Trump in Saudi Arabia.......

[atlkvb]

Someone is rattled......I'm not "Boom"......and nobody is defending anything. YOU brought up Clinton. YOU lied about Clinton "abusing an 18 year old".......this is all on YOU.

Actually boomer brought it up suggesting Trump has no right to tell Saudi Kings how to treat Women. I simply marveled at how Trump is the worst Female bashing hater known to modern man because he bragged about grabbing *****, but Clinton who lied about getting some ***** is a hero to your twisted logic.

 

[Boomboom521]

I didn't accuse him of abusing a minor, MountaineerWV, I said HE DID abuse a minor. In this case she was a subordinate employee, likely afraid of him or in awe of him and he took full advantage of his positional authority over her to force his sexual desires onto her?

Why even ask her to perform such a lewd act? If he had only asked if he could grab her ***** you would that have made you more upset with him?

The ASKING is key there poncho. And NOONE said Bill or Hillary Clinton were "heroes", and I don't think either myself or the other person you're sparring with think that at all. I simply said that it's peculiar that Trump thinks he has any legitimacy telling others how to respect women.....and as bad as the ***** grabbing comment was....it was these comments I had in mind:

“I have days where, if I come home — and I don't want to sound too much like a chauvinist,” the Republican said, “but when I come home and dinner's not ready, I go through the roof.”
“I think that putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing,” said Trump. “Unfortunately, after they're a star, the fun is over for me. It's like a creation process. It's almost like creating a building. It's pretty sad.”
​

As well as the many times he evaluated the worth of women based on their looks, including his wife.

 

[atlkvb]

If you can't see a difference, I can't help you understand. BTW, my opinion throws out all of the accusations.

Actually I don't boom. If what Trump said was disgusting then what Clinton did should be revolting on the Left. Since what Clinton actually did gets defended on the Left (even in this thread) how in the Hell can ANY of you be upset with Trump just "bragging" about reaching out to touch a few coochies?

You guys defend Clinton's sexual conquests as consensual but excoriate Trump's affairs as the cravings of some sort of demented sexual predator!

Unreal.

 

[atlkvb]

I didn't bring up the ***** grabbing comment, I brought up his multiple comments that disrespect women.

I brought up the Left's outrage over Trump's disrespect for women while ignoring Clinton's abuse of them.

 

[Boomboom521]

Actually I don't boom. If what Trump said was disgusting then what Clinton did should be revolting on the Left. Since what Clinton actually did gets defended on the Left (even in this thread) how in the Hell can ANY of you be upset with Trump just "bragging" about reaching out to touch a few coochies?

You guys defend Clinton's sexual conquests as consensual but excoriate Trump's affairs as the cravings of some sort of demented sexual predator!

Unreal.

Reaching out and grabbing a woman without consent is nothing like having an affair.

 

[atlkvb]

The ASKING is key there poncho. And NOONE said Bill or Hillary Clinton were "heroes", and I don't think either myself or the other person you're sparring with think that at all. I simply said that it's peculiar that Trump thinks he has any legitimacy telling others how to respect women.....and as bad as the ***** grabbing comment was....it was these comments I had in mind:

“I have days where, if I come home — and I don't want to sound too much like a chauvinist,” the Republican said, “but when I come home and dinner's not ready, I go through the roof.”
“I think that putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing,” said Trump. “Unfortunately, after they're a star, the fun is over for me. It's like a creation process. It's almost like creating a building. It's pretty sad.”
​

As well as the many times he evaluated the worth of women based on their looks, including his wife.

Were Trump's Women as upset with his comments as you are boom?

 

[atlkvb]

Reaching out and grabbing a woman without consent is nothing like having an affair.

I'd agree with that, but why then lie about it? And Rape? Grabbing a ***** is worse than penetrating one without consent boom?

 

[Boomboom521]

Were Trump's Women as upset with his comments as you are boom?

Not sure to whom you are referring

 

[Boomboom521]

I'd agree with that, but why then lie about it? And Rape? Grabbing a ***** is worse than penetrating one without consent boom?

Who said that? The voice in your head?

 

[atlkvb]

Who said that? The voice in your head?

Read back through this thread my friend.

 

[Boomboom521]

Read back through this thread my friend.

If you're referencing something I said....I told you that I throw all accusations out on both sides.

I wonder if you always justify actions by comparing them to other actions? Is your morality always relative?

 

[atlkvb]

If you're referencing something I said....I told you that I throw all accusations out on both sides.

