Trump to issue Executive Orders on Tuesday to kill Obama's environmental policies

[WVPATX]

Trump Readies ‘Energy Independence’ Order To Repeal Obama Climate Policies

MICHAEL BASTASCH


President Donald Trump will issue a sweeping “energy independence” executive order Tuesday to dismantle signature global warming policies put in place by the Obama administration.

Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt told ABC News Trump would issue the order tomorrow to make “sure that we have a pro-growth and pro-environment approach to how we do regulation in this country.”

“The executive order is going to address the past administration’s effort to kill jobs across this country through the Clean Power Plan,” Pruitt told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos of the “energy independence” executive order on Sunday.

Trump promised to eliminate “job-killing” energy regulations during his campaign, specifically rolling back an EPA regulation limiting greenhouse gas emissions on power plants — the Clean Power Plan (CPP).




Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/27/t...-repeal-obama-climate-policies/#ixzz4cY5pBBo9

 

[Keyser76]

Yay, who needs the environment.

 

[WVPATX]

Yay, who needs the environment.

Clear air and clean water does not require destroying fossil fuels, destroying entire communities, destroy large parts of states, etc. The EPA admitted their Clean Power Regulations would reduce global warming by .001%. Is that worth all the destruction this regulation cost us?

 

[moe]

Clear air and clean water does not require destroying fossil fuels, destroying entire communities, destroy large parts of states, etc. The EPA admitted their Clean Power Regulations would reduce global warming by .001%. Is that worth all the destruction this regulation cost us?

How many nat gas jobs were created with power plants needing it to fire boilers at peaker plants? at former coal plants that were switched over? retrofitting those plants? How are fossil fuels (coal) "destroyed" by leaving them in the ground? I better start buying real estate in Welch so as to beat the land rush.

 

[WVPATX]

How many nat gas jobs were created with power plants needing it to fire boilers at peaker plants? at former coal plants that were switched over? retrofitting those plants? How are fossil fuels (coal) "destroyed" by leaving them in the ground? I better start buying real estate in Welch so as to beat the land rush.

Your post makes little sense. I am talking about destroying jobs. Leaving coal in the ground destroys jobs. This is not that difficult. Hillary opposed fracking, which would destroy even more jobs. And they are great, high paying jobs.

 

[moe]

Your post makes little sense

That's your favorite line when you can't respond to the points of a post. Your post said "clean air and clean water does not require destroying fossil fuels"... Stop making stupid posts and I won't quote them.

 

[WVPATX]

That's your favorite line when you can't respond to the points of a post. Your post said "clean air and clean water does not require destroying fossil fuels"... Stop making stupid posts and I won't quote them.

If you don't have the base intelligence to grasp what I meant, then I can't help you. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Lots and lots of energy jobs.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

Trump Readies ‘Energy Independence’ Order To Repeal Obama Climate Policies

MICHAEL BASTASCH


President Donald Trump will issue a sweeping “energy independence” executive order Tuesday to dismantle signature global warming policies put in place by the Obama administration.

Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt told ABC News Trump would issue the order tomorrow to make “sure that we have a pro-growth and pro-environment approach to how we do regulation in this country.”

“The executive order is going to address the past administration’s effort to kill jobs across this country through the Clean Power Plan,” Pruitt told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos of the “energy independence” executive order on Sunday.

Trump promised to eliminate “job-killing” energy regulations during his campaign, specifically rolling back an EPA regulation limiting greenhouse gas emissions on power plants — the Clean Power Plan (CPP).




Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/27/t...-repeal-obama-climate-policies/#ixzz4cY5pBBo9

why did he wait so long?

 

[WVPATX]

why did he wait so long?

That is my only gripe. But remember, according to the very, very liberal media, Trump is getting nothing done.

 

[moe]

If you don't have the base intelligence to grasp what I meant, then I can't help you. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Lots and lots of energy jobs.

So you're kind of illiterate like Trump, we just have to guess what you're talking about. Got it.

 

[Boomboom521]

Glory....now business will not have the protection of God's work hindering their ability to make money or help me make money. Glory to....wait....maybe God's a little pissed? Oh well, not like he pays my cable bill! Glory to money!

