's always talk on draft day that NFL teams favor kids from top programs and the best conferences. Kids pay attention to that.
I looked at OSU's roster. They've got a lot of kids from Ohio of course, and being in a talent rich state has always been an advantage the Buckeyes have had. But they don't have a lot of other kids from the "Big 10 footprint". They really are doing a great job of snatching the best kids from all over the country. It looks like they focus mostly on Texas, St. Louis and New Jersey.
Or that you've somehow been wronged. That epitomizes the "loser mentality". Blame the coach. Blame the teacher. Blame your boss. Somebody cheated you.
But we keep seeing climate and location as the "reasons" we never have and never will attract too recruits. I don't buy it.
We have an NAIA team in our town. A good friend was an All American there many years ago and still.stays connected to the programs and speaks to them a lot. He constantly get frustrated with the players because they are continually talking about getting into the NBA, that is their sole goal.
If we don't think, for a second, that that isn't the goal of these kids we recruit, we better get a better handle on things.
Ohio State now has 5 of the top 10 overall players committed to them for 2022 - that is f'ing bonkers!
Recruiting is sales and you better have 1-2 "sleazy" dudes on staff that can sell. I don't mean that in a bad way either.
I'm impressed with Oregon....they didn't try and duck the OSU game (pun intended). There are programs out there that do those things.
With OSU breaking in a new RS freshman QB, Oregon could very well win that game as it's very early in the year - the time to play OSU. Oregon isn't exactly the sisters of the poor. Pretty sure both will be favorites to win their conference. The loser can still make it to playoffs if they run the table with just one loss
I agree. Nebraska has to get more guys drafted. These kids are looking at recent drafts and how many go in the top 2-3 rounds. Looking poorly coached with bad won-loss records, losing at home to teams like Minnesota that had 1/3 of their team out doesn't help. And we wonder why the top four in our own state didn't even consider NU?
The question is where to go from here? One thing that must change is we shouldn't be taking in any more physically and/or emotionally damaged four star recruits. I'd rather finish 40th with real prospects than top 25 thanks to bringing in a handful of overrated guys who will never play. It's a numbers game. And secondly, they've got to play well on Saturdays and stop beating themselves with stupid mistakes.
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Certainly the results on the field and the number of players drafted are key selling points for OSU's success. Another key component stressed during recruiting visits is how OSU can prepare a player for life after football. Meyer instituted a program "Real Life Wednesdays" where outside speakers, some former players, are brought in during the offseason to talk to players about a variety of issues they will have to deal with after their college football playing days are over. I have read many comments from recruits that were impressed with the emphasis of life after football. Is it the most factor in their committing? Probably not. But when the moms and dads are won over by the school's commitment to the player both on and off the field, it can't hurt in the recruiting process.
While that is a nice cliché, I personally don't think it is 100% accurate. There are schools that "win" and the recruits don't just flock to them. Okie State is a consistent "good" program, Boise State, K-State, even Texas. It is not just winning as a standard in my opinion, you have to have all the ingredients of winning BIG to get into the playoffs, put guys in the league and always be mentioned as being in the hunt.
I think we could be greatly disappointed that once the winning starts, the high level recruiting will lag behind and then of course, there is always the question what constitutes a high level of recruiting.