Two overt racists running for head of DNC

[WVPATX]

We all know of Keith Ellison's racism, it goes back many years. But this lady, who I have never heard of, is a different kind of racist. I sincerely hope the Dems continue the identity politics strategy.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/23/w...ill-be-to-shut-other-white-people-down-video/

 

[BombadEER]

We all know of Keith Ellison's racism, it goes back many years. But this lady, who I have never heard of, if a different kind of racist:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/23/w...ill-be-to-shut-other-white-people-down-video/

2 ? You better check on a few more

 

[WVUCOOPER]

We all know of Keith Ellison's racism, it goes back many years. But this lady, who I have never heard of, is a different kind of racist. I sincerely hope the Dems continue the identity politics strategy.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/23/w...ill-be-to-shut-other-white-people-down-video/

Pro union, anti-free trade and now the race card??? And supposedly I'm the liberal? lmao

 

[WVPATX]

Pro union, anti-free trade and now the race card??? And supposedly I'm the liberal? lmao

You are a lib. Admit it, it will set you free. The race card is a liberal tactic. Always has been, always will be until they have several more defeats nationally. Identity politics is dying. I am for free trade, but it must be fair. We can't allow the Chinese to manipulate their currency. We can't allow countries to dump products in the U.S. We have to make things again so that non college educated people can still have upward mobility. I am not in favor of Trump's tariff on US companies that move overseas and then resell into the U.S. market. I much prefer carrots, lower taxes, repatriation of profits, etc. to keep them here.

As for unions, I am never been against private trade unions, only public sector unions as was FDR, for example. He knew the dangers and expressed them.

 

[moe]

We have to make things again

Total production of U.S. factories peaked in 2007 before falling by 18% during the Great Recession, according to the Federal Reserve’s industrial production report, which measures the volume of goods produced rather than the market value of those goods. The manufacturing sector has nearly recovered from the recession; output in 2015 was within 3% of the 2007 level.
Opinion: Think nothing is made in America? Output has doubled in three decades
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us...utput-has-doubled-in-three-decades-2016-03-28

 

[WVPATX]

Total production of U.S. factories peaked in 2007 before falling by 18% during the Great Recession, according to the Federal Reserve’s industrial production report, which measures the volume of goods produced rather than the market value of those goods. The manufacturing sector has nearly recovered from the recession; output in 2015 was within 3% of the 2007 level.
Opinion: Think nothing is made in America? Output has doubled in three decades
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us...utput-has-doubled-in-three-decades-2016-03-28

Facts are stubborn things: 5,000,000 manufacturing jobs lost since 2000.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/29/news/economy/us-manufacturing-jobs/

Over 300,000 manufacturing jobs lost under Obama:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...bs-weve-lost-since-obama-took-office-n2253843

42,000 factories closed since 2001.

http://prospect.org/article/plight-american-manufacturing

From your own article under Conclusion:

American manufacturing isn’t dead by any means. But the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs has devastated the working class, and made reaching the American dream more difficult. Technological advancements and the rise of low-skilled manufacturing in China and other developing nations mean that fewer Americans work in factories, just as technological advancements 100 years ago meant that fewer Americans worked on farms.

Most Americans now work in service-producing industries, where inequalities in opportunities, skills and incomes are more apparent. Recreating an economy that provides equitable growth won’t be easy, especially if we pine for the good old days when a third of us worked at the factory.

Those days are gone for good, even if U.S. factories still churn out lots of items that are Made in the USA.

 

[WVUBRU]

Coop is not a liberal. He is anti stupidity which means you have issues with his comments.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

You are a lib. Admit it, it will set you free. The race card is a liberal tactic. Always has been, always will be until they have several more defeats nationally. Identity politics is dying. I am for free trade, but it must be fair. We can't allow the Chinese to manipulate their currency. We can't allow countries to dump products in the U.S. We have to make things again so that non college educated people can still have upward mobility. I am not in favor of Trump's tariff on US companies that move overseas and then resell into the U.S. market. I much prefer carrots, lower taxes, repatriation of profits, etc. to keep them here.