 

[dave]

So you're kind of illiterate like Trump, we just have to guess what you're talking about. Got it.

If you had to guess what he was talking about based on his comment you probably shouldn't refer to anyone as illiterate.

 

[dave]

Glory....now business will not have the protection of God's work hindering their ability to make money or help me make money. Glory to....wait....maybe God's a little pissed? Oh well, not like he pays my cable bill! Glory to money!

Dont talk crazy. There were olenty of regulations prior to the Obama abortion. These rollbacks wont ruin the environment, just his agenda.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

President Donald Trump will sign an order on Tuesday aimed at making it easier for companies to produce energy in the United States, administration officials said on Sunday.

Under Trump, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is aiming to aggressively roll back Obama-era environmental regulations.

Trump plans to sign the executive order at the EPA to reduce "unnecessary regulatory obstacles that restrict the responsible use of domestic energy resources," a White House official said.

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt told ABC's "This Week" the order would help reverse the Obama administration's anti-fossil fuel strategy.

Pruitt has publicly doubted the scientific consensus that human actions are the lead cause of climate change. His installation at the EPA last month reinforced the view on both sides of the political divide that America is ceding its position as a leader in the global fight on climate change.

 

[Boomboom521]

Dont talk crazy. There were olenty of regulations prior to the Obama abortion. These rollbacks wont ruin the environment, just his agenda.

Yeah, yeah....I liked that agenda, so I'm bitter. I like an America moving forward, not digging in the past. The thing with progress...it always feels a little uncomfortable for a while.

 

[WVPATX]

So you're kind of illiterate like Trump, we just have to guess what you're talking about. Got it.

No, anyone with an IQ of 60 would understand but that may explain why you don't.

 

[eerdoc]

Yay, who needs the environment.

Relationship only in the mind of one willing to only view limited facts or lacks ability to consider more than a single aspect of a topic at the same time.

 

[WVPATX]

Yeah, yeah....I liked that agenda, so I'm bitter. I like an America moving forward, not digging in the past. The thing with progress...it always feels a little uncomfortable for a while.

Boom, let's look at how Obama moved us "forward." His EPA signed the Clean Power Plan. By the EPA's own testimony, it lowered global warming by .001%. Yet, it had the impact of incredible job destruction in the coal sector and ancillary industries. These jobs held mostly by high school graduates paid a great deal of money.

We all want clean air and water, but we don't want to destroy jobs or industries to achieve very, very minimal results. We can have both a vibrant economy that creates jobs for the middle class and a clean environment. It doesn't have to be either or.

 

[Boomboom521]

Boom, let's look at how Obama moved us "forward." His EPA signed the Clean Power Plan. By the EPA's own testimony, it lowered global warming by .001%. Yet, it had the impact of incredible job destruction in the coal sector and ancillary industries. These jobs held mostly by high school graduates paid a great deal of money.

We all want clean air and water, but we don't want to destroy jobs or industries to achieve very, very minimal results. We can have both a vibrant economy that creates jobs for the middle class and a clean environment. It doesn't have to be either or.

Americans adapt and overcome....progress would be those people finding jobs in different fields, or for different means of energy production

 

[WVPATX]

Americans adapt and overcome....progress would be those people finding jobs in different fields, or for different means of energy production

You make it sound so easy Boom. Let's look at a scenario. You have a coal miner in WV. He earns $100K+ per year. He takes care of his family and his extended family. The town depends on those coal jobs and creates other jobs to service that demand. Manufacturing plants to design and build underground equipment, restaurants, hotels, bars, etc.

Now, the mine closes. Businesses shutter. The miner, with a high school diploma and a family and extended family to support is in big trouble. What field is he going to enter that will pay nearly as much as he used to make? What job can he get locally? Does he have to move? If so, what about his extended family, friends, church, trips to Morgantown (lol), in other words picking up and moving is not nearly as easy for many, many people based on their circumstances.

Adaptation sounds so easy but if you are a 50+ year old man, it is extremely difficult. Why do all this damage for .001% improvement in global warming? Where is the cost/benefit Boom? You damage so many lives for so little. It was unnecessary and very destructive. It is not moving forward, it is hurting average, everyday Americans.

