Trump scares me. But the protester attacks on freedom of speech

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ok. Soveriegn countries can make their own immigration decisions. Your comment means nothing to me and any point I have made today.

Just that the European ccountries are so much more enlightened than us, according to liberals, bigoted Americans because we want to control our borders.
 

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I agree with your comment but don't understand your point. Are you also agreeing that after the tragedy in Paris and San Bernandino, you too support the line of thinking that our government is not doing everything they know to keep Americans safe with the understanding it isn't perfect? Do you think enough time has passed and the government now knows "what the hell is going on"? Or is the only way to get things perfect is to believe a huckster like Trump and believe that the Obama Administration with the GOP led Congress is totally failing at their responsibilities and we will only be safe come Jan 20, 2017 when Trump walks into the WH? I personally believe our government is attempting to protect our security 24/7/365.

My point is that so many are quick to label Trump as being opposed to all Muslims, which is not what he said. Same with the "He's a racist", "He's a sexist", etc. He says ignorant things, but I'm not going to quickly label him these things based off a few ignorant comments, comments that are not racist or sexist in and of themselves.

In regards to the refugee problem. I believe that the government wants to do all they can to keep us safe, but I'm not certain that the steps taken in vetting these refugees would be sufficient enough to ensure no ISIS terrorists come in with them.
 

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So, only christians can commit a an immoral act? No wonder you lie everytime you post. Makes sense.
You are quickly devolving into crazy old man status.

You may want to fact check what the definition of sin is as well. And besides, with the people you support on this board I would think you not only condone lying you consider it a requirement in conversation. The continued double standard of the left.

To put all of this into context, Trump made those comments after the President said the US was going to bring an additional 10000 refugees into the country. The concern then and as it is now is the ability to process that many people accurately and to try and prevent what happened in Paris from happening here.

You and your ilk misquote, distort, and outright lie to perpetuate the agenda of victimizing. In this thread alone you were shown to have been wrong on what you claimed Trumo said and instead of acknowledging your error, correcting your behavior, you doubled down on your stupidity and refused to acknowledge it and further rationalized your behavior. Such a disgraceful behavior. Continue on little drone.
 

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In regards to the refugee problem. I believe that the government wants to do all they can to keep us safe, but I'm not certain that the steps taken in vetting these refugees would be sufficient enough to ensure no ISIS terrorists come in with them.
Again, I find these comments to be a very honest and respectable opinion. I will add that the government will never be able to guarantee perfect success.

I am one that pretty much despised everything with Dubya. But I am also one that never once said anything along the lines that he or his administration allowed 9/11 to happen. In the eyes of national security of this country, I will believe our elected officials as a collective group will do their best to protect us.
 

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You are quickly devolving into crazy old man status.

You may want to fact check what the definition of sin is as well. And besides, with the people you support on this board I would think you not only condone lying you consider it a requirement in conversation. The continued double standard of the left.

To put all of this into context, Trump made those comments after the President said the US was going to bring an additional 10000 refugees into the country. The concern then and as it is now is the ability to process that many people accurately and to try and prevent what happened in Paris from happening here.

You and your ilk misquote, distort, and outright lie to perpetuate the agenda of victimizing. In this thread alone you were shown to have been wrong on what you claimed Trumo said and instead of acknowledging your error, correcting your behavior, you doubled down on your stupidity and refused to acknowledge it and further rationalized your behavior. Such a disgraceful behavior. Continue on little drone.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sin?s=t

Not only are you scum, you are so easy to beat with words like every other liar.

You may want to read the definition of a sin. Especially the part it says "
any act regarded as such a transgression, especially a willful ordeliberate violation of some religious or moral principle.
3.
any reprehensible or regrettable action, behavior, lapse, etc.; greatfault or offense:
 

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It appears here the name calling and dispirited interactions of the usual suspects are Trump-like and thus comically hypocritical. Let your inner Trump shine forth as justification to judge others and all the while Hillary tiptoes behind you. LOL!
 