I wonder if you always justify actions by comparing them to other actions? Is your morality always relative?

nope boomer my man, I look for consistency in morality and in this case there is none. It's about as duplicitous an argument coming from your side about moral outrage over Trump as Pitt fans claiming they actually have a football team!

 

[MountaineerWV]

I didn't "lie" about anything. I got that kid's age wrong. Maybe when she started working for Clinton and in what capacity? However you and I both know MountaineerWV that he indeed is the one who lied about her and what he asked her to do (made her do) to him didn't he?

Why are you raking me over the coals for stating what is obvious here, and giving him a pass on being the reason for it?

What's your problem? You are still referring to a 22-year old COLLEGE student as a "kid" and "girl". She was a WOMAN! She CONSENTED. There was no gun to her head. In fact, she was so giddy about their relationship it costed her the internship in the White House (look it up.....the people in charge were worried about her "crush" on the president and moved her out of the White House).

Did he lie? Sure. But so do the 50% (or more) of husbands who get caught cheating. He also came out and publicly apologized, seemed sincere, and begged for forgiveness. Like it or not, has Trump done such things as apologize? Or be sincere? Ask forgiveness?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Not sure to whom you are referring

He's referring to the women (Broaddrick) that accused the president of raping her. However, under oath TWICE, she refused to say "rape" or anything to the sort. But once she's off the hook for being under oath, she goes back to the story of "he raped me".

 

[TarHeelEer]

Other women claimed Trump did it too, are those claims true too?

They have all fallen by the wayside. Clinton's? Not so much.

 

[atlkvb]

What's your problem? You are still referring to a 22-year old COLLEGE student as a "kid" and "girl". She was a WOMAN! She CONSENTED. There was no gun to her head. In fact, she was so giddy about their relationship it costed her the internship in the White House (look it up.....the people in charge were worried about her "crush" on the president and moved her out of the White House).

Did he lie? Sure. But so do the 50% (or more) of husbands who get caught cheating. He also came out and publicly apologized, seemed sincere, and begged for forgiveness. Like it or not, has Trump done such things as apologize? Or be sincere? Ask forgiveness?

Trump indeed did apologize for making those Offensive remarks, maybe the "fake news" you don't watch never showed it. Again, all I read is you justifying what Clinton did to that poor kid(yes I said kid) and I noticed you never mentioned he was Married and had a daughter less than half her age? She consented to what? To a request from the President of the United States to slurp his pole while she's on her knees under the big Oak desk in the Oval Office? She "consented" to that request, and it's perfectly fine with you, meanwhile Trump mentioned during a secret recording on a private bus that when chicks are hot on him he likes to just "reach out and grab 'em in the *****" and you want him impeached!

What's wrong with YOU Dude?

 

[atlkvb]

He's referring to the women (Broaddrick) that accused the president of raping her. However, under oath TWICE, she refused to say "rape" or anything to the sort. But once she's off the hook for being under oath, she goes back to the story of "he raped me".

You know wasn't it Hillary who said ALL rape allegations made by Women are legitimate and should be believed? Why the exception here MountaineerWV?

 

[eerdoc]

I don't have an issue with the First Lady not wearing a head dressing, mainly because the previous 3-4 First Lady's didn't either. However, I found it interesting that this was the statement of Donald Trump upon seeing Michele Obama NOT wear one....

“Many people are saying it was wonderful that Mrs. Obama refusing to wear a scarf in Saudi Arabia, but they were insulted. We have enuf enemies"

So.........he can be critical of others, but when his wife does it.........??????

What's the big deal? The precedent has ben set and she merely is fitting into what has been previously established. To do otherwise would,potentially, be more of an insult--trying to look like one is fitting in might come across as fake and a mockery. Leave it alone. There really is nothing there to merit a comment, unless the goal is to merely try, once more, to find something the is innocent and make it look sinister.

 

[MountaineerWV]

You know wasn't it Hillary who said ALL rape allegations made by Women are legitimate and should be believed? Why the exception here MountaineerWV?

So, Monica had no right to "consent"? Are you saying she never consented? Or that she did so under pressure? Even though she has said many times since that she wanted to do what she did with Bill Clinton????

So, if a woman accuses Trump of raping them.......then backs off that claim under oath.....only to revisit that claim afterwards........you don't have a problem with that?