 

[moe]

You make it sound so easy Boom. Let's look at a scenario. You have a coal miner in WV. He earns $100K+ per year. He takes care of his family and his extended family. The town depends on those coal jobs and creates other jobs to service that demand. Manufacturing plants to design and build underground equipment, restaurants, hotels, bars, etc.

Now, the mine closes. Businesses shutter. The miner, with a high school diploma and a family and extended family to support is in big trouble. What field is he going to enter that will pay nearly as much as he used to make? What job can he get locally? Does he have to move? If so, what about his extended family, friends, church, trips to Morgantown (lol), in other words picking up and moving is not nearly as easy for many, many people based on their circumstances.

Adaptation sounds so easy but if you are a 50+ year old man, it is extremely difficult. Why do all this damage for .001% improvement in global warming? Where is the cost/benefit Boom? You damage so many lives for so little. It was unnecessary and very destructive. It is not moving forward, it is hurting average, everyday Americans.

Why do you ignore the nat gas jobs that have been created? equally well paying, it's a push and the air is cleaner, fewer mountains tore down, etc.

 

[WVPATX]

Why do you ignore the nat gas jobs that have been created? equally well paying, it's a push and the air is cleaner, fewer mountains tore down, etc.

Why do you ignore the men and women hurt tremendously by this order? Why do you ignore the towns and communities nearly destroyed? How do you know the jobs are equal in both number and pay? And where were those jobs created? Where were they lost? Travel though southern WV and tell me that nat gas has meant no harm to them, their families, their livelihood, etc.

 

[moe]

Boom, let's look at how Obama moved us "forward." His EPA signed the Clean Power Plan. By the EPA's own testimony, it lowered global warming by .001%.

We were a leader in climate change regulation, that will end soon which I'm sure thrills many of your type. The world will miss our leadership on this issue. The future is the diminishing use of fossil fuels for energy generation.

 

[WVPATX]

We were a leader in climate change regulation, that will end soon which I'm sure thrills many of your type. The world will miss our leadership on this issue. The future is the diminishing use of fossil fuels for energy generation.

.001% improvement and we don't even know yet the degree of man's role. All Obama did was destroy livelihoods, communities, sections of states, for what? Leadership? OMG. That's not leadership, that is economic malpractice. But what do you expect from a guy who wrote in his book, that in his only private sector job, he wrote to his mother that he felt like he was behind enemy lines. Wow.

 

[Boomboom521]

You make it sound so easy Boom. Let's look at a scenario. You have a coal miner in WV. He earns $100K+ per year. He takes care of his family and his extended family. The town depends on those coal jobs and creates other jobs to service that demand. Manufacturing plants to design and build underground equipment, restaurants, hotels, bars, etc.

Now, the mine closes. Businesses shutter. The miner, with a high school diploma and a family and extended family to support is in big trouble. What field is he going to enter that will pay nearly as much as he used to make? What job can he get locally? Does he have to move? If so, what about his extended family, friends, church, trips to Morgantown (lol), in other words picking up and moving is not nearly as easy for many, many people based on their circumstances.

Adaptation sounds so easy but if you are a 50+ year old man, it is extremely difficult. Why do all this damage for .001% improvement in global warming? Where is the cost/benefit Boom? You damage so many lives for so little. It was unnecessary and very destructive. It is not moving forward, it is hurting average, everyday Americans.

You say it's just a slight aid to the environment....I'm not so sure....and I would because it's going to happen at some point soon anyway. I'd offer assistance for those that have worked their lives for the industry that basically raped our state for decades.

 

[WVPATX]

You say it's just a slight aid to the environment....I'm not so sure....and I would because it's going to happen at some point soon anyway. I'd offer assistance for those that have worked their lives for the industry that basically raped our state for decades.

Well, the EPA was sure. Those are their stats. As for coal, it employed at one point hundreds of thousands of miners and even after technology and innovation reduced that number significantly, it still employed a huge number in both mining and ancillary businesses. Huge loss for the state. I don't know where you live, but drive through southern WV and see the results. Talk to the people there.