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http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sin?s=t

Not only are you scum, you are so easy to beat with words like every other liar.

You may want to read the definition of a sin. Especially the part it says "
any act regarded as such a transgression, especially a willful ordeliberate violation of some religious or moral principle.
3.
any reprehensible or regrettable action, behavior, lapse, etc.; greatfault or offense:
So, the part about it being religious?

And please point out my lies. Please.
 

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ok. Soveriegn countries can make their own immigration decisions. Your comment means nothing to me and any point I have made today.
You've made a cogent point today? News to anyone reading this thread I can assure you.
 

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See the word "or"? Do you know what that little word means? Can you read after the word "or" once you look that word up?

Dumbass.
Hahahhaa. You should change your name to spin doctor. It's fun watching the elderly flounder around like buffoons and refuse help. Sometimes Bru, you just need to acknowledge you're beat. For you, I can understand its a tough notion considering the frequency of which it occurs for you on here.

You're the old man in black and white on the infomercial, the guy they show who just can't get it. Then they show someone in color making it happen with whatever gizmo they are pushing. I'm sure in your day you had it going on. It's cool, hold on to that. Keep is close, let it comfort you in your final years. Someone, somewhere, has some respect for you. Just not here.
 

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Hahahhaa. You should change your name to spin doctor. It's fun watching the elderly flounder around like buffoons and refuse help. Sometimes Bru, you just need to acknowledge you're beat. For you, I can understand its a tough notion considering the frequency of which it occurs for you on here.

You're the old man in black and white on the infomercial, the guy they show who just can't get it. Then they show someone in color making it happen with whatever gizmo they are pushing. I'm sure in your day you had it going on. It's cool, hold on to that. Keep is close, let it comfort you in your final years. Someone, somewhere, has some respect for you. Just not here.
Considering you are nothing but dishonest scum, I couldn't care less of your perspective of me. And let me clue you in on something. I'm not insecure like you looking for acceptance. But rather I can live comfortable speaking honestly without twisting others words or ignoring words in sentences or misrepresenting facts. I know you can't.
 

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Considering you are nothing but dishonest scum, I couldn't care less of your perspective of me. And let me clue you in on something. I'm not insecure like you looking for acceptance. But rather I can live comfortable speaking honestly without twisting others words or ignoring words in sentences or misrepresenting facts. I know you can't.
You've done it multiple times in this thread alone. Hard to discuss things with someone who can't even be honest with themselves, let alone the topic being discussed.
 
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My point is that so many are quick to label Trump as being opposed to all Muslims, which is not what he said. Same with the "He's a racist", "He's a sexist", etc. He says ignorant things, but I'm not going to quickly label him these things based off a few ignorant comments, comments that are not racist or sexist in and of themselves.

My point is that so many are quick to label Trump as being opposed to all Muslims, which is not what he said. - It is EXACTLY what he said. "Let's ban all Muslims. They hate us."

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...9432B1CF970C791389C59432B1CF970C7&FORM=VRDGAR

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...FFB58D5CDBD86CAE4C0AFFB58D5CDBD86&FORM=VRDGAR

This is the definition of sexist:
relating to or characterized by prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

And you think he's not sexist? You are a total dumb ***.
 

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My point is that so many are quick to label Trump as being opposed to all Muslims, which is not what he said. - It is EXACTLY what he said. "Let's ban all Muslims. They hate us."

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...9432B1CF970C791389C59432B1CF970C7&FORM=VRDGAR

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...FFB58D5CDBD86CAE4C0AFFB58D5CDBD86&FORM=VRDGAR

This is the definition of sexist:
relating to or characterized by prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

And you think he's not sexist? You are a total dumb ***.
I'm convinced these hard lined republicans have come to the realization they have to start supporting Trump and what we are seeing now is excuse after excuse for Trump's ridiculous behavior and positions. This is just more evidence of it.
 

