Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?

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I think it was don't panic if the reciever has a step on you because Allar generally throws late and you'll have time to recover. Something to that effect.
Close. They said that Knowles told OSU DBs not to panic if the WR broke open deep and to keep trying to recover because Allar tends to put too much air under his deep ball, allowing DBs to catch back up to the play.
 
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It was early in the 3rd quarter, iirc (bourbon). They were discussing Drew's struggles after his fast start in the first half. One of the announcers said that Knowles told him (paraphrasing) that he told OSU's dbs not to worry about separation on deep balls because they'd be able to regain position as his deep throws tend to have too much air.

I'm guessing this was said last season before or shortly after the game against OSU, but he didn't specify. I'm guessing throwing off of your back foot or from a more upright position would cause the ball to sail, as opposed to driving off your front foot. It does speak to how strong his arm is, though.

All that said, I think Drew is more than good enough, certainly better than me.
The context was that after being hired Knowles was asked by the PSU staff to tell them and Allar how he prepared his defense to play against PSU in prior seasons, and that's when he mentioned Allar putting too much air under deep balls. I'm sure there was a lot more discussed, but that's all that's been shared publicly to my knowledge.
 
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The context was that after being hired Knowles was asked by the PSU staff to tell them and Allar how he prepared his defense to play against PSU in prior seasons, and that's when he mentioned Allar putting too much air under deep balls. I'm sure there was a lot more discussed, but that's all that's been shared publicly to my knowledge.


Thank you. I definitely did not catch that it was after he was hired at PSU. Seems strange that he would tell a reporter that after coming here. I'd think they'd want to keep that in house and not point it out to a national mouthpiece.
 
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Outside of a few individuals, who do you expect to exceed Franklin? I wish he would win more big games but Joe wasn’t winning them either between 1995 and his retirement.
i am just a humble fan and not qualified to do a coaching search. It’s silly of you to even ask. As for Joe, who knew every last detail of his empire, he hung on way too long as kings often as kings often do. How many sussessful 80yo ceos do you see running around?

since our AD who is quoted “mediocre is not an option” gets paid $4mil per, perhaps he should do his job
 
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Edit. I see a problem with OCs jumping ship (seen with my Super Bowl champions Birds too) I’d prioritize the HC schemes and calls the O. Any disagreement here?

and while we’re chatting, pro bgj camps never tell me why they love him so much. So tell the rick, convince him why.
and I know change is hard, you’ll be ok buttercups
 

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i am just a humble fan and not qualified to do a coaching search. It’s silly of you to even ask. As for Joe, who knew every last detail of his empire, he hung on way too long as kings often as often do. How many sussessful 80yo ceos do you see running around?

since our AD who is quoted “mediocre is not an option” gets paid $4mil per, perhaps he should do his job
Again, I wish last year went differently vs ND and wish Franklin won more big games, but he has earned about as much success as possible here. Yes, he can and will win a natty, but the reality is that PA is not what it was for high school football in Joe’s heyday and the northeastern U.S. is not a hs football hotbed by any stretch. He also started here during the sanctions and Sandusky aftermath, spending years helping to repair our reputation. All said, he is doing very well.
 
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but he has earned about as much success as possible here

explain the ridiculous “as much as possible”. I guess if your kid is a dope, c and b work is just that.
 

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i am just a humble fan and not qualified to do a coaching search. It’s silly of you to even ask. As for Joe, who knew every last detail of his empire, he hung on way too long as kings often as kings often do. How many sussessful 80yo ceos do you see running around?

since our AD who is quoted “mediocre is not an option” gets paid $4mil per, perhaps he should do his job
In what possible universe is 13-3, 8-1 in conference and a final four appearance considered mediocre?
 

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In what possible universe is 13-3, 8-1 in conference and a final four appearance considered mediocre?
In the mind of WE DESERVE BETTER?
hahahahahaha
Next year the cry babies will have reason to weep.
 
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In what possible universe is 13-3, 8-1 in conference and a final four appearance considered mediocre?
Numbers are important but less important than “who” don’t be daft. big game losing to Notre dame should erase all the pride you have watching state crush Rutgers and md. It’s so confusie to me you all trade getting beat by big boys ALL THE TIME for beating knights 10 times in a row. Don’t even get me started on the 45-0 record v the 1 aa preseason fishes.
 

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Numbers are important but less important than “who” don’t be daft. big game losing to Notre dame should erase all the pride you have watching state crush Rutgers and md. It’s so confusie to me you all trade getting beat by big boys ALL THE TIME for beating knights 10 times in a row. Don’t even get me started on the 45-0 record v the 1 aa preseason fishes.
Blue chip ratio #10
NIL #11
HC salary #17
Overall football facilities rated >#15
BWICAC "We're deserve better." Hahahahahaha
 
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Edit. I see a problem with OCs jumping ship (seen with my Super Bowl champions Birds too) I’d prioritize the HC schemes and calls the O. Any disagreement here?

and while we’re chatting, pro bgj camps never tell me why they love him so much. So tell the rick, convince him why.
and I know change is hard, you’ll be ok buttercups
CJF may not be in the very top, but he he much closer to the very top than he is the middle (or mediocre).