 

[moe]

Why do you ignore the men and women hurt tremendously by this order? Why do you ignore the towns and communities nearly destroyed? How do you know the jobs are equal in both number and pay? And where were those jobs created? Where were they lost? Travel though southern WV and tell me that nat gas has meant no harm to them, their families, their livelihood, etc.

You started the thread and are trying to make a case for the EO while only considering one side. Myself and others are just pointing out that you're ignoring half or more of the issue. The world changes, things don't always stay the same. Sometimes you have to move to find work...I've had to move my whole life to stay employed. People can do that. Adapt and survive, increase or change your skills or deal with the consequences. You're going to get your way, the carbon rules and water regs will be rolled back. I don't think that it will make a lot of difference in the coal fields. A few jobs will come back but not enough to make a big difference. Powder River and Illinois are kicking Appalachian coal mining's ***. The coal towns you speak have been on a steady downhill slide that began decades before BO ever took office. You and Trump will learn soon that it's not so easy to make things like they used to be.

 

[EEResistable]

Glory....now business will not have the protection of God's work hindering their ability to make money or help me make money. Glory to....wait....maybe God's a little pissed? Oh well, not like he pays my cable bill! Glory to money!

Lol. Like you believe in God. You libbies worship the government.

 

[WVPATX]

You started the thread and are trying to make a case for the EO while only considering one side. Myself and others are just pointing out that you're ignoring half or more of the issue. The world changes, things don't always stay the same. Sometimes you have to move to find work...I've had to move my whole life to stay employed. People can do that. Adapt and survive, increase or change your skills or deal with the consequences. You're going to get your way, the carbon rules and water regs will be rolled back. I don't think that it will make a lot of difference in the coal fields. A few jobs will come back but not enough to make a big difference. Powder River and Illinois are kicking Appalachian coal mining's ***. The coal towns you speak have been on a steady downhill slide that began decades before BO ever took office. You and Trump will learn soon that it's not so easy to make things like they used to be.

Obama ruled with a pen and a phone and now all of that is going to be gone. That's what happens when you don't lead, you don't create laws that are long-standing.

And you were so very callous about all those people destroyed by his policies. And I thought Democrats were supposed to be compassionate.

Please tell me how that 45 to 50-year-old or even 60-year-old miner is going to replace his $100,000 per year salary? You're dreaming.

And all of this for a .001% reduction in global warming him. What a Great decision.

And I have moved many many times for my career, but always to improve my economic outlook. Not so for these miners. They have almost no chance to do so.
.

 

[dave]

Why do you ignore the nat gas jobs that have been created? equally well paying, it's a push and the air is cleaner, fewer mountains tore down, etc.

Natural gas doesnt make the air that much cleaner and there is plenty of earth moved.
Who is suggesting that one group of jobs is more important than the other? Coal companies are profitting highly from the natural gas industry while supplying less jobs and tax dollars.

 

[moe]

Obama ruled with a pen and a phone and now all of that is going to be gone. That's what happens when you don't lead, you don't create laws that are long-standing.

And you were so very callous about all those people destroyed by his policies. And I thought Democrats were supposed to be compassionate.

Please tell me how that 45 to 50-year-old or even 60-year-old miner is going to replace his $100,000 per year salary? You're dreaming.

And all of this for a .001% reduction in global warming him. What a Great decision.

And I have moved many many times for my career, but always to improve my economic outlook. Not so for these miners. They have almost no chance to do so.
.

Look out west at old mining towns, eventually it is no longer economically viable to continue mining. It's just a reality. They're lucky there that they can ski down those big mountains. The WV legislator who suggested a 50k acre lake in southern WV to rival Smith Mtn. Lake probably has the best idea. Just do it.

 

[Boomboom521]

Look out west at old mining towns, eventually it is no longer economically viable to continue mining. It's just a reality. They're lucky there that they can ski down those big mountains. The WV legislator who suggested a 50k acre lake in southern WV to rival Smith Mtn. Lake probably has the best idea. Just do it.