As for unions, I am never been against private trade unions, only public sector unions as was FDR, for example. He knew the dangers and expressed them.

You're the one playing the race card, being pro union, being anti- free trade, etc. Somehow that makes me liberal. Next you'll be pushing minimum wage and maternity leave!

 

[moe]

Facts are stubborn things: 5,000,000 manufacturing jobs lost since 2000.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/29/news/economy/us-manufacturing-jobs/

Over 300,000 manufacturing jobs lost under Obama:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...bs-weve-lost-since-obama-took-office-n2253843

42,000 factories closed since 2001.

http://prospect.org/article/plight-american-manufacturing

From your own article under Conclusion:

American manufacturing isn’t dead by any means. But the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs has devastated the working class, and made reaching the American dream more difficult. Technological advancements and the rise of low-skilled manufacturing in China and other developing nations mean that fewer Americans work in factories, just as technological advancements 100 years ago meant that fewer Americans worked on farms.

Most Americans now work in service-producing industries, where inequalities in opportunities, skills and incomes are more apparent. Recreating an economy that provides equitable growth won’t be easy, especially if we pine for the good old days when a third of us worked at the factory.

Those days are gone for good, even if U.S. factories still churn out lots of items that are Made in the USA.

Of course manufacturing employment is down, duh. My post did not address that. I addressed your wrongheaded "we have to make things again" statement. We are at or near all time highs in manufacturing output.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Facts are stubborn things: 5,000,000 manufacturing jobs lost since 2000.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/29/news/economy/us-manufacturing-jobs/

Over 300,000 manufacturing jobs lost under Obama:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...bs-weve-lost-since-obama-took-office-n2253843
.

So, if 5M manufacturing jobs were lost since 2000 and if 300 K manufacturing jobs were lost under Obama, that means 4,700,000 manufacturing jobs were lost under Bush.

Facts are stubborn things.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Facts are stubborn things: 5,000,000 manufacturing jobs lost since 2000.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/29/news/economy/us-manufacturing-jobs/

Over 300,000 manufacturing jobs lost under Obama:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...bs-weve-lost-since-obama-took-office-n2253843

42,000 factories closed since 2001.

http://prospect.org/article/plight-american-manufacturing

From your own article under Conclusion:

American manufacturing isn’t dead by any means. But the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs has devastated the working class, and made reaching the American dream more difficult. Technological advancements and the rise of low-skilled manufacturing in China and other developing nations mean that fewer Americans work in factories, just as technological advancements 100 years ago meant that fewer Americans worked on farms.

Most Americans now work in service-producing industries, where inequalities in opportunities, skills and incomes are more apparent. Recreating an economy that provides equitable growth won’t be easy, especially if we pine for the good old days when a third of us worked at the factory.

Those days are gone for good, even if U.S. factories still churn out lots of items that are Made in the USA.

Hey PATX... help me out on this one. Your first two articles seem to contradict each other. The first one on 5mil manufacturing jobs lost since 2000 has a chart that shows a steady decline from 2000 and then takes an upturn just past the half-way point, I'm guessing somewhere in the 2009-2010 range but it's hard to tell, and then rises again. Obviously this is the post-Recession period and the slow recovery.

But the second article says 300,000 jobs were lost in the Obama administration. Now it would be obvious that since his first term coincided with the already in progress Great Recession that some of those Obama administration early job losses are on his watch. But the chart shows an upward trend after that. Wouldn't that tend to indicate that there was actually a net gain from the all time low point of the chart from the first article?

I'm having a hard time understanding this one; the first article shows a gain but the second one says it's a loss. Which is it? It can't be both, right?

Then another post shows a manufacturing high point in the last several years. It's very confusing.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

So, if 5M manufacturing jobs were lost since 2000 and if 300 K manufacturing jobs were lost under Obama, that means 4,700,000 manufacturing jobs were lost under Bush.

