Trump scares me. But the protester attacks on freedom of speech

[MikeRafone]

The Revolutionary Communist Party? Are those jokers still around? Yeah, I'd worry about them and all five of their members. I wonder if ol' Chairman Bob is still in exile in Paris while the Stateside cadre raises money to keep him living in style? Those guys were a running joke in my college years. They used to fight with another bunch of self proclaimed Commies over who the "real" Bolsheviks were. One bunch was led on campus by a member of the Delano family while another was headed up by John Landis sister. I didn't realize the proletariat sported capped teeth and nose jobs until I met those folks. What a gang of dolts!


The turmoil around the Republican campaign is starting to resemble the turmoil around the Democratic campaign in 1968. George Wallace didn't have the broad based support that Trump does, but he spewed a similar message. Trump has crossed the line into shouting fire in a crowded theater by inciting his supporters to fight with anyone at the rally that remotely differs with him. Wallace wasn't one to endanger the public welfare by inciting a crowd to violence, despite his views.

 

[bornaneer]

[QUOTE="bamaEER, post: 960381, our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
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You disagree?

 

[bamaEER]

Because he is in the lead and presents the biggest challenge. Let Cruz take the lead and they will be protesting him. Kind of hard to protest Kasich, he's basically the nicest man on the planet.

Goes back to my original point. His combative nature and tendency to demonize people created this. Now he has to live with it.

 

[bornaneer]

Goes back to my original point. His combative nature and tendency to demonize people created this. Now he has to live with it.

Agreed.....Trump is very combative, but you are confusing demonizing people with legality.

 

[Mntneer]

Because he is in the lead and presents the biggest challenge. Let Cruz take the lead and they will be protesting him. Kind of hard to protest Kasich, he's basically the nicest man on the planet.

Exactly. Trumps leading, so he's who they target, if it was clear that Cruz would be facing Hillary or Bernie this fall, then they'd target him. And they certainly wouldn't stop with them, they'd target Kasich as well.

 

[EERs 3:16]

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday for barring all Muslims from entering the United States.

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/index.html

And what's wrong with that? Shouldn't we know who is entering the country before they arrive?

 

[MountaineerWV]

How is these protestors hurting free speech, as Trump claims? If he can stand up there and say whatever the Hell he wants, then it works for others as well.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Goes back to my original point. His combative nature and tendency to demonize people created this. Now he has to live with it.

Which is patently false. The left's strategy is shut down anyone's speech with whom they disagree. Mntneer is right. Trump is the target because he is leading.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

How is these protestors hurting free speech, as Trump claims? If he can stand up there and say whatever the Hell he wants, then it works for others as well.

The "others" are not merely freely speaking. They are infringing upon the rights of others to move freely...in this case to move freely to hear Trump speak.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

You guys making excuses for the wackos on the left are going to regret this. I'm telling you, this is not going to end well at all. Either some kook Trump supporter is going to incite violence or one on the left is and once it happens, it's over. You can believe this will carry on to Hillary when the right starts doing it as well.

 

[bamaEER]

You guys making excuses for the wackos on the left are going to regret this. I'm telling you, this is not going to end well at all. Either some kook Trump supporter is going to incite violence or one on the left is and once it happens, it's over. You can believe this will carry on to Hillary when the right starts doing it as well.

If it bleeds over to other candidates, then I'll give a crap and say you were right.

 

[bornaneer]

How is these protestors hurting free speech, as Trump claims? If he can stand up there and say whatever the Hell he wants, then it works for others as well.

So you are OK if some nuts tried to shout down President Obama during his State of The Union address?

 

[MountaineerWV]

So you are OK if some nuts tried to shout down President Obama during his State of The Union address?

First off you assume that I'm a Obama guy. Secondly, it may be rude but it's free speech. And I do not believe anyone was punched or attacked for their statements, correct? And I don't remember seeing or hearing President Obama blast the person over the mic and tell others that back in the day they would have been taken out in a stretcher.......