 

[MountaineerWV]

What's the big deal? The precedent has ben set and she merely is fitting into what has been previously established. To do otherwise would,potentially, be more of an insult--trying to look like one is fitting in might come across as fake and a mockery. Leave it alone. There really is nothing there to merit a comment, unless the goal is to merely try, once more, to find something the is innocent and make it look sinister.

Read my comments......I have no problem with the First Lady not wearing the headdress. However, Trump made critical remarks just a few years ago when Michelle Obama decided not to wear one......hypocritical statements need revisited.

 

[atlkvb]

So, Monica had no right to "consent"? Are you saying she never consented? Or that she did so under pressure? Even though she has said many times since that she wanted to do what she did with Bill Clinton????

So, if a woman accuses Trump of raping them.......then backs off that claim under oath.....only to revisit that claim afterwards........you don't have a problem with that?

The whole issue we are discussing MountaineerWV is the moral outrage on your side over Trump vs either its silence or defense of Clinton. Monica consented, I'll concede that and guess what MountaineerWV? A lot of the chicks who Trump said he'd done that with he also said they wanted it too. So why is he a creep and Bill Clinton is a Pimp?

Leftist ideology that's why. We're not talking about it in this pissing match we're having, but truth be told THAT's the difference between your outrage over Trump's behavior and your defense of Clinton's for far worse in my opinion.

So am I wrong?

 

[dave]

I can tell you this, I spend about 1 minute watching any news. It's called "having a life". I am too busy doing other things, unlike you.........

"Ignorance is bliss"?????? Wouldn't know about that. I'm enjoying life.

People who justify their ignorance by pointing out the greatness of their life only magnify their ignorance.

 

[MountaineerWV]

The whole issue we are discussing MountaineerWV is the moral outrage on your side over Trump vs either its silence or defense of Clinton. Monica consented, I'll concede that and guess what MountaineerWV? A lot of the chicks who Trump said he'd done that with he also said they wanted it too. So why is he a creep and Bill Clinton is a Pimp?

Leftist ideology that's why. We're not talking about it in this pissing match we're having, but truth be told THAT s the difference between your outrage over Trump's behavior and your defense of Clinton's for far worse in my opinion.

So am I wrong?

First off, I'm not defending nobody. Clinton's affairs are his business. However, in our system, if you are not convicted of something should you be labeled a "rapist" like you are doing? Then you made the claim that Clinton "abused a minor".....and have the nerve to tell others about "fake news". What the hell did you do in saying that? Yeah, "fake news"! Then your nerve goes deeper by saying that Monica never consented or did so under pressure, when in fact she has admitted that she WANTED to do what she did. Again, your own "fake news".

I only have outrage for those individuals that attempt to misuse factual information to fit their own agenda.

Oh...didn't take me long to find this....

http://nypost.com/2017/01/21/woman-accusing-trump-of-sexual-assault-refuse-to-back-down/

So, I guess this means that you are going to roast Trump, now, like you have Clinton? Since these women are not backing down from their claims on Trump??????

 

[atlkvb]

First off, I'm not defending nobody. Clinton's affairs are his business. However, in our system, if you are not convicted of something should you be labeled a "rapist" like you are doing? Then you made the claim that Clinton "abused a minor".....and have the nerve to tell others about "fake news". What the hell did you do in saying that? Yeah, "fake news"! Then your nerve goes deeper by saying that Monica never consented or did so under pressure, when in fact she has admitted that she WANTED to do what she did. Again, your own "fake news".

I only have outrage for those individuals that attempt to misuse factual information to fit their own agenda.

Oh...didn't take me long to find this....

http://nypost.com/2017/01/21/woman-accusing-trump-of-sexual-assault-refuse-to-back-down/

So, I guess this means that you are going to roast Trump, now, like you have Clinton? Since these women are not backing down from their claims on Trump??????

Why do you keep insisting I'm defending Trump? I'm not! I'm simply pointing out the rank hypocrisy on the Left which is ready to march Trump off to the gas chamber over something he said, all the while you guys pretended as if even the suggestion that Clinton was a poor moral example for his behavior with a subordinate minor (consenting or not) was just a ridiculous unwarranted overreaction. I simply find it incredible the blatant double standard here.

Misuse factual information? What are the "facts" here MountaineerWV? Bill Clinton was Married, President of the United States, had sex in the Oval office with an underage intern, lied about it, was impeached for lying about it, and all the Left could muster in "outrage" over it was "who cares, so what, it's only about sex, move on"

Meantime Trump brags about his sexual exploits and "grabbing women by the *****" and he's worse than a Child molester to the "morally offended Left"?