Facts are stubborn things.

Right, and I think we all have acknowledged Dubya wasn't very good. Way to use a low bar as your measuring stick. I bet you are one of the ones that actually care if Marshall fan's approve of our wins.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

So, if 5M manufacturing jobs were lost since 2000 and if 300 K manufacturing jobs were lost under Obama, that means 4,700,000 manufacturing jobs were lost under Bush.

Facts are stubborn things.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." --Mark Twain--

(First quoted in the U.S. by Twain, but attributed to various English politicians as his source, just in the spirit of full disclosure.)

 

[WVPATX]

Coop is not a liberal. He is anti stupidity which means you have issues with his comments.

If you're defending him, it automatically makes him a liberal. It's ok. I love liberals. I love debating liberals. I learn a lot.

 

[WVPATX]

You're the one playing the race card, being pro union, being anti- free trade, etc. Somehow that makes me liberal. Next you'll be pushing minimum wage and maternity leave!

No, I am accurately pointing out the two of the potential heads of the DNC are racists. Based on their opinions and statements.

As I said, and you completely ignored, I am not in favor of tariffs, but rather incentives to keep companies in this country. I am not in favor of allowing the Chinese to manipulate their currency nor am I in favor of allowing countries to dump products below cost. That is called FAIR TRADE.

Not sure why you are opposed to private sector unions. It is their right. I certainly oppose their policy of confiscating dues to support only one party but it is up to the union members to rectify that. Public unions are a far different matter.

BTW, how am I playing the race card?

 

[WVPATX]

So, if 5M manufacturing jobs were lost since 2000 and if 300 K manufacturing jobs were lost under Obama, that means 4,700,000 manufacturing jobs were lost under Bush.

Facts are stubborn things.

I am no Bush fan. We have lost a tremendous number of manufacturing jobs in the U.S. We can't permit that to continue unless we can figure out how to get very good paying jobs for the lower educated members of our society.

 

[WVPATX]

Of course manufacturing employment is down, duh. My post did not address that. I addressed your wrongheaded "we have to make things again" statement. We are at or near all time highs in manufacturing output.

And the very article you cited ended with this statement (you need to read the articles you post):

American manufacturing isn’t dead by any means. But the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs has devastated the working class, and made reaching the American dream more difficult. Technological advancements and the rise of low-skilled manufacturing in China and other developing nations mean that fewer Americans work in factories, just as technological advancements 100 years ago meant that fewer Americans worked on farms.

Most Americans now work in service-producing industries, where inequalities in opportunities, skills and incomes are more apparent. Recreating an economy that provides equitable growth won’t be easy, especially if we pine for the good old days when a third of us worked at the factory.

Those days are gone for good, even if U.S. factories still churn out lots of items that are Made in the USA.

 

[atlkvb]

We all know of Keith Ellison's racism, it goes back many years. But this lady, who I have never heard of, is a different kind of racist. I sincerely hope the Dems continue the identity politics strategy.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/23/w...ill-be-to-shut-other-white-people-down-video/

They would both do us on the right such a favor if they were to make them co-chairs.

Those two would make an excellent face for the "new" Democrat party.

 

[WVPATX]

Hey PATX... help me out on this one. Your first two articles seem to contradict each other. The first one on 5mil manufacturing jobs lost since 2000 has a chart that shows a steady decline from 2000 and then takes an upturn just past the half-way point, I'm guessing somewhere in the 2009-2010 range but it's hard to tell, and then rises again. Obviously this is the post-Recession period and the slow recovery.

But the second article says 300,000 jobs were lost in the Obama administration. Now it would be obvious that since his first term coincided with the already in progress Great Recession that some of those Obama administration early job losses are on his watch. But the chart shows an upward trend after that. Wouldn't that tend to indicate that there was actually a net gain from the all time low point of the chart from the first article?

