Towles on KSR

[fuzz77]

Read the transcript and listened to the football podcast with Jared Lorenzen stating that Towles had decided long before the season ended.

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The JLo said on the podcast that he decided after Drew was named the starter....which was the next to last game of the season, not "long before the season ended".

Regardless, lots of fans made it known that they weren't happy with Pat's play and wanted someone else. He's giving them what they wanted and now you want to crucify him for doing so?

 

[Chuckinden]

Care to expound upon this?

He's already tried and nobody can still understand him. Very encrypted.....

 

[fuzz77]

Yeah, does piss me off that a QB checked out before the season was over and was still taking reps from other team members. Does piss me off to sit through all those games in the stands and know that I want to be there more than one or many of the players.

Deciding to transfer <> "checked out" regardless of when the decision was made to do so. I certainly didn't see any drop off in effort given.
Could anyone blame PT if he didn't feel appreciated? How many threads on this board, how many twitter comments and other social media comments were made by people bitching about the kid? They didn't like his hair... Would you want to subject your son to that onslaught?

 

[Saguaro Cat]

This helps explain my effu conversation I encountered at Nutter,if that much dysfunction had been going on for a while! His "scoop" remark must been his confusion with thinking I was a KSR employee,since I had previously had called the uk staff member,Nick Roush! Good luck to the employees at Nutter,their going to need lots of it!

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[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

I think dude is posting on house of Blues and getting his threads mixed up

 

[TeoJ]

they're

Good solid spelling police come back that has nothing to do with conversation.

 

[Kats23]

Not a Towels fan but I'm sure he saw the writing on the wall as the season went on and he probably started thinking about it around Vandy and decided it once he realized Barker was going to be the guy next year. Also, if any of the lockeroom divide is true, then it makes perfect sense why Patrick would and should transfer. I don't believe he ever seriously considered transferring before the switch was made

 

[UK till Death]

He will look good against cupcakes next year. I'm not sure if that will help his NFL hopes, such as they are, very much.

Doesn't have it between the ears to play in the NFL.

Way too inaccurate as well.

 

[HSLex]

Why doesn't he think he could work out and get better during the off-season and come back to practice next year and win the starting position again?

He won a supposedly fair competition this year, why not just go out there and win it again?

If he had not been pulled he would be coming back, right?

 

[kypecos]

Seem to recall that Patrick considered transferring a while back and the coaching staff reassured and convinced him (and his family) that he should stay. He still gave 100% at the time and gave 100% this year. He is incapable of doing anything less. One may criticize his performance at times but would be completely off base to criticize his effort. The coaches put the writing on the wall by pulling him and starting Barker; Patrick had no choice if he wanted to play anymore (other than as a backup). Have no problem with him transferring and wish him the best. He has always been a class act.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Regardless, lots of fans made it known that they weren't happy with Pat's play and wanted someone else. He's giving them what they wanted and now you want to crucify him for doing so?

Most didnt want someone else. We just wanted him to play better. He has so much potential, if he could play to even 50% of that, we would have won 2 maybe 3 more games.

 

[shutzhund]

Barker and Towles, two pro style, pocket passers, favoring vertical routes on a team whose surrounding cast is spectacularly unsuited for supporting that type quarterback.

Barker's career will mirror Towles unless the roster begins to favor that style or there's a change in qb type recruiting and offensive philosophy.

A dual threat qb who will run without it being in order to save his life and limbs is the type that we haven't defended successfully against for decades. Just s thought.

The term "air raid" has become as nauseating and misleading as "true fan" was and still is.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Barker and Towles, two pro style, pocket passers, favoring vertical routes on a team whose surrounding cast is spectacularly unsuited for supporting that type quarterback.

Barker's career will mirror Towles unless the roster begins to favor that style or there's a change in qb type recruiting and offensive philosophy.

A dual threat qb who will run without it being in order to save his life and limbs is the type that we haven't defended successfully against for decades. Just s thought.

The term "air raid" has become as nauseating and misleading as "true fan" was and still is.

