Trigger Warning!!! This is a Politi article!!
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Wish Politi would enter the portal and go away. Paywalled. Hope nobody pays for that crap paper and they go under. Plenty of better options out there without the crappy drama queen routine.
hey a negative article from the UNC grad!
IDK how people get it for free, but I can't be bothered about reading bird cage liner material.
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Your a broken record we get it your tighter than a drum. Article is fair last QB we developed was Teel and that was a long time ago.
I listened to the podcast on my way home from work yesterday. Politi basically was assigning blame to our coaches for not developing him. Francesca, to his credit, pointed to some of the point blank misfires under zero pressure (he game the running back slot incompletion from the spring game as an example) and argued that he didnt think inaccuracy and inability to make reads and adjustments were necessarily teachable skills.
To me, Brian’s point is a good one and where I see AK being a very big upgrade for us. AK is very reliable in the pass game when protection holds up well. You can see this in both the spring game as well as his Minny film. If the design play is well covered, he’s consistently able to adjust and find something else - caveat being, when a defender isn’t running at him. He’s not great (average at best) when the play breaks down if he’s pressured (even modestly - as in defender running at him but not there yet). Not always, but at times he panics and throws the ball into harms way. Gavin does this less. But he’s basically programmed to run the design play or throw the ball away under pressure - he’s shown very little ability even when unguarded to complete unscripted bunnies. And his ball placement is extremely poor except when a dart with a ton of zip is called for on a design play into space (see his first throw ever as a frosh). People see those throws and see massive upside potential but it’s likely fools gold because of his shortcomings in so many other areas of pass play.
To me, Brian’s point is a good one and where I see AK being a very big upgrade for us. AK is very reliable in the pass game when protection holds up well. You can see this in both the spring game as well as his Minny film. If the design play is well covered, he’s consistently able to adjust and find something else - caveat being, when a defender isn’t running at him. He’s not great (average at best) when the play breaks down if he’s pressured (even modestly - as in defender running at him but not there yet). Not always, but at times he panics and throws the ball into harms way. Gavin does this less. But he’s basically programmed to run the design play or throw the ball away under pressure - he’s shown very little ability even when unguarded to complete unscripted bunnies. And his ball placement is extremely poor except when a dart with a ton of zip is called for on a design play into space (see his first throw ever as a frosh). People see those throws and see massive upside potential but it’s likely fools gold because of his shortcomings in so many other areas of pass play.
I attribute Gavin’s situation, as well as others, more to the inability to effectively recruit the position rather than the inability to develop.
I’ve always said that Rutgers (in basketball too) gets either; guys with great measurables who are not skilled at their sport (ex. Cliff, Art, Gavin) or; guys that are good FB/BB players with unimpressive measurables (Ex. Ryan Hart comes to mind).
Guys with both are 5 stars who go to the blue bloods.
The fact that Gavin was available to us with the measurables he had should have been a red flag. If he had any quality suitors he no doubt would never have come to Rutgers.
I’ve always said that Rutgers (in basketball too) gets either; guys with great measurables who are not skilled at their sport (ex. Cliff, Art, Gavin) or; guys that are good FB/BB players with unimpressive measurables (Ex. Ryan Hart comes to mind).
Guys with both are 5 stars who go to the blue bloods.
The fact that Gavin was available to us with the measurables he had should have been a red flag. If he had any quality suitors he no doubt would never have come to Rutgers.
He had quality suitors. It was definitely a recruiting win. But sometimes kids don't pan out. No "development" could make me, or Gavin, an accurate passer.
Did he? I may have forgotten..
I guess the question is, were any of them “commitable” offers?
The premise was off. Here is the key paragraph:
"Maybe Wimsatt would never have the processing speed and accuracy to succeed at this level, but with more offensive coordinators (three) than high-caliber receivers (zero) during his time in New Jersey, Schiano and his staff also shoulder plenty of blame for their inability to get the most out of him as a passer."