I'm having a hard time understanding this one; the first article shows a gain but the second one says it's a loss. Which is it? It can't be both, right?

Then another post shows a manufacturing high point in the last several years. It's very confusing.

Let's simplify this. We have lost 5,000,000 manufacturing jobs since 2000. When, where and how we lost those jobs is now irrelevant. The article stating that we have created manufacturing jobs ends with this summary:

American manufacturing isn’t dead by any means. But the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs has devastated the working class, and made reaching the American dream more difficult. Technological advancements and the rise of low-skilled manufacturing in China and other developing nations mean that fewer Americans work in factories, just as technological advancements 100 years ago meant that fewer Americans worked on farms.

Most Americans now work in service-producing industries, where inequalities in opportunities, skills and incomes are more apparent. Recreating an economy that provides equitable growth won’t be easy, especially if we pine for the good old days when a third of us worked at the factory.

Those days are gone for good, even if U.S. factories still churn out lots of items that are Made in the USA.


I think this writer's summary is mistaken. We can rebuild good paying jobs for our lower educated citizens. Keep plants in America through reduced taxes, repatriation of overseas profits, reduced regulations, etc. Take advantage of our enormous energy supplies including exporting particularly products like LNG. Build things again. Rebuild infrastructure. Create more trade schools for those not suited for college life (not everyone has the ability financially or the desire to go to college). We need to provide the hard workers an opportunity to get ahead. The Forgotten Man.

 

[moe]

And the very article you cited ended with this statement (you need to read the articles you post):

American manufacturing isn’t dead by any means. But the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs has devastated the working class, and made reaching the American dream more difficult. Technological advancements and the rise of low-skilled manufacturing in China and other developing nations mean that fewer Americans work in factories, just as technological advancements 100 years ago meant that fewer Americans worked on farms.

Most Americans now work in service-producing industries, where inequalities in opportunities, skills and incomes are more apparent. Recreating an economy that provides equitable growth won’t be easy, especially if we pine for the good old days when a third of us worked at the factory.

Those days are gone for good, even if U.S. factories still churn out lots of items that are Made in the USA.

Huh? That's all very interesting but it has nothing to do with my responses to you showing you that you're wrong, that indeed we still do make things (see my initial post), it just takes way fewer workers to do so and Trump can't change that. Your shtick is so old, always trying to change the subject when you get caught posting nonsense (alternative facts). It doesn't work for Trump and it won't work for you, give it up.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

I think this writer's summary is mistaken. We can rebuild good paying jobs for our lower educated citizens. Keep plants in America through reduced taxes, repatriation of overseas profits, reduced regulations, etc. Take advantage of our enormous energy supplies including exporting particularly products like LNG. Build things again. Rebuild infrastructure. Create more trade schools for those not suited for college life (not everyone has the ability financially or the desire to go to college). We need to provide the hard workers an opportunity to get ahead. The Forgotten Man.

I understand what you mean, but I think you could use a better choice of words; sounds elitist.

However, I think you would be surprised how many manufacturing jobs are held by people with college degrees. This article states that only 20% of manufacturing jobs can be filled by unskilled/non-college educated persons, and that was in 2014, it's probably even less now.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/what-...d-manufacturing-job-these-days-171712072.html

Instead of trade school I'd like to see a way for young people to go to college without encumbering themselves with huge debt. And maybe it's a Community College to just get some kind of advanced education or even an Associates Degree to help to make yourself more employable. Desire and ability are one thing and lacking those there may only be a trade school solution. But I'd like to think a bunch of young people would pursue some kind of college education if it was more financially accessible to them.

I'm not in favor of a Bernie Sanders approach, free college tuition, but maybe have a tax credit post-graduation for tuition or loans at a high percentage. Not sure what the solution is, but limiting some High School grads to only aspiring to trade school drives a bigger wedge in the economic status predicament.