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You, and leftist media, keep ignoring the last part of Trump's statement. Want to walk back the liar statement? Nah, you never do.


Did you watch that video? All he said was they can only query what they have collected as it pertains to the Syrian refugees? No ****. Was you posting this video meant to be something of relevance?
 

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Did you miss this part of Trumps statement: "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on,"

Either purposefully or not. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt in that he misread it. I mean, he's middle of the road, surely he's not trying to put words in a candidate's mouth and lying is he? Not very Christian of him if so.
 
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I'm convinced these hard lined republicans have come to the realization they have to start supporting Trump and what we are seeing now is excuse after excuse for Trump's ridiculous behavior and positions. This is just more evidence of it.

EXACTLY! They are desperate. They know he will be the nominee (aside from corruption at a brokered convention) and they know they have to support/defend him, it is their only option.
 

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Did you watch that video? All he said was they can only query what they have collected as it pertains to the Syrian refugees? No ****. Was you posting this video meant to be something of relevance?

And that they haven't collected much in Syria(or Egypt, Libya, etc.) like they have Iraq. We don't have a handle on vetting most of those refugees.

You ignored the rest I see. Purposefully, or not.
 

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EXACTLY! They are desperate. They know he will be the nominee (aside from corruption at a brokered convention) and they know they have to support/defend him, it is their only option.

I'm voting Libertarian unless the nominee is Cruz. Try again.
 

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Considering you are nothing but dishonest scum, I couldn't care less of your perspective of me. And let me clue you in on something. I'm not insecure like you looking for acceptance. But rather I can live comfortable speaking honestly without twisting others words or ignoring words in sentences or misrepresenting facts. I know you can't.

GET OFF MY LAWN!
 

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And that they haven't collected much in Syria(or Egypt, Libya, etc.) like they have Iraq. We don't have a handle on vetting most of those refugees.

You ignored the rest I see. Purposefully, or not.
Ignored what rest? The video was barely a minute long. That is all that was said. And no, they said they don't have as much to query on the Syrian refugees as they did on the Iraqi refugees. That isn't of any dispute. The dispute is whether or not the refugees are being vetted and are going through a process. The video doesn't show anything along those lines. So again, does that video have any relevance or are you attempting to be your typical self?
 

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I should have been more clear. They = borninthedark, dvldog, mtneer, dumbdave and senile niel.
I've already said I'm not voting for Trump under any circumstance, nor will I vote for Hillary. I have principles that I do not and will not compromise. I would vote for Cruz.

I'm banking on a brokered convention.
And how you think it would be corruption if it is brokered and Trump doesn't get the nomination is evidence of your lack of understanding of the process.

If it goes brokered, Kasich will get the nomination with Rubio as a likely VP. It will also only go 2-3 rounds for that to happen.
 

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Regardless, I will still believe this country is attempting to keep us safe and there is a process that is being followed with a high success rate
Do you have anything at all to base the statement on? Just a gut feeling? You really put that kind of faith in Obama? Does it make no difference at all to you that people on his staff do not feel the vetting process is adequate? In total honesty, how can you feel any degree of security when you know there is no way to do background checks on the people who are coming in thru the porous, and have an equal amount of knowledge where they are and with whom they associate once inside the borders.

I do not think you are an honest broker to suggest the country is attempting to 100% think of the safety of her citizens.
 
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I've already said I'm not voting for Trump under any circumstance, nor will I vote for Hillary. I have principles that I do not and will not compromise. I would vote for Cruz.

I'm banking on a brokered convention.
And how you think it would be corruption if it is brokered and Trump doesn't get the nomination is evidence of your lack of understanding of the process.

If it goes brokered, Kasich will get the nomination with Rubio as a likely VP. It will also only go 2-3 rounds for that to happen.

I completely understand the process. It is corrupt when the eventual nominee is not the nominee the majority of the primary voters selected. I would say the say thing on the Democratic side.
 

