Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?

MacNit

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Hack going into double OT against possibly the best team in the country…I seriously doubt it.
Hack was a phenomenal athlete.

And actually won some games against teams with better talent, full quotients of scholarships.
 

Ludd

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Hack was a phenomenal athlete.

And actually won some games against teams with better talent, full quotients of scholarships.
No he wasn’t and no he didn’t. He had one phenomenal receiver that Allar never had.
 

WaffleShopper

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I feel bad for Drew. I watched a lot of college football the past couple weeks and paid special attention to the QBs and how they react to pressure situations like third downs or crowd noise or close games. Most of them look poised and calm. In those situations Drew is wide-eyed and panicky, just like his coach.

This is an exaggeration, cruel, and a little unfair, but I watch him play and think of the Crash Davis quote in Major League: “He’s got a million dollar arm and a five cent head.”
 

2kSay

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He’s just too inconsistent against good teams. It’s from throw to throw too. And unfortunately lately he’s had more inaccurate and bad decision throws than good ones.
 

LMTLION

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No he wasn’t and no he didn’t. He had one phenomenal receiver that Allar never had.
Allar had an all-world TE last year and 2 very strong wr’s this year. Allar also had a wr in 2023 who went on to have a great season elsewhere in 2024 with a better qb to get him the ball.
 
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MacNit

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Oh good lord. How did that elite talent work out in the NFL?
Not well. Those first two years at PSU were magical. But trying to fit a square peg into a round hole seemed to unwind all of that potential.

What magical playing has Drew delivered…he has only a few games left and probably only or or two more games to get his first.
 

dcf4psu

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Both. Allar has been a complete bust as a big-time QB.
If he had competent wide receivers who could run big time college football routes he'd be fine. The receivers cannot get open again this year.
 

Calabrin

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We’ll run the ball, but we ran for 300 yards on them last year and still lost. Just need a B+ game from Drew and we win.
Less than that.

The offense just had to show up for ONE more quarter and the game never goes to overtime.

They played 25% of the game and nearly won.
 
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MacNit

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If he had competent wide receivers who could run big time college football routes he'd be fine. The receivers cannot get open again this year.
Not sure it would cure his “deer in headlights” but you are correct about the receivers. Middling slot receivers a - all 3 of the Xfer portals.
 

Alphabets

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Gimme a T! Gimme an E! Gimme an R! Gimme another R! Well, you get it. He's terrible.
 

Big_O

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After watching Allar play so far this year, he would be lucky to get drafted as high as Sanders was last year. Other than having a strong arm, he doesn’t have anything else you need in a QB.
 
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Moogy

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Another pathetic strawman. Take another dose of copium, lad.
While I'm sure MacNit, lakavoisey and bdgan appreciate your support, I'm sure they can fight their own battles and don't need you jumping in to lie on their behalf.
 

Moogy

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This is true, but you know what he means.

For this single season, the playoff game is obviously more important. But for the overall direction if the program, given all the factors, beating OSU could be the single most impactful thing that could happen.
I know what he means. My post still stands. His is an embarrassing take.
 

KingLando

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Allar had an all-world TE last year and 2 very strong wr’s this year. Allar also had a wr in 2023 who went on to have a great season elsewhere in 2024 with a better qb to get him the ball.
Who are these great WRs? In different schemes WRs are going to put up different numbers. Like yesterday when Wallace played a team with a pulse he was invisible. It's not the QB it's the scheme.
 
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KingLando

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After watching Allar play so far this year, he would be lucky to get drafted as high as Sanders was last year. Other than having a strong arm, he doesn’t have anything else you need in a QB.
So Nussmeier and Arch also won't be drafted high? If you think any scout is watching film of Drew running this gimmick offense and not seeing what he can do when we run pro style plays (see the long TD or the beautiful 16 yard pass to Dinkins when he held the safety off with his eyes) then I don't know what to day. That said Allar not entering the portal last year when he didn't enter the draft was one of the worst decisions a QB has ever made.
 

4theglory54

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"We're gonna throw the kitchen sink at them tomorrow..."
I dislike gimmicky offense. Spend the off week polishing execution of sound football plays and getting everyone mentally and physically on the same page. It's dam frustrating watching players looking clumsy trying to execute gimmicky stuff.
 
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LMTLION

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If he had competent wide receivers who could run big time college football routes he'd be fine. The receivers cannot get open again this year.
I no longer blame the wrs. They were open last night. We do not have a qb to get them the ball.
 

LMTLION

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"We're gonna throw the kitchen sink at them tomorrow..."
I dislike gimmicky offense. Spend the off week polishing execution of sound football plays and getting everyone mentally and physically on the same page. It's dam frustrating watching players looking clumsy trying to execute gimmicky stuff.
I want to know the purpose of the wildcat. It does not fool anyone. It is a wasted play that essentially creates 10 on 11. It is dumb.
 

CBusLion10

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It's not though--getting the best players is about paying them and proving you develop guys. Recruits aren't going somewhere else if we lose tonight. That's something fans care about and they pretend recruits do. It's all about "can you get me to the next level"

Ohio State can't beat Michigan right now and just won a title.
And if you never beat your rivals, you are not recruiting and coaching and developing as well as other programs. If you don't develop as well as your rivals, you're less appealing to those with NFL aspirations. And it's become a theme, recruits are aware, and other schools are absolutely using it against Penn State in recruiting.

Winning and losing matters. Rivalry games against top opponents are huge opportunities, and all of them lost as of late. Pretending that losing those games doesn't matter to the overall health of the program is ridiculous.
 

BillDiehlNorstar

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Oh, McAfee said so?!? Why didn't you say so in the first place?! Well that changes ... absolutely nothing. I obviously don't know what McAfee actually and exactly said, and in what context, but it also doesn't matter at all. He's a goofy entertainer.

Everyone's goal is to win a Natty when the season starts. Playoff games are the only way to do that. Ergo, playoff games are always bigger games than regular season games (unless, perhaps a regular season game directly and irrevocably changes the "yes" or "no" question of "will we make the playoffs?"
100% agree…he’s the obnoxious juvenile caricature that a certain demographic need…but don’t confuse that with knowing sh#%
 
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Winning and losing matters. Rivalry games against top opponents are huge opportunities, and all of them lost as of late. Pretending that losing those games doesn't matter to the overall health of the program is ridiculous.

this. I’ll add the coaches are not making the players better. Is 15 better (no)
 
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KingLando

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And if you never beat your rivals, you are not recruiting and coaching and developing as well as other programs. If you don't develop as well as your rivals, you're less appealing to those with NFL aspirations. And it's become a theme, recruits are aware, and other schools are absolutely using it against Penn State in recruiting.

Winning and losing matters. Rivalry games against top opponents are huge opportunities, and all of them lost as of late. Pretending that losing those games doesn't matter to the overall health of the program is ridiculous.
When I say "develop" i mean--get them to the league--which we're doing very well. Losing to Oregon doesn't change that.
How does Ohio State get anyone when they can't beat Michigan?