 

[atlkvb]

Huh? That's all very interesting but it has nothing to do with my responses to you showing you that you're wrong, that indeed we still do make things (see my initial post), it just takes way fewer workers to do so and Trump can't change that. Your shtick is so old, always trying to change the subject when you get caught posting nonsense (alternative facts). It doesn't work for Trump and it won't work for you, give it up.

Actually Moe, if you go back and read what I posted in another thread about Trump's strategy to rebuild our manufacturing base especially in inner cities, you will find rich new opportunities about to emerge for us to "make things" in this country again.

The job of rebuilding inner cities across America will require skilled trades, construction, manufacturing, steel, energy, and a variety of other manufacturing based operations to provide supplies, material and equipment driven by increased demand for labor and lots of it.

So I wouldn't be so quick to entirely dismiss our need for a restored manufacturing base, or the labor needed to sustain it.

Trump is working on that as we speak.

 

[WVPATX]

Huh? That's all very interesting but it has nothing to do with my responses to you showing you that you're wrong, that indeed we still do make things (see my initial post), it just takes way fewer workers to do so and Trump can't change that. Your shtick is so old, always trying to change the subject when you get caught posting nonsense (alternative facts). It doesn't work for Trump and it won't work for you, give it up.

Making things up? 5,000,000 million manufacturing jobs lost is making things up? Of course we make things, but those things require fewer workers or highly skilled workers. Thus, 5,000,000 less jobs in manufacturing.

We will see if Trump's program works in keeping plants in the U.S., locating new plants in the U.S. and growing our manufacturing base for the Forgotten Man. I think he is on the right track and he is off to a great start.

Libs amaze me. This is a real plan to bring back middle class jobs, good paying. jobs. You should be for this as champions of the middle class. But your ideology so blinds you, that you are instantly against anything a Republican recommends even if it helps the common man, the Forgotten Man.

 

[atlkvb]

I understand what you mean, but I think you could use a better choice of words; sounds elitist.

However, I think you would be surprised how many manufacturing jobs are held by people with college degrees. This article states that only 20% of manufacturing jobs can be filled by unskilled/non-college educated persons, and that was in 2014, it's probably even less now.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/what-...d-manufacturing-job-these-days-171712072.html

Instead of trade school I'd like to see a way for young people to go to college without encumbering themselves with huge debt. And maybe it's a Community College to just get some kind of advanced education or even an Associates Degree to help to make yourself more employable. Desire and ability are one thing and lacking those there may only be a trade school solution. But I'd like to think a bunch of young people would pursue some kind of college education if it was more financially accessible to them.

I'm not in favor of a Bernie Sanders approach, free college tuition, but maybe have a tax credit post-graduation for tuition or loans at a high percentage. Not sure what the solution is, but limiting some High School grads to only aspiring to trade school drives a bigger wedge in the economic status predicament.

You have some good ideas here in this post especially on Community Colleges and trade schools. We used to teach skilled trades in High school, so when kids graduated they were at least ready for the job market as apprentices. I'd like to see us resuscitate that model, as well as develop business apprenticeships and internships for 2 year associate baccalaureate programs.

I agree with you costs for College are way out of line with many student's ability to pay. An innovative approach I'd favor is Corporate subsidies of specific College degree programs to offset tuition in exchange for tax credits or favorable investment options for newly created venture capital markets as new business opportunities emerge. Sort of like a new jobs investment incubator that could be funded through tax free investments offset by specific tuition grants to Colleges paid for by the profits generated through those capital ventures and staffed by the newly trained and skilled Graduates.

Win-win.

 

[WVPATX]

I understand what you mean, but I think you could use a better choice of words; sounds elitist.