Barker ran read option in high school, and may like the shorter routes more than Towles. Towles ran more in high school as well, but as you said liked the more vertical passing game.

Not sure the 2 are very similar in style...but that doesn't mean Barker will succeed in this style...do think he has more of a chance to though.

 

[whhs22]

sorry I seen PT make pro type throws. he has the ability to be a really good QB and even a guy who gets paid to stand around on Sunday's.

in my mind he was not developed or given the mental guidance to get to that next level. I seen a young man start on one level and end below from we're he started. that's coaching period.

PT seemed to be lacking confidence and he was unsure. at the most important position on the field you can't have that combination. but some of you blame PT when his support system he turned to on the sidelines we're just as confused and lost as he was. so why do you think PT would of played or produced any better then the coaches giving him the direction and leadership?

 

[Levibooty]

sorry I seen PT make pro type throws. he has the ability to be a really good QB and even a guy who gets paid to stand around on Sunday's.

in my mind he was not developed or given the mental guidance to get to that next level. I seen a young man start on one level and end below from we're he started. that's coaching period.

PT seemed to be lacking confidence and he was unsure. at the most important position on the field you can't have that combination. but some of you blame PT when his support system he turned to on the sidelines we're just as confused and lost as he was. so why do you think PT would of played or produced any better then the coaches giving him the direction and leadership?

I don't disagree with this and think that was revealed when Dawson said you can't teach a QB to throw more accurately. That was a huge red flag for me.

 

[JABJRS]

I don't disagree with this and think that was revealed when Dawson said you can't teach a QB to throw more accurately. That was a huge red flag for me.

You CAN'T "teach" a QB to throw more accurately. Accuracy is like being tall or having red hair......your born with it, it's there or it isn't.

Oh sure, one might make some slight improvement through improved footwork or a tweak to mechanics; even then though when I hear about a particular QB working on things like that it is a red flag for me that said QB is not naturally accurate, and never will be.

Patrick Towles has ALL the tools except accuracy.....and he's not going to magically "learn" it as a 22 year old 5th year Sr. Jury is still out on Drew Barker IMO.

 

[Burly]

He will look good if like all successful Non running QBs if he has a oline with a running game. No QB would have looked good behind our line and with our receivers.

 

[suchy500]

Putting pressure on the QB decreases accuracy. Nuff said.

 

[WildCard]

You CAN'T "teach" a QB to throw more accurately. Accuracy is like being tall or having red hair......your born with it, it's there or it isn't.

Oh sure, one might make some slight improvement through improved footwork or a tweak to mechanics; even then though when I hear about a particular QB working on things like that it is a red flag for me that said QB is not naturally accurate, and never will be.

Patrick Towles has ALL the tools except accuracy.....and he's not going to magically "learn" it as a 22 year old 5th year Sr. Jury is still out on Drew Barker IMO.

Totally agree about accuracy; it cannot be "taught". I will add that "catching" is somewhat similar trait. That is to say it is mainly an innate eye-hand coordination thing and while you can work on all kinds of "catching techniques" you cannot do much to improve eye hand coordination.

Peace

 

[UK till Death]

sorry I seen PT make pro type throws. he has the ability to be a really good QB and even a guy who gets paid to stand around on Sunday's.

in my mind he was not developed or given the mental guidance to get to that next level. I seen a young man start on one level and end below from we're he started. that's coaching period.

PT seemed to be lacking confidence and he was unsure. at the most important position on the field you can't have that combination. but some of you blame PT when his support system he turned to on the sidelines we're just as confused and lost as he was. so why do you think PT would of played or produced any better then the coaches giving him the direction and leadership?

You seen it, huh?

 

[Levibooty]

You CAN'T "teach" a QB to throw more accurately. Accuracy is like being tall or having red hair......your born with it, it's there or it isn't.

Oh sure, one might make some slight improvement through improved footwork or a tweak to mechanics; even then though when I hear about a particular QB working on things like that it is a red flag for me that said QB is not naturally accurate, and never will be.

