Turner Gill
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and that we should stay away from Gill because of his race? If so, I'm speechless. The guy turned the absolute WORST Division I team around in 2 years. He can obviously coach. If you were implying something else, then nevermind.
That is what I was trying to get him to admit. If that is a case he is obviously a racist hick and doesn't warrant the discussion.BriantheDawg said:
There is a boatload of dumbasses. I am one myself on plenty of occasions, but when racist ******** rears its ****** head, it doesn't last long here. You get called out. As one should.
Furthermore, it became clear to me the majority of Croom haters on this board - which pretty much is this board - did so based on his record and measurable qualities, which, really is the highest example of equality. It didn't matter that Croom was black. He was subject to the same critique as any white coach would have been. Which is an acheivement in and of itself.
For this thread in particular, Turner Gill has turned around perhaps the most historically ****** program of them all. His name should be considered based on that alone. Is it the best we can do? Maybe not, but he will get a chance at the bigtime, and my guess is he will kill.
Every head football coaching hire is an experiment. Every one.
Furthermore, it became clear to me the majority of Croom haters on this board - which pretty much is this board - did so based on his record and measurable qualities, which, really is the highest example of equality. It didn't matter that Croom was black. He was subject to the same critique as any white coach would have been. Which is an acheivement in and of itself.
For this thread in particular, Turner Gill has turned around perhaps the most historically ****** program of them all. His name should be considered based on that alone. Is it the best we can do? Maybe not, but he will get a chance at the bigtime, and my guess is he will kill.
Every head football coaching hire is an experiment. Every one.
it has to do with political correctness. We could have hired Leech back when we got Croom but we did it to keep the NCAA off of our ***. My question is this: why is that a little know Buffalo coach is the center of the coaching worlds attention. What about the coaches at Ball State/Central Michigan/Western Michigan who, by the way, all finished with better records than Buffalo. There are plenty of small major colleges that are winning with very little.
Why is this guy the cat's meow?
Why is this guy the cat's meow?
Thsi thread was definitely about race. He is getting mentioned because he has historically the worst team in football winning. Say what you want but "I mean, didnt we do this 5 years ago" was him implying us hiring a black coach. That is a racial remark
vandaldawg said:
Let me be clear, I am not a racist! The reason I don't want Gill is because he is not the right hire for MSU. He has done well at Buffalo, but he has a overall loosing record. If we are going to take that next step like Greg says then don't hire Gill. I would be done if we hire Bower, Terry Bowden or some others.
What is right about him? Gill is 14 - 21 at freaking Buffalo. He's 7 - 5 this season at freaking Buffalo. How on earth does this even come close to qualifying him to be the head coach at an SEC school? It hardly qualifies him to be a coordinator at an SEC school and the argument could certainly be made that it doesn't even qualify that.
It's about the fact that this guy is the media darling right now and there are plenty of other coaches who have done 10 times more than him. I'm not going to back down because I really have been asking the questions as to why this guy is being talked up so much.
All I've seen and heard is that he won at Buffalo and they are currently 7-5. What about BALL ST.? WHAT ABOUT WESTERN MICHIGAN?
I don't think anyone on this board has heard of Bill Cubit, but everybody knows of Turner Gill.
Why?
All I've seen and heard is that he won at Buffalo and they are currently 7-5. What about BALL ST.? WHAT ABOUT WESTERN MICHIGAN?
I don't think anyone on this board has heard of Bill Cubit, but everybody knows of Turner Gill.
Why?
every team he beat this year had a losing record except 1 who was 6-6. The teams they beat went a combined 30-53. And they also lost to a 4-8 kent st. team. Despite how bad Buffalo use to be, that's just not that impressive to me. I would rather have Dooley than Gill. At least Dooley has some SEC experience. Gill may turn out to be an outstanding coach, but the only thing he has shown me right now is that he can beat bad football teams.
Buffalo is absolutely the hardest place to win in Division I-A. Here's their I-A records before they hired Turner Gill:
<table width="90%"> <tbody> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2005">2005</a></td> <td>1</td> <td>10</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2004">2004</a></td> <td>2</td> <td>9</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2003">2003</a></td> <td>1</td> <td>11</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2002">2002</a></td> <td>1</td> <td>11</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2001">2001</a></td> <td>3</td> <td>8</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2000">2000</a></td> <td>2</td> <td>9</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="1999">1999</a></td> <td>0</td> <td>11</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
Gill went 2-10 in his first season and is 12-11 since and has them playing for their conference championship this year. That's pretty damn impressive.
<table width="90%"> <tbody> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2005">2005</a></td> <td>1</td> <td>10</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2004">2004</a></td> <td>2</td> <td>9</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2003">2003</a></td> <td>1</td> <td>11</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2002">2002</a></td> <td>1</td> <td>11</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2001">2001</a></td> <td>3</td> <td>8</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="2000">2000</a></td> <td>2</td> <td>9</td> <td></td> <td></td> </tr> <tr align="middle"> <td><a name="1999">1999</a></td> <td>0</td> <td>11</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
Gill went 2-10 in his first season and is 12-11 since and has them playing for their conference championship this year. That's pretty damn impressive.
Actually I would say it's hardly that impressive. He might turn out to actually be a good coach. But winning some games at "absolutely the hardest place to win in Division I-A (your opinion) does not qualify him to come be a head coach in the SEC. He's going to need to go somewhere else first. I'm sure there are other coaches that have done just as much as he has in crap conferences also.
I mean, he went 7-5 at Buffalo. Hmmm. Reminds me of another coach who took over a program that NOBODY can win at. Hmmm. That coach went 8-5 and took a team to its first bowl game in 6 years. Hmmm. That coach was coach of the year in his conference. Hmmm. That coach is now unemployed.
I'm just not getting this. Not about race. Has to do with the fact this guy is all over the radar for having 1 ok season at Buffalo.
I'm just not getting this. Not about race. Has to do with the fact this guy is all over the radar for having 1 ok season at Buffalo.
Find me a Division I team that won fewer games than Buffalo during that time span and I'll condede the point. Until then, Buffalo is the hardest place to win in Divison I-A. People used to say that winning games at little Youngstown State didn't qualify Jim Tressell to coach at Ohio State either. Seems to have worked out OK for them with 1 national title and 2 other championship game appearances.Dawg in a pile said:
But the only comparison that could be made between Croom and Gill is they are both black, which I believe is what this whole thing is about anyway. Croom had NEVER been head coach. He was only an OC twice and failed both times. He had been out of the college game for 17 years. He was a position coach in the NFL when we hired him to be head coach.
By contrast Gill is a current D1 head coach. He has Buffalo, a program that is just terrible in every sense of the word, in a bowl game. He is currently involved in recruiting, developing players, dealing with modern college athletes, etc. Again, I'm not saying we need to go out and hire Gill, but there is no comparison between him and Croom. He's way, way more qualified today than Croom was 5 years ago.
By contrast Gill is a current D1 head coach. He has Buffalo, a program that is just terrible in every sense of the word, in a bowl game. He is currently involved in recruiting, developing players, dealing with modern college athletes, etc. Again, I'm not saying we need to go out and hire Gill, but there is no comparison between him and Croom. He's way, way more qualified today than Croom was 5 years ago.
Just curious. Yet again, all I've heard is Turner Gill. What about Brady Hoke @ Ball St.? Haven't seen his name on the radar. This morning in B-ham, Jay Barker requested that Auburn should at least interview Turner Gill or even Charlie Strong.
Another question, where was the minority interviews during the Alabama search which hired Saban?
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Another question, where was the minority interviews during the Alabama search which hired Saban?
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