If it wasn't so sad it'd actually be pretty funny.

 

[atlkvb]

I'm not defending nobody. Clinton's affairs are his business

So then why does that not apply to Trump and his "***** grabbing" ways?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Misuse factual information? What are the "facts" here MountaineerWV? Bill Clinton was Married, President of the United States, had sex in the Oval office with an underage intern,

If it wasn't so sad it'd actually be pretty funny.

You are a piece of crap! Are you still refusing to admit you are WRONG!!?!?!?! Monica was 22-years old. My god, man. Underage is 17 and younger. How stupid must you be to not understand this?

 

[atlkvb]

c

You are a piece of crap! Are you still refusing to admit you are WRONG!!?!?!?! Monica was 22-years old. My god, man. Underage is 17 and younger. How stupid must you be to not understand this?

I'm referring to her age relative to him MountaineerWV. She was a "kid" to him. She was "underage" in that he was at least twice her age not to mention her boss AND President of the United States.

Let's say Trump has that hot Black Chick who just won the Miss America beauty pageant he used to own over to the WH for a little visit...and let's just say Trump gets a boner lookin' at those gorgeous long legs of that Nubian Princess...and let's just say he then asks her to give him a little "blow job" away from the cameras? (while he grabs at her *****)

That chic isn't much older than Lewinski was, you'd be defending a 70 year old Man who was President asking a kid young enough to be one his Daughters that? You'd defend Trump doing that?

You're either a very good liar or a very poor one.

 

[MountaineerWV]

c

I'm referring to her age relative to him MountaineerWV. She was a "kid" to him. She was "underage" in that he was at least twice her age not to mention her boss AND President of the United States.

Let's say Trump has that hot Black Chick who just won the Miss America beauty pageant he used to own over to the WH for a little visit...and let's just say Trump gets a boner lookin' at those gorgeous long legs of that Nubian Princess...and let's just say he then asks her to give him a little "blow job" away from the cameras?

That chic isn't much older than Lewinski was, you'd be defending a 70 year od Man who was President asking a kid young enough to be one his Daughters that? You'd defend Trump doing that?

You're either a very good liar or a very poor one.

BULLSH!T.....that's called "fake news"....you are doing just what you claim the news is doing. Misrepresenting facts by misusing words. They were both consenting adults.....

Oh, here's something for you to stew on even more with that "age" claim:

Donald Trump was 68 when he married Melanie Trump (who was 35).......you still want to stick with that "age" claim????

Bill was 52, Monica 22.......so 30 years separating them......Trump was 33 years older than his now wife........

 

[atlkvb]

BULLSH!T.....that's called "fake news"....you are doing just what you claim the news is doing. Misrepresenting facts by misusing words. They were both consenting adults.....

Oh, here's something for you to stew on even more with that "age" claim:

Donald Trump was 68 when he married Melanie Trump (who was 35).......you still want to stick with that "age" claim????

Bill was 52, Monica 22.......so 30 years separating them......Trump was 33 years older than his now wife........

Trump's married to Melania Dude. Monica Lewinski was a College intern and Clinton already had a Wife (if you want to call her that)

I asked you in post #107 would you defend Trump for essentially doing to a Black Miss America what Clinton did to Lewinski?

What's wrong the question too tough for you handle my Man?

Everything else is the same except the Black chick is Miss America but doesn't have a job like Lewinski had because Trump's a racist SOB right?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Trump's married to Melania Dude. Monica Lewinski was a College intern.

I asked you in post #107 would you defend Trump for essentially doing to Black Miss America what Clinton did Lewinski?

What's wrong the question too tough for you handle my Man? Everything else is the same except the Black chick is Miss America but doesn't have a job like Lewinski had because Trump's a racist SOB right?

You bring up age, then I show the hypocrisy in your statement and then you switch it to something else.

Let me stress this again.......just like Bill and Monica, if Trump f**ks another woman and has her consent, I don't give a flying F**K! It's his personal business, and his wife. Same for JFK, same for Harding, etc. etc. etc.

You, on the other hand, continue to say "underage" for Monica and try to come up with some lame excuse for using that term. You expect me to believe that is how you meant to use that word, to describe their age difference? Come on........

 

[wvu2007]

Bill Clinton is a rapist

 

[atlkvb]

You bring up age, then I show the hypocrisy in your statement and then you switch it to something else.