However, I think you would be surprised how many manufacturing jobs are held by people with college degrees. This article states that only 20% of manufacturing jobs can be filled by unskilled/non-college educated persons, and that was in 2014, it's probably even less now.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/what-...d-manufacturing-job-these-days-171712072.html

Instead of trade school I'd like to see a way for young people to go to college without encumbering themselves with huge debt. And maybe it's a Community College to just get some kind of advanced education or even an Associates Degree to help to make yourself more employable. Desire and ability are one thing and lacking those there may only be a trade school solution. But I'd like to think a bunch of young people would pursue some kind of college education if it was more financially accessible to them.

I'm not in favor of a Bernie Sanders approach, free college tuition, but maybe have a tax credit post-graduation for tuition or loans at a high percentage. Not sure what the solution is, but limiting some High School grads to only aspiring to trade school drives a bigger wedge in the economic status predicament.

Almost every "education expert" that I have read acknowledges we need more trade schools. We need more plumbers, more electricians, more mechanics, more welders, etc. With all due respect, not everyone aspires or even wants to got to college. It is not for everyone and we need to disabuse ourselves of that notion. And under your idea of a tax credit, someone is paying for that. And that someone is the taxpayer.

I have a better idea on college costs. They are far too high. Why reinforce higher costs with the government stepping in to pay for college costs. Why not attack the root of the problem, the enormous cost of colleges. A huge part of college costs are in administration complying with government mandates. Greatly reduce those. States should require that 80% of all revenues make it to the classroom. Stop the free ride of professors. Make them teach and teach many classes during the semester. Reduces the need for more professors and reduces costs. Eliminate tenure. It is outmoded and costs an enormous amount of money to keep these elites employed since they can't be fired almost regardless of what little they do.

Stop feeding the beast. Get to the root causes of high costs and attack them. I think that Bill Gates has a great idea on modernizing education tough on line work. Another great option to provide even more competition.

One last cost savings measure. Get rid of all these ridiculous majors that lead no where in terms of employment. We all know what they are. Gender studies, Ethnic studies. etc.

 

[lenny4wvu]

Actually Moe, if you go back and read what I posted in another thread about Trump's strategy to rebuild our manufacturing base especially in inner cities, you will find rich new opportunities about to emerge for us to "make things" in this country again.

The job of rebuilding inner cities across America will require skilled trades, construction, manufacturing, steel, energy, and a variety of other manufacturing based operations to provide supplies, material and equipment driven by increased demand for labor and lots of it.

So I wouldn't be so quick to entirely dismiss our need for a restored manufacturing base, or the labor needed to sustain it.

Trump is working on that as we speak.

What ever happened to All the vo tech schools we had in the 70-80's.. If we could get those re-instated,maybe we could.our kids off.of.the damn video games that suck.out their brain cells..ijs.

 

[atlkvb]

But your ideology so blinds you, that you are instantly against anything a Republican recommends even if it helps the common man, the Forgotten Man.

This, big time. Almost everyone on the Left. Ideology (Big Government) first, then figure out where everything else fits in.

Unreal.

 

[moe]

Making things up? 5,000,000 million manufacturing jobs lost is making things up? Of course we make things, but those things require fewer workers or highly skilled workers. Thus, 5,000,000 less jobs in manufacturing.

We will see if Trump's program works in keeping plants in the U.S., locating new plants in the U.S. and growing our manufacturing base for the Forgotten Man. I think he is on the right track and he is off to a great start.

Libs amaze me. This is a real plan to bring back middle class jobs, good paying. jobs. You should be for this as champions of the middle class. But your ideology so blinds you, that you are instantly against anything a Republican recommends even if it helps the common man, the Forgotten Man.

What is wrong with you? seriously. Let me take you by the hand and lead you up the thread. You said that "we have to make things again". I proved to you that our ability to make things is at an all time high thus showing that your statement is wrong. See how simple that is? That is the only reason I'm in this thread, to counter your wrong statement. I'm done explaining this to you.

 

[atlkvb]

What ever happened to All the vo tech schools we had in the 70-80's.. If we could get those re-instated,maybe we could.our kids off.of.the damn video games that suck.out their brain cells..ijs.

Good question.