 

[MountaineerWV]

Not to mention Trump is blaming the protestors for the violence. He's using the old technique used by George Wallace and the segregationists in the South during the Civil Rights Movement. Telling people that there wouldn't be any violence if they would just stop protesting. Yeah, that sounds like freedom to me!

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Not to mention Trump is blaming the protestors for the violence. He's using the old technique used by George Wallace and the segregationists in the South during the Civil Rights Movement. Telling people that there wouldn't be any violence if they would just stop protesting. Yeah, that sounds like freedom to me!

You are naive if you honestly think the people coming to protest are not there to incite and provoke violence. Trying to compare Trump to Wallace and this to the civil rights movement is moronic and really shows a true lack of perspective albeit an accurate depiction of how sensationalistic the victimization culture has become on the left. Don't like what you hear? Cry racism, sexism, ageism, etc. You see it on here daily, people losing an argument....racist. Hell, we found most of the left on here is so reactionary and accustomed to this behavior they displayed a fundamental lack lf understanding of what constitutes grounds for those accusations. They scream foul and claim the right is brainwashed by FoxNews when at least the right attempts to be informed whether it's from a biased source or not. The overwhelming majority of people on the left I talk to about politics get their information from Facebook. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time.

 

[MountaineerWV]

You are naive if you honestly think the people coming to protest are not there to incite and provoke violence. Trying to compare Trump to Wallace and this to the civil rights movement is moronic and really shows a true lack of perspective albeit an accurate depiction of how sensationalistic the victimization culture has become on the left. Don't like what you hear? Cry racism, sexism, ageism, etc. You see it on here daily, people losing an argument....racist. Hell, we found most of the left on here is so reactionary and accustomed to this behavior they displayed a fundamental lack lf understanding of what constitutes grounds for those accusations. They scream foul and claim the right is brainwashed by FoxNews when at least the right attempts to be informed whether it's from a biased source or not. The overwhelming majority of people on the left I talk to about politics get their information from Facebook. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time.

No, not comparing the two events.....but comparing the two responses. Trump incited all these protests and did so knowing the media would be all over it, giving him more free viewing time.

And FYI, EVERY protest is looking to incite violence. Go back and look at Dr. King's own statements. When he first started his non-violent protests, nobody was paying attention. He made the statement that only when violence happens at his protests is when the government officials and the American media/people pay attention. It is you that is naive if you don't see what is going on.

 

[WVUBRU]

I went to church so missed your question. My belliefs align with bama and his responses. Trump went overboard with his demands and I do not share his beliefs or those that align with his statements. I do support legal immigration and I support the entrance of foreigners that are refugees from their country. There is a process for that and it should be followed. In my opinion, that is not what Trump or many others including many governors and other candidates for president on the GOP side represented.

 

[bornaneer]

I went to church so missed your question. My belliefs align with bama and his responses. Trump went overboard with his demands and I do not share his beliefs or those that align with his statements. I do support legal immigration and I support the entrance of foreigners that are refugees from their country. There is a process for that and it should be followed. In my opinion, that is not what Trump or many others including many governors and other candidates for president on the GOP side represented.

Trump also supports LEGAL immigration.......THAT'S HIS argument. Tell me more about about how the GOP candidates and governors do not support following the law our country. Is your position that we all should ignore the laws? If you don't like the laws,work to change them. That process has worked well in the past to correct wrongs. The nuts we see inciting violence at Trump events should be protesting at the White House if they truly WANT to effect change.......after all Trump is not the President..........yet.

 

[TarHeelEer]

I went to church so missed your question. My belliefs align with bama and his responses. Trump went overboard with his demands and I do not share his beliefs or those that align with his statements. I do support legal immigration and I support the entrance of foreigners that are refugees from their country. There is a process for that and it should be followed. In my opinion, that is not what Trump or many others including many governors and other candidates for president on the GOP side represented.

So you misunderstand his position, and then misrepresent it. Go figure.

I mean it's not like the left doesn't regularly spread hate with "Republicans want to starve grandma" or "Republicans want to put you back in chains" and the like.

 

[bornaneer]

I went to church so missed your question.

Be careful....be very careful. Wait till RPJ gets back.....you might have some explaining to do to him and his followers.