^^^this^^^ I just things to get better in the long run for WV....doesn't happen through coal

 

[dave]

^^^this^^^ I just things to get better in the long run for WV....doesn't happen through coal

Coal doesnt stop anyone from building a lake. Look at the Gad Dam in Summersville.

 

[WVPATX]

Look out west at old mining towns, eventually it is no longer economically viable to continue mining. It's just a reality. They're lucky there that they can ski down those big mountains. The WV legislator who suggested a 50k acre lake in southern WV to rival Smith Mtn. Lake probably has the best idea. Just do it.

If coal had been dramatically hurt in WV due to capitalistic forces (innovation, for example), then I would accept that. It would likely have happened over a period of time giving the people more time to adapt.

It did not happen that way. The EPA forced utilities to shutter coal fired plants. And all for a .001% improvement in global warming and we still don't know man's role or degree of responsibility. The great damage done was by government edict not the market.

BTW, the world is burning one heck of a lot of coal for something that is not economically viable. More to the point, utilities are not going to shutter coal fired plants very easily if market forces are the issue. They have huge capital investments in those plants that they need to protect. Nat gas is certainly a competitor but nat gas alone would not have caused this carnage in WV.

BTW, how many people working at that lake are making over $100K per year? Low paying tourism jobs are part of an answer to diversification in WV but certainly not the answer to significantly raise middle class wages.

 

[WVPATX]

^^^this^^^ I just things to get better in the long run for WV....doesn't happen through coal

It amazes me how callous you guys are. You seem to have zero compassion for the families impacted by this government overreach. I wish you could talk to some of the families, as I have. It might give you an entirely different perspective. You might better understand their circumstances. You might gain some empathy.

 

[moe]

It amazes me how callous you guys are. You seem to have zero compassion for the families impacted by this government overreach. I wish you could talk to some of the families, as I have. It might give you an entirely different perspective. You might better understand their circumstances. You might gain some empathy.

As usual your understanding of things is way off. I live in a coal county, spend a lot more time in those counties than you do and work daily to put miners back to work so get over yourself.

 

[moe]

If coal had been dramatically hurt in WV due to capitalistic forces (innovation, for example), then I would accept that. It would likely have happened over a period of time giving the people more time to adapt.

It did not happen that way. The EPA forced utilities to shutter coal fired plants. And all for a .001% improvement in global warming and we still don't know man's role or degree of responsibility. The great damage done was by government edict not the market.

BTW, the world is burning one heck of a lot of coal for something that is not economically viable. More to the point, utilities are not going to shutter coal fired plants very easily if market forces are the issue. They have huge capital investments in those plants that they need to protect. Nat gas is certainly a competitor but nat gas alone would not have caused this carnage in WV.

BTW, how many people working at that lake are making over $100K per year? Low paying tourism jobs are part of an answer to diversification in WV but certainly not the answer to significantly raise middle class wages.

After reviewing the table, tell me again how BO destroyed coal industry employment. The economic viability of coal depends on the specific mining/market situation and it's not so good in WV as I've already explained to you.

 

[dave]

As usual your understanding of things is way off. I live in a coal county, spend a lot more time in those counties than you do and work daily to put miners back to work so get over yourself.

Lmao.

 

[atlkvb]

Trump Readies ‘Energy Independence’ Order To Repeal Obama Climate Policies

MICHAEL BASTASCH


President Donald Trump will issue a sweeping “energy independence” executive order Tuesday to dismantle signature global warming policies put in place by the Obama administration.

Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt told ABC News Trump would issue the order tomorrow to make “sure that we have a pro-growth and pro-environment approach to how we do regulation in this country.”

“The executive order is going to address the past administration’s effort to kill jobs across this country through the Clean Power Plan,” Pruitt told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos of the “energy independence” executive order on Sunday.

Trump promised to eliminate “job-killing” energy regulations during his campaign, specifically rolling back an EPA regulation limiting greenhouse gas emissions on power plants — the Clean Power Plan (CPP).




Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/27/t...-repeal-obama-climate-policies/#ixzz4cY5pBBo9

Good. More please.

 

[atlkvb]

tell me again how BO destroyed coal industry employment.

He said he was going to "put them out of business" and not let them mine any more coal.

He kept THAT promise at least.