 

[WVPATX]

You have some good ideas here in this post especially on Community Colleges and trade schools. We used to teach silled trades in High school, so when kids graduated they were at least ready for the job market as apprentices. I'd like to see us resuscitate that model, as well as develop business apprenticeships and internships for 2 year associate baccalaureate programs.

I agree with you costs for College are way out of line with many student's ability to pay. An innovative approach I'd favor is Corporate subsidies of specific College degree programs to offset tuition in exchange for tax credits or favorable investment options for newly created venture capital markets as new business opportunities emerge. Sort of like a new jobs investment incubator that could be funded through tax free investments offset by specific tuition grants to Colleges paid for by the profits generated through those capital ventures and staffed by the newly trained and skilled Graduates.

Win-win.

I think we have to focus on the root causes of exorbitant college costs. Read my post above for some ideas. If we just continue to feed the beast regardless of where the money comes from, nothing will change.

 

[WVPATX]

What is wrong with you? seriously. Let me take you by the hand and lead you up the thread. You said that "we have to make things again". I proved to you that our ability to make things is at an all time high thus showing that your statement is wrong. See how simple that is? That is the only reason I'm in this thread, to counter your wrong statement. I'm done explaining this to you.

Listen, when I said make things again, I meant the millions of good paying jobs lost to middle income Americans. What part of that do you not understand. Did you even read the summary of the article from you post? IF we are making more things today than in 2000, they may be things requiring a college degree, a higher education, special and unique skills, etc. Otherwise, we would not be down 5,000,000 manufacturing workers, right?

Again, did you read the summary? Of course you didn't. These people need to be employed to make things again and to regrow their incomes. We have tens of millions of more people in the Country than we had in 2000, yet we have lost 5,000,000 good paying manufacturing jobs. We are bleeding.

You're done because you are too dense to understand the point of this debate. Your own summary is proof of the point I am making. But you may not be capable of comprehending and understanding the author's point.

 

[Boomboom521]

You are a lib. Admit it, it will set you free. The race card is a liberal tactic. Always has been, always will be until they have several more defeats nationally. Identity politics is dying. I am for free trade, but it must be fair. We can't allow the Chinese to manipulate their currency. We can't allow countries to dump products in the U.S. We have to make things again so that non college educated people can still have upward mobility. I am not in favor of Trump's tariff on US companies that move overseas and then resell into the U.S. market. I much prefer carrots, lower taxes, repatriation of profits, etc. to keep them here.

As for unions, I am never been against private trade unions, only public sector unions as was FDR, for example. He knew the dangers and expressed them.

You are for Trump, for Republicans, for ANYTHING that is against liberal thinking and ideology. You will sell out your policy virtues to beat the other side

 

[moe]

Listen, when I said make things again, I meant the millions of good paying jobs lost to middle income Americans. What part of that do you not understand. Did you even read the summary of the article from you post? IF we are making more things today than in 2000, they may be things requiring a college degree, a higher education, special and unique skills, etc. Otherwise, we would not be down 5,000,000 manufacturing workers, right?

Again, did you read the summary? Of course you didn't. These people need to be employed to make things again and to regrow their incomes. We have tens of millions of more people in the Country than we had in 2000, yet we have lost 5,000,000 good paying manufacturing jobs. We are bleeding.

You're done because you are too dense to understand the point of this debate. Your own summary is proof of the point I am making. But you may not be capable of comprehending and understanding the author's point.

lol smh

 

[atlkvb]

I think we have to focus on the root causes of exorbitant college costs. Read my post above for some ideas. If we just continue to feed the beast regardless of where the money comes from, nothing will change.

I read that PAX, and I also agree with what you posted. Especially the tenure for Professors. It's a giant money laundering operation for the Left in my opinion. My idea was just specifically offered as a funding option to help offset College costs for those who need more advanced training, not to subsidize them.