 

[WVUBRU]

Trump also supports LEGAL immigration.......THAT'S HIS argument. Tell me more about about how the GOP candidates and governors do not support following the law our country. Is your position that we all should ignore the laws? If you don't like the laws,work to change them. That process has worked well in the past to correct wrongs. The nuts we see inciting violence at Trump events should be protesting at the White House if they truly WANT to effect change.......after all Trump is not the President..........yet.

Conversing with someone that implies that my position is to ignore laws is one that too much of a whacko to even bother with.

Have a blessed day.

 

[WVUBRU]

So you misunderstand his position, and then misrepresent it. Go figure.

I mean it's not like the left doesn't regularly spread hate with "Republicans want to starve grandma" or "Republicans want to put you back in chains" and the like.

Explain how I misunderstood and misrepresent Trump's position. Did he not say he would ban all muslims entering the country many times over? Has he not said that "Islam hates us"?

You are lying once again. Go figure....a bible thumper that lies. See, this is a guy with an agenda and can't be honest if his life was dependent on it.

 

[bornaneer]

Conversing with someone that implies that my position is to ignore laws is one that too much of a whacko to even bother with.

Have a blessed day.

Never meant to imply that your position is to ignore laws. The premise of my comments is that Trump is lambasted because he wants laws to be respected and enforced.

 

[WVUBRU]

Maybe the bible-thumper can relive 2015 and then repent. But personally, it is too late. He has lied way too much on this board.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/

 

[bornaneer]

Maybe the bible-thumper can relive 2015 and then repent. But personally, it is too late. He has lied way too much on this board.

Did you miss this part of Trumps statement: "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on,"

 

[WVUBRU]

Did you miss this part of Trumps statement: "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on,"

No and I find that line to be absolutely ridiculous, foolish and embarrassing. It is just like your stupid implications on others based on nothing. It is meant solely to prey on the ignorant and their emotions in order to garner support in a very reckless manner.

It is disgusting and why you support it must be explained only by yourself. But don't think for one second I will ever support that kind of crap.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

No and I find that line to be absolutely ridiculous, foolish and embarrassing. It is just like your stupid implications on others based on nothing. It is meant solely to prey on the ignorant and their emotions in order to garner support in a very reckless manner.

It is disgusting and why you support it must be explained only by yourself. But don't think for one second I will ever support that kind of crap.

It's disgusting to want to ensure we are properly vetting those coming into our country so we don't have a repeat here of what happened in Paris? Gotcha.

Hard to argue with this kind of slanted and moronic logic. I truly hope you can continue to live in your bubble of ignorance without the real world having an affect on your daily life.

 

[mneilmont]

No and I find that line to be absolutely ridiculous, foolish and embarrassing. It is just like your stupid implications on others based on nothing. It is meant solely to prey on the ignorant and their emotions in order to garner support in a very reckless manner.

It is disgusting and why you support it must be explained only by yourself. But don't think for one second I will ever support that kind of crap.

Bible Thumper? You " missed because you were in church this AM", and proceed to tell us what Donald Trump is allowed to say "on this board"? Do you not understand that it is not within your domain to tell the rest of us what is proper or improper? Donald Trump has the right of free speech like the rest of us. You are not given the authority to tell any of us what is right or wrong. You can only make good argument when you are given the right to make the rules. Most no longer give you that right.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

No and I find that line to be absolutely ridiculous, foolish and embarrassing. It is just like your stupid implications on others based on nothing. It is meant solely to prey on the ignorant and their emotions in order to garner support in a very reckless manner.

It is disgusting and why you support it must be explained only by yourself. But don't think for one second I will ever support that kind of crap.

Bru, the administration couldn't explain how they were vetting Syrian refugees. That's why Trump made the statement.

 

[WVUBRU]

It's disgusting to want to ensure we are properly vetting those coming into our country so we don't have a repeat here of what happened in Paris? Gotcha.

Hard to argue with this kind of slanted and moronic logic. I truly hope you can continue to live in your bubble of ignorance without the real world having an affect on your daily life.

Another idiot that ignores my words so he can put forth his preconceived agenda.