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I've already said I'm not voting for Trump under any circumstance, nor will I vote for Hillary. I have principles that I do not and will not compromise. I would vote for Cruz.

And I've said the same thing. Though I would never vote for Cruz either.

My point is that so many are quick to label Trump as being opposed to all Muslims, which is not what he said. - It is EXACTLY what he said. "Let's ban all Muslims. They hate us."

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...9432B1CF970C791389C59432B1CF970C7&FORM=VRDGAR

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...FFB58D5CDBD86CAE4C0AFFB58D5CDBD86&FORM=VRDGAR

This is the definition of sexist:
relating to or characterized by prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

And you think he's not sexist? You are a total dumb ***.

Both videos contain ignorant comments, not sexist comment. Your quote of "Let's ban all Muslims. They hate us." Cite that exact quote. Please... prove your claim.
 

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I completely understand the process. It is corrupt when the eventual nominee is not the nominee the majority of the primary voters selected. I would say the say thing on the Democratic side.
I don't think that's corruption at all. We'll agree to disagree on this one. I completely understand the intent behind it and it's for reasons exactly as we see right now. If it's brokered, it's because there was not a clear majority. Whoever has the most delegates yet fell short of the required minimum, it could be argued the true majority of the party didn't want because the true majority voted for other candidates. Otherwise the candidate would have had enough delegates going into the convention. Makes perfect and complete sense.
 

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I completely understand the process. It is corrupt when the eventual nominee is not the nominee the majority of the primary voters selected. I would say the say thing on the Democratic side.
Cuntreeeboy is too stupid to follow the reasoning of the process, but he has been a fan of Fox long enough to attempt to make it fair and balanced. He is not only stupid when he talks of the process for the Republicans, but wants to be sure the Democrats are held to the same stupidity. How can there possibly be a discussion with the likes of him? But he has chosen to piggyback on one who has reached expert level in self confusion.
 

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This is out of the Saul Alinsky playbook and is EXACTLY what the NAZI Party did in the 1930s to stifle speech. They physically restricted free speech. The left is behind this and is being funded by the DNC, Soros, etc....they are bragging about doing it and the media is not only giving them a pass but then blaming Trump for causing riots at his own events...good grief this country has lost itself.
 

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Fair enough. Is Trump wrong for demanding that immigrants enter this country LEGALLY. Is Trump wrong for demanding that ME immigrants be properly vetted before being allowed to enter our country?

If that was all he said there wouldn't be an issue.
Saying "they are sending their rapists and murderers, etc." goes a little too far. With me, over generalizations are one of my biggest irritants (besides hemorrhoids) so somebody that speaks like that gets an immediate "no" from me.

He also didn't JUST say that he wanted ME immigrants to be properly vetted, he said that he wanted to block all Muslims from entering "until we can figure out what's going on". He also wanted to place extra surveillance on mosques in the US. That also goes too far.

There was a story recently about a Muslim at a Trump rally holding a sign that said "stop the Muslim hate speech" or something along those lines. Of course he was thrown out and had some things said to him as he was being led out. Turns out he is an ex-military member that is currently working on a program to provide assistance dogs to other ex-military. A Muslim that fought for our country is thrown out of a rally for holding a sign asking to stop the hate speech.

BTW, I'd really love a Trump Steak, can anybody tell me where I can order one? (before anybody goes looking, then answer is that you can't ... He stood on a stage with steaks that he said were Trump Steaks to try to prove a point, but they weren't Trump Steaks .... at this point it's hard to tell who the biggest liar in the campaign is)
 

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If that was all he said there wouldn't be an issue.
Saying "they are sending their rapists and murderers, etc." goes a little too far. With me, over generalizations are one of my biggest irritants (besides hemorrhoids) so somebody that speaks like that gets an immediate "no" from me.