I mean, GW lost the job in practice to another QB who was playing with same deck of cards as Wimsatt. GW just wasn't that good and no magical "development" was going to make him good.
The article would have been fine if it was talking about Rutgers failure to field a quality QB. But by placing the blame on the program's player development instead of recruiting and a certain amount of luck, Politi is seems to be inventing a scenario that's not supported by any evidence.
I'm pretty sure they were. In particular there was a heated battle with Kentucky right up to the end. QB is probably the hardest position to project out of high school. That's why the blue bloods stack the 4-5 star QB recruits up.
Franscesca a typo? Because if it was actually Francesca, it may be the first thing he said that I would listen to. Di you mean Fonseca?
As always, Politi is behaving like a look at me, look at me clown and troll.
Yes - typo. The Brian dude. The other guys on the podcast put Steve in his place on this podcast.
You can't develop QBs anymore than you can develop a pitcher. You can either do it or you can't
I’ll also add here that the Rant podcast is consistent with what Richie’s been saying. The Beat guys who attended practice all agree AK beat out Gavin over the course of spring. In this case, it’s actually interesting and informative to listen both podcasts because the messaging and points made are so similar really about everything relating to the QB battle.
Thought it was a fairly balanced take on a program that has not shown they can manage and develop QB talent.
Indeed, when you have a QB for the 127th ranked passing team its a blessing to acquire the QB from the 126 ranked passing team (who had an ALL B1G WR). We rollin now
Its true. RU cant develop a red zone in 20 years and QB is part of that. Schiano said that last year the OL couldn't really block for long passes and Kirk schemed away from them. So that's a big chunk of playbook right there. Then you have a top ranked DUAL threat QB and dont let him run much because you are a PRO set guy who fears turnovers. According to Kirk Ciarrocca the third year of QB "development" was supposed to be the "year of mastery." So much for that. I'm sure Glacier Greg loved the idea of taking three years to grow a QB.
Marginal improvement is still improvement!!!Indeed, when you have a QB for the 127th ranked passing team its a blessing to acquire the QB from the 126 ranked passing team (who had an ALL B1G WR). We rollin now
It’s his opinion like you have yours and I have mine. Difference is everyone has access to his opinion because he is a real journalist. Like him or not people read his articles or he would not have a job. His article is fair in my opinion.
Fantastic take. Now do a bunch of other teams.
Michigan has produced how many NFL-caliber QBs in the last 20 years? -Let's see if McCarthy pans out.
Penn State?
Maryland- one in Taulia.
Did they not see his significant accuracy issues or did they think they were fixable ?
You are right that I'm stating my opinion that I think his opinion is incorrect. I like Politi generally. Big fan of the Rant in particular. But I think he's off on this premise. As you say, just my opinion.
FYI - Not all articles. I have the app and this one is labelled with the "Subscriber" tag. I'm unable to read all of it.
Complete mismanagement by Schiano and staff. I can’t tell you how many posted KC on how it takes 3 years for a college QB to develop and learn a system. We gave Gavin 3 OC two unproven and zero WR help. Your own coaches let you know it was mishandled by their own comments.
I don’t think Gavin should be the starter by GS doing Schiano things didn’t help him.
Indeed, when you have a QB for the 127th ranked passing team its a blessing to acquire the QB from the 126 ranked passing team (who had an ALL B1G WR). We rollin now
Listen to both podcasts. The pass ratings of last years’ teams aren’t all that relevant to the overall points being made. The points being made are as follows:
1) Beat guys from multiple media shops attended and watched our spring practices. They all say the same thing. AK clearly outperformed.
2) AK does the simple things well as long as he’s not pressured. This alone is a substantial upgrade (you can take those aggregate stats and toss them aside because they disregard the fact that we hardly attempted any bunny short routes because Gavin couldn’t execute them period). A QB with a short game opens things up a lot.
3) Ball placement for potential yards after catch - another big upgrade.