Patrick Towles has ALL the tools except accuracy.....and he's not going to magically "learn" it as a 22 year old 5th year Sr. Jury is still out on Drew Barker IMO.

BS

 

[shutzhund]

He made the right decision. Hope it works out for him.

 

[kxtop]

Brohm knows the history of Kentucky football, why would he want to coach at this deep dark hole. He will likely have opportunities at succeeding a coach at a winning program. Brohm should be a hot property next season.

 

[Levibooty]

I want to see if Stoops can improve next year as a head coach.

 

[JABJRS]

BS

Your just wrong, anyone who's ever played (or coached) an offensive down knows this.

 

[JABJRS]

Totally agree about accuracy; it cannot be "taught". I will add that "catching" is somewhat similar trait. That is to say it is mainly an innate eye-hand coordination thing and while you can work on all kinds of "catching techniques" you cannot do much to improve eye hand coordination.

Peace

Absolutely.

 

[Levibooty]

Your just wrong, anyone who's ever played (or coached) an offensive down knows this.

Well you probably know more than Bill Walsh:

 

[UK90]

The term "air raid" has become as nauseating and misleading as "true fan" was and still is.

This. I believe UK fans are the only ones in the entire football world that still use the "air raid" term (it's like our heads are stuck in the 90s) and it's become a pet peeve of mine.

There's nothing any more air-raidish about our system than what virtually everyone else now runs. And there's nothing particularly distinctive or different about that system any more, the spread principles that used to be called AR back in the 90s have been incorporated into nearly everybody's offense nowadays. So can we please stop using that term?

 

[WildCard]

This. I believe UK fans are the only ones in the entire football world that still use the "air raid" term (it's like our heads are stuck in the 90s) and it's become a pet peeve of mine.

There's nothing any more air-raidish about our system than what virtually everyone else now runs. And there's nothing particularly distinctive or different about that system any more, the spread principles that used to be called AR back in the 90s have been incorporated into nearly everybody's offense nowadays. So can we please stop using that term?

I missed shutzhund's earlier post but agree 100% with both of you regarding "Air Raid". Except in historical context, (e.g., "Gosh, I miss Mumme's old Air Raid") the term should not be used.

Except for Mike Leach and (maybe) a handful of others Air Raid has been grounded. There were exactly 10 teams that threw 40 or more times per game this year and WSU's 57 passes per game (#1 in this category) were 10 more than #2 Texas Tech (47 APG).

Peace

 

[Mr Schwump]

This. I believe UK fans are the only ones in the entire football world that still use the "air raid" term (it's like our heads are stuck in the 90s) and it's become a pet peeve of mine.

There's nothing any more air-raidish about our system than what virtually everyone else now runs. And there's nothing particularly distinctive or different about that system any more, the spread principles that used to be called AR back in the 90s have been incorporated into nearly everybody's offense nowadays. So can we please stop using that term?

I'm with you on this and what so many people conveniently forget was by the end of Mumme Year Two SEC DCs had gutted the concept. The Ds adjusted, Mumme didn't.

 

[murpack]

He's already tried and nobody can still understand him. Very encrypted.....

Got to talk to one of the younger players over Thanksgiving. There was evidently a lot dissension in the locker room. Not to get into specifics too much, but things like players not showing up for meetings, dissing the coaches, blaming others for missed plays, stuff like that. There must have been a terrible rift between the newcomers and the Joker holdovers. I was in PT's corner until last week. I more optimistic things will improve now he is gone.

 

[murpack]

He's already tried and nobody can still understand him. Very encrypted.....

Got to talk to one of the younger players over Thanksgiving. There was evidently a lot dissension in the locker room. Not to get into specifics too much, but things like players not showing up for meetings, dissing the coaches, blaming others for missed plays, stuff like that. There must have been a terrible rift between the newcomers and the Joker holdovers. I was in PT's corner until last week. I am more optimistic things will improve now he is gone.