He also didn't JUST say that he wanted ME immigrants to be properly vetted, he said that he wanted to block all Muslims from entering "until we can figure out what's going on". He also wanted to place extra surveillance on mosques in the US. That also goes too far.

There was a story recently about a Muslim at a Trump rally holding a sign that said "stop the Muslim hate speech" or something along those lines. Of course he was thrown out and had some things said to him as he was being led out. Turns out he is an ex-military member that is currently working on a program to provide assistance dogs to other ex-military. A Muslim that fought for our country is thrown out of a rally for holding a sign asking to stop the hate speech.

BTW, I'd really love a Trump Steak, can anybody tell me where I can order one? (before anybody goes looking, then answer is that you can't ... He stood on a stage with steaks that he said were Trump Steaks to try to prove a point, but they weren't Trump Steaks .... at this point it's hard to tell who the biggest liar in the campaign is)
Trump's inability to filter what he says before he says it is one of his big faults. It's only after he's had a chance to re-speak his thoughts, after saying that he was 'misrepresented' by the press that he recarves his words into something more palatable. He blames the press, but this is all his fault for not getting it out right the first time. Like I said, he has no filter.
 

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BTW, I'd really love a Trump Steak, can anybody tell me where I can order one? (before anybody goes looking, then answer is that you can't ... He stood on a stage with steaks that he said were Trump Steaks to try to prove a point, but they weren't Trump Steaks .... at this point it's hard to tell who the biggest liar in the campaign is)
Where are you going regarding Trump Steaks? Is that a company that failed? Don't most newly organized companies fail? I thought that was the suggestion when it was first brought up. Maybe I should wait for your question before I attempt to answer
 

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Trump's inability to filter what he says before he says it is one of his big faults. It's only after he's had a chance to re-speak his thoughts, after saying that he was 'misrepresented' by the press that he recarves his words into something more palatable. He blames the press, but this is all his fault for not getting it out right the first time. Like I said, he has no filter.

But he has great words .... [pfftt]
 

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Trump's inability to filter what he says before he says it is one of his big faults. It's only after he's had a chance to re-speak his thoughts, after saying that he was 'misrepresented' by the press that he recarves his words into something more palatable. He blames the press, but this is all his fault for not getting it out right the first time. Like I said, he has no filter.
Obama uses Josh Ernest to correct his spoken errors the next day. Hillary use that arrogant woman for the same purpose. Kerry has a couple people to do his rephrasing the next day. Who does Trump use for these corrections? You got it, he does his own,
 
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Obama uses Josh Ernest to correct his spoken errors the next day. Hillary use that arrogant woman for the same purpose. Kerry has a couple people to do his rephrasing the next day. Who does Trump use for these corrections? You got it, he does his own,
LOL...Pretty obvious that he really sucks at it.
 

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If that was all he said there wouldn't be an issue.
Saying "they are sending their rapists and murderers, etc." goes a little too far. With me, over generalizations are one of my biggest irritants (besides hemorrhoids) so somebody that speaks like that gets an immediate "no" from me.

He also didn't JUST say that he wanted ME immigrants to be properly vetted, he said that he wanted to block all Muslims from entering "until we can figure out what's going on". He also wanted to place extra surveillance on mosques in the US. That also goes too far.

There was a story recently about a Muslim at a Trump rally holding a sign that said "stop the Muslim hate speech" or something along those lines. Of course he was thrown out and had some things said to him as he was being led out. Turns out he is an ex-military member that is currently working on a program to provide assistance dogs to other ex-military. A Muslim that fought for our country is thrown out of a rally for holding a sign asking to stop the hate speech.

BTW, I'd really love a Trump Steak, can anybody tell me where I can order one? (before anybody goes looking, then answer is that you can't ... He stood on a stage with steaks that he said were Trump Steaks to try to prove a point, but they weren't Trump Steaks .... at this point it's hard to tell who the biggest liar in the campaign is)
One leader is "misrepresented" the other frequently "misremembers"