4) AK isn’t a statute and is actually an underrated scrambler.
5) noted trade off - potential to put the ball in harms way more often when pressured (Gavin would throw the ball away almost robotically when the design play fell apart).
Looking at 5 - you can see the other way, that stats don’t necessarily tell the whole story story. Gavin only had one less pick than AK last year and AK didn’t play any door mats like Wagner and Temple. The two G5 teams they faced played in bowl games.
Greg was asked about the QB contest and he said that there was nothing major to report because the spring game was just an exhibition for the fans, and there were only a couple weeks of practices.
K's plays that I saw- he had zero pressure and all day to make basic throws. GW on the other had had three catchable passes in a row dropped after hitting receivers in the hands/chest.
GW ran for two TDs and passed for one. Greek passed for two. The parts about GW getting blown away in spring exhibition game are malarkey.
Last year RU couldn't pass long (no blocking for it GS said) and the WR corp was substantially worse than RU's BE days. Eli Manning was a terrible short passer and had tons of INTs and misses because of it. His passes sailed all the time and his short passes sucked from his first year. The loss of his viable OLs made him have to throw short again and he was bad again.
"In 2013, Eli Manning had the sixth-lowest completion percentage among 37 qualifying quarterbacks. And after factoring in and/or ruling out a slew of additional metrics, Pro Football Focus (subscription required) actually concluded that the two-time Super Bowl MVP was the least accurate qualifying passer in the NFL."
Bleacher Report
"At the root of the quarterback problem in New York is a distinct stylistic difference between Manning’s strengths and Head Coach Ben McAdoo’s offense. Manning simply isn’t an accurate enough passer at the underneath level to execute it efficiently...It is the crux of the problem for the Giants offense. The core tenet the passing game is built around, their quarterback can’t execute. All the other issues are just window dressing … really ugly window dressing."
In fairness, we’re not talking about NFL caliber QB play at Rutgers.
Were merely talking about competent QB play, where the QB isn’t an impediment to winning games.
Politi takes far too much abuse here IMO.
He’s actually hilarious on the podcast, and in my opinion, very fair to Rutgers.
And I don’t share the opinion that he wants to see Rutgers fail- quite the opposite.
Please stop with the constant “Greek” references.
Is it possible for you not to act like an @$$?
Minn also suffered from a lame offense that traced back to KC days.
October 2023:
Gophers' passing struggles are especially aggravating for their fans
"If you pore over the NCAA football statistics, it doesn't take long to see the issue. Among the 133 teams playing at the FBS level, the Gophers rank near the bottom in several passing categories. They're 130th in passing yards per game (132.8), 123rd in passing attempts per game (23.0), 128th in quarterback rating (107.79), 123rd in yards per attempt (5.8) and 117th in completion percentage (.551).
It would be easy to say quarterback Athan Kaliakmanis has struggled, but the trend goes back to when Tanner Morgan was the starter, too. The Gophers ranked 116th in passing yards per game last year and 118th in 2021. They were 126th in attempts per game last year and 127th in 2021. And their touchdown pass totals have ranked 103rd this year, 113th in 2022 and 106th in 2021....
The Gophers endured a tough night against Michigan, and none more than Kaliakmanis. The QB completed only five of 15 passes for 52 yards with no second-half completions and two interceptions returned for TDs against a rugged defense. "
In Sept. fans will still be yelling at the dog and kicking the chair legs
Hmmmm. It may have to do with when you downloaded the App. I have an iPhone and have been using the App for years and have never been unable to read an article on any RU sport.
Generally agree. He deserves some flack just for his association with his employer, which has engaged in a lot of yellow journalism directed at Rutgers over the years regarding finances and made up non-scandals.
Battling Kentucky kind of gives us an idea on the projected success of GW coming out of HS.
There were 10 QBs drafted this year and Taulia of Maryland was not one of them.
Recruiting and developing a QB who can play at the next level is a tremendous achievement.