Let me stress this again.......just like Bill and Monica, if Trump f**ks another woman and has her consent, I don't give a flying F**K! It's his personal business, and his wife. Same for JFK, same for Harding, etc. etc. etc.

You, on the other hand, continue to say "underage" for Monica and try to come up with some lame excuse for using that term. You expect me to believe that is how you meant to use that word, to describe their age difference? Come on........

I'm amazed you don't see your rank hypocrisy here MountaineerWV. You're defending Clinton's behavior with Lewinski claiming they were both consenting correct?

OK, so I ask you if Miss Black America consented to Trump doing the same thing to her (despite their obvious age gap) would you defend him? And you said in this post #110 that you don't give a F**K! correct?

OK, so then what are you so upset with Trump about in the first place? I thought you didn't give a F**k??????[roll]

 

[atlkvb]

You, on the other hand, continue to say "underage" for Monica and try to come up with some lame excuse for using that term.

MountaineerWV, what do you think would have happened to Lewinski if she refused Clinton's request to slurp his Johnson?

Do you honestly think she had a legitimate option to tell him no?

 

[MountaineerWV]

I'm amazed you don't see your rank hypocrisy here MountaineerWV. You're defending Clinton's behavior with Lewinski claiming they were both consenting correct?

OK, so I ask you if Miss Black America consented to Trump doing the same thing to her (despite their obvious age gap) would you defend him? And you said in this post #110 that you don't give a F**K! correct?

OK, so then what are you so upset with Trump about in the first place? I thought you didn't give a F**k??????[roll]

WHAT?!?!?! I don't give a f**k. You called Bill a "rapist". Yet, he's never been convicted...and the woman has had the opportunity TWICE to go under oath and make her claim official and refused to. Then you went after the age difference between Bill and Monica. So, I show you that Donald and Melania have a wider gap......and you are fine with that! Bill had an affair....oh wow.....that never happens does it? Donald's never done that, has he?

 

[MountaineerWV]

MountaineerWV, what do you think would have happened to Lewinski if she refused Clinton's request to slurp his Johnson?

Do you honestly think she had a legitimate option to tell him no?

OMG! Are you that stupid? She has said REPEATEDLY SINCE THAT SHE WANTED TO HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP! She felt absolutely NO PRESSURE to do anything. Why must you use hypotheticals, because those are stupid and non-factual.....

 

[atlkvb]

OMG! Are you that stupid? She has said REPEATEDLY SINCE THAT SHE WANTED TO HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP! She felt absolutely NO PRESSURE to do anything. Why must you use hypotheticals, because those are stupid and non-factual.....

OK...so why did he (Clinton) lie about it if they both were cool with it? What was the reason for lying about it? C'mon man drill down put your Leftist "dunce cap" on and do some thinking on this one.

 

[MountaineerWV]

OK...so why did he (Clinton) lie about it if they both were cool with it? What was the reason for lying about it? C'mon man drill down put your Leftist "dunce cap" on and do some thinking on this one.

Why do you think????? Duh!

And why hasn't Monica came out since and said "Bill forced me" or "I felt I had no choice"????? Come on, Mr. "Hypothetical"?

 

[atlkvb]

Why do you think????? Duh!

I asked first.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I asked first.

Because.....he's the president......affair.........wife.........why do men lie when caught up in an affair? Geez, buddy. Get out of your little shell and see the world and how the other people act.

Again, stop trying to use hypotheticals to support your statements. You have called him a rapist. You said he abused an "underage" intern. You have said Monica didn't have a choice. You have said his age difference is a problem (although Don's and Melania's is greater).

 

[atlkvb]

Why do you think????? Duh!

And why hasn't Monica came out since and said "Bill forced me" or "I felt I had no choice"????? Come on, Mr. "Hypothetical"?

MountaineerWVif you're honest with yourself, you already know this answer. You know my man it's fascinating to me the lengths you folks go to justify your immorality. Look what you're arguing here.

A man old enough to be that little girl's Grandfather asking her to suck his gonads in the Oval office and your Defense of that outrageous behavior is that they were consenting. They hide it, lie about it, yet you are still justifying it as if I'm crazy for suggesting it is not only immoral but stupid!

But, you are bat sh*t crazy outraged over something Trump only suggested is a "fun thing" to do with "groupie chicks" who flaunt themselves at him?

I wonder what you tell your kids is right or wrong? If you don't have any...I thank Almighty God!