I know you like to compare his record vs. the "big 2" so... Since 2014:
OSU has lost 9 big ten conference games. 4 vs mich and one each vs MSU, PSU, iowa, Pur, and Ore. Six Big Ten teams have beat OSU, durring that time. CJF was coach of one of them. Nine conference games were played every year, except 2020 when 6 were played. 96 games played, OSU lost 9, one vs PSU. 12 current B1G teams have not beat OSU since 2014 (4 teams were added in 2024, so 8 historical teams). You could be 1 of 1 (Michigan), 1 of 5 (others teams that beat OSU), or 1 of 12 (or 8), that never won, you choose?

Mich has not been as dominant as OSU since 2014, but has still only lost 26 conference games, playing 96 games. 12 teams are responsible for these losses, PSU being one of them (3 times). Only MSU (5) and OSU (6) have beaten Mich more than 3 times over that time period. Wiscy also has 3 wins vs. Mich.

Since 2014 only 4 Big Ten teams have a win vs both of the "big 2". MSU, iowa, Ore, and Penn State.

MSU has a total of 6 wins vs "big 2", PSU has 4 wins and no other team has that many wins or more.

That is rare company. CJF is a very good coach.
 
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But Mich has not been as dominant but won a natty. How can you forget it was just 3 years ago

who won last year? (OSU)

for the record son1, who’s been to a ton of big games including usc over State (2016) the big championship win in Indy etc agrees with Marshall, “everything is fine as is”
it’s like I don’t even know him

change is scary
 
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MSU has a total of 6 wins vs "big 2", PSU has 4 wins and no other team has that many wins or more.


so now msu is the bar (keeps getting lower yo)
 
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CJF is a very good coach who can’t beat the best. Making him “mediocre”, pedestrian even
If you think mediocre is being the second best, then... go find a dictionary.
mediocre: of a moderate or low degree of excellence.

Larisa Latynina was a mediocre Olympian. She only won 18 Olympic medals and Phelps won 28. Do I have this right?
 
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CJF may not be in the very top, but he he much closer to the very top than he is the middle (or mediocre).

I know you like to compare his record vs. the "big 2" so... Since 2014:
OSU has lost 9 big ten conference games. 4 vs mich and one each vs MSU, PSU, iowa, Pur, and Ore. Six Big Ten teams have beat OSU, durring that time. CJF was coach of one of them. Nine conference games were played every year, except 2020 when 6 were played. 96 games played, OSU lost 9, one vs PSU. 12 current B1G teams have not beat OSU since 2014 (4 teams were added in 2024, so 8 historical teams). You could be 1 of 1 (Michigan), 1 of 5 (others teams that beat OSU), or 1 of 12 (or 8), that never won, you choose?

Mich has not been as dominant as OSU since 2014, but has still only lost 26 conference games, playing 96 games. 12 teams are responsible for these losses, PSU being one of them (3 times). Only MSU (5) and OSU (6) have beaten Mich more than 3 times over that time period. Wiscy also has 3 wins vs. Mich.

Since 2014 only 4 Big Ten teams have a win vs both of the "big 2". MSU, iowa, Ore, and Penn State.

MSU has a total of 6 wins vs "big 2", PSU has 4 wins and no other team has that many wins or more.

That is rare company. CJF is a very good coach.
Tallest midget in these big games, is that what you are trying to say?
 

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MSU has a total of 6 wins vs "big 2", PSU has 4 wins and no other team has that many wins or more.


so now msu is the bar (keeps getting lower yo)
You set the bar high. I set it low. There is one team between us... MSU.
So CJF teams lost 3 fewer games than he should have. He should be replaced. He probably should have beat OSU 2 more times and Mich one more, at least, but that doesn't make him mediocre.
 

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Tallest midget in these big games, is that what you are trying to say?
If one could control their height that might make sense...

Or is he the second tallest giant?

He is top 2 of all the other coaches in the league vs "big 2". That is in no way mediocre.
 
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You set the bar high. I set it low. There is one team between us... MSU.
So CJF teams lost 3 fewer games than he should have. He should be replaced. He probably should have beat OSU 2 more times and Mich one more, at least, but that doesn't make him mediocre.
UNCLE. You boys who love State with your whole hearts wore me out. I guess nothing can knock the blue off the rose, even a scandal or 2-21 whatevs
and I get it, I feel the same way about my Super Bowl champions Philadelphia eagles and fightins
 
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If you think mediocre is being the second best, then... go find a dictionary.
mediocre: of a moderate or low degree of excellence.

Larisa Latynina was a mediocre Olympian. She only won 18 Olympic medals and Phelps won 28. Do I have this right?
Mediocre is going 1-13 v OSU and watching um do what we can’t Franklin has proven he’s not good enough. Beat blue hens just don’t mean anything.
 
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