You did make some excellent points in your post about attacking the root of the problem as to why College costs so much, or at least why it's so way out of line with most student's ability to pay.

 

[WVPATX]

You are for Trump, for Republicans, for ANYTHING that is against liberal thinking and ideology. You will sell out your policy virtues to beat the other side

You don't know me. I have always been in favor of free, fair trade. I have always been opposed to Chinese currency manipulation. I have always been opposed to dumping of products below costs in U.S. markets. I have always been for encouraging companies to remain in the U.S. employing American people. I am against tariffs. I am for incentives. Nothing about my stance has changed in many, many years regarding trade.

The fact of the matter is that it is the libs that have changed. They used to be known as the party of the little man against the evil GOP that favored the rich. Right? Now, when Trump proposes policies to being back American jobs for the middle man, the Forgotten Man, liberals instinctively oppose it. Why? Because it was proposed by a Republican. Obama had an opportunity to lower corporate taxes (we have the highest in the world) as an incentive to create more American jobs, he passed. He had a chance to repatriate overseas profits as an incentive to create American jobs. He passed. He had a chance to lower regulations to create an incentive. He not only passed, he greatly increased regulations.

Libs have mocked the jobs saved by Trump. Why? Men and women had their jobs saved. Libs complained about incentives to keep jobs in America, but that has happened over many decades now. They opposed it because it was done by a Republican.

Look in a mirror.

 

[WVPATX]

lol smh

With your low intellect, that is about all your mind can muster, a shake of the head.

 

[WVPATX]

I read that PAX, and I also agree with what you posted. Especially the tenure for Professors. It's a giant money laundering operation for the Left in my opinion. My idea was just specifically offered as a funding option to help offset College costs for those who need more advanced training, not to subsidize them.

You did make some excellent points in your post about attacking the root of the problem as to why College costs so much, or at least why it's so way out of line with most student's ability to pay.

These costs are insane. I have 5 daughters. 4 have gone to out of state schools. Each cost more than $45K per year. Who can afford this? There is so much waste in these schools, it's insane. We have to get those costs way, way down. I love Gates idea of technology to greatly lower the cost of a good education.

 

[moe]

With your low intellect, that is about all your mind can muster, a shake of the head.

What is wrong with you? seriously. Let me take you by the hand and lead you up the thread. You said that "we have to make things again". I proved to you that our ability to make things is at an all time high thus showing that your statement is wrong. See how simple that is? That is the only reason I'm in this thread, to counter your wrong statement. I'm done explaining this to you. (Let me know if you want me to post this a few more times for you.)

 

[bornaneer]

It's hard to believe that the Democrats would even consider choosing someone like these two to lead the party. All this would do is drive more people over to the Repubs. Are they that stupid that they do not realize that they are always going to get all the minority and liberal groups votes.

 

[Boomboom521]

You don't know me. I have always been in favor of free, fair trade. I have always been opposed to Chinese currency manipulation. I have always been opposed to dumping of products below costs in U.S. markets. I have always been for encouraging companies to remain in the U.S. employing American people. I am against tariffs. I am for incentives. Nothing about my stance has changed in many, many years regarding trade.

The fact of the matter is that it is the libs that have changed. They used to be known as the party of the little man against the evil GOP that favored the rich. Right? Now, when Trump proposes policies to being back American jobs for the middle man, the Forgotten Man, liberals instinctively oppose it. Why? Because it was proposed by a Republican. Obama had an opportunity to lower corporate taxes (we have the highest in the world) as an incentive to create more American jobs, he passed. He had a chance to repatriate overseas profits as an incentive to create American jobs. He passed. He had a chance to lower regulations to create an incentive. He not only passed, he greatly increased regulations.

Libs have mocked the jobs saved by Trump. Why? Men and women had their jobs saved. Libs complained about incentives to keep jobs in America, but that has happened over many decades now. They opposed it because it was done by a Republican.

Look in a mirror.

Didn't Sanders praise the TPP move yesterday?