Go read my posts again. Somewhere in there I said something along the lines of supporting accepting refugees and the country has a process for it. And somehow you spin those words into something that is a complete lie. Imagine that? At least you are consistent with your sinful behavior.

 

[WVUBRU]

Bru, the administration couldn't explain how they were vetting Syrian refugees. That's why Trump made the statement.

BS. At the time that comment was made, the country has already accepted a thousand refugees and many others had applied and were in the process. Not every little detail is needed to be known by the public especially as it pertains to very sensitive subjects. And the balance between keeping individuals backgrounds with proper confidentiality coupled with protecting the country with security along with not giving out too much information to our enemies is a tricky balance.

Trump and many others wanted to raise a cause of alarm in the public to use for their political advantage and it worked for them to convince many that react based on soundbites.

 

[Mntneer]

It's amazing at what not listening to a complete sentence can do to an opinion. Failing to listen to, or read, the word "UNTIL" dramatically alters one's perception of someone's quotes or beliefs.

 

[WVUBRU]

It's amazing at what not listening to a complete sentence can do to an opinion. Failing to listen to, or read, the word "UNTIL" dramatically alters one's perception of someone's quotes or beliefs.

I agree with your comment but don't understand your point. Are you also agreeing that after the tragedy in Paris and San Bernandino, you too support the line of thinking that our government is not doing everything they know to keep Americans safe with the understanding it isn't perfect? Do you think enough time has passed and the government now knows "what the hell is going on"? Or is the only way to get things perfect is to believe a huckster like Trump and believe that the Obama Administration with the GOP led Congress is totally failing at their responsibilities and we will only be safe come Jan 20, 2017 when Trump walks into the WH? I personally believe our government is attempting to protect our security 24/7/365.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

BS. At the time that comment was made, the country has already accepted a thousand refugees and many others had applied and were in the process. Not every little detail is needed to be known by the public especially as it pertains to very sensitive subjects. And the balance between keeping individuals backgrounds with proper confidentiality coupled with protecting the country with security along with not giving out too much information to our enemies is a tricky balance.

Trump and many others wanted to raise a cause of alarm in the public to use for their political advantage and it worked for them to convince many that react based on soundbites.

Yes, thousands were coming in and people were asking how these refugees could possibly be vetted when there are no records in war-torn Syria by which to vet them. The admin had no answer. And how refugees are vetted is not top secret data. The fact is they weren't being vetted.

 

[WVUBRU]

Yes, thousands were coming in and people were asking how these refugees could possibly be vetted when there are no records in war-torn Syria by which to vet them. The admin had no answer. And how refugees are vetted is not top secret data. The fact is they weren't being vetted.

Ok. Your comments do not match up to my memory of the news reports at the time.

 

[WVUBRU]

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/facts-about-the-syrian-refugees/

A total of 2,290 Syrian refugees have arrived in the United States since fiscal year 2011, which is when the Syrian civil war began, through Nov. 20, according to the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center.

Your comment appears to be wrong

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Another idiot that ignores my words so he can put forth his preconceived agenda.

Go read my posts again. Somewhere in there I said something along the lines of supporting accepting refugees and the country has a process for it. And somehow you spin those words into something that is a complete lie. Imagine that? At least you are consistent with your sinful behavior.

Sinful behavior? I'm not a Christian so that's kind of tough to have.

 

[WVUBRU]

Now that stat isn't all muslims but it is in context with the news that was happening at the time and the reference of ISIS and terrorist with the refugee crisis of Syria. Regardless, I will still believe this country is attempting to keep us safe and there is a process that is being followed with a high success rate.

 

[WVUBRU]

Sinful behavior? I'm not a Christian so that's kind of tough to have.

So, only christians can commit a an immoral act? No wonder you lie everytime you post. Makes sense.

 

[Airport]

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/facts-about-the-syrian-refugees/

A total of 2,290 Syrian refugees have arrived in the United States since fiscal year 2011, which is when the Syrian civil war began, through Nov. 20, according to the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center.

Your comment appears to be wrong

The European countries are starting to send the refugees back.