U.C. Davis student leaders, American flag optional at meetings
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kay:Oh sh*t, patx and that other guy are gonna kick you out of the club. You better take a knee or something.
Even conservative republicans can be wrong. If you don't understand what the flag means to so many people, and why it is so important, then I can't help you. If you don't understand why we respect the flag and honor those that have gone before us, then I can't help you.
lol you're such a dope, really. I just saw you railing on Muslims again so thought I'd put the MAWA line out there. You do hate Muslims don't you? (no matter who your relatives are)
Do you equate all Muslims to ISIS? Also when I say Make America White Again I'm mocking you and other Trump voters, do you understand now?
Libs want Arab Muslims to become a part of their identity group. To heck with what they do to gays, women, etc. They are votes to be had. And if a few eggs get broken in the process, so be it.
Libs ignore the religion. They want the Arab minority to vote Dem.
Libs ignore the ISIS atrocities for votes. They don't want to alienate any Muslim voter. They view Muslims, not as a religion, but as an identity group that they can troll for votes.
And the Muslim culture does treat women very differently than men and they can be very moderate Muslims. Men in the Muslim culture have enormous power over women, again even moderate Muslims. They treat gays very differently as well and they can be moderate Muslims. It is part of their culture, the way they were raised. You may want to actually get to know some moderate Muslims to educate yourself.
Haven't you read about the female genital mutilation which the doctor in Minnesota was just arrested for? Those weren't ISIS members going to take their daughters to that doctor, they were traditional Muslims.
ISIS has nothing to do with these beliefs. ISIS has nothing to do with Sharia Law. It goes without saying that some Muslims have become more "Americanized" and therefore more tolerant of Western values. But those Western values are unfortunately still in the minority of the community.
You're right, Democrats are looking for a big ISIS turnout for the next election, could be a difference maker.
Usually just promising a bunch of stuff does the trick, you Trump voters can relate to that.
I have a proposal. Any Leftist sympathetic with Isis or their cause is free to leave America and take up residence with them.
Hell, even join their fight too if you really hate America so you can find yourself under a MOAB coming down on top of your head while living in some underground tunnel over there with a few of 'em.
I don't need any help...I respect the flag and I display it on occasion. For your information I totally UNDERSTAND what the flag means to many people AND I really get pissed off when people disrespect it. I just don't think it has anything to do with sporting and other events.
Let me add my two cents.....I don't care if a flag is flown or not...I don't see what the big deal is all about. I also don't know why we have to play the national anthem at sporting events.....whats the point? You all know that I'm a conservative Republican.....correct?
I have a hard time reconciling your two perspectives, particularly your not understanding why the flag is flown or what the big deal is.
For many, many Americans it is a big deal, even at sporting events as we come together, it is a way to honor those that went before us. Particularly for guys like this one:
Kaepernick refusing to stand for natl anthem is his right. Here's a Marine, who can't stand, because he defended it
Let me add my two cents.....I don't care if a flag is flown or not...I don't see what the big deal is all about. I also don't know why we have to play the national anthem at sporting events.....whats the point? You all know that I'm a conservative Republican.....correct?
I have a hard time reconciling your two perspectives, particularly your not understanding why the flag is flown or what the big deal is.
For many, many Americans it is a big deal, even at sporting events as we come together, it is a way to honor those that went before us. Particularly for guys like this one:
Kaepernick refusing to stand for natl anthem is his right. Here's a Marine, who can't stand, because he defended it
I get that at this point playing the NA before a game is a big deal. But that's because we've been doing it for so long and if we stopped playing it it would look like a symbolic abandonment or whatever. If the NA was never played before a game nobody today would be saying "We should be playing the NA before games." The NA doesn't have anything to do with the game...or at least it didn't until we played it before games for so long that now people expect it and get mad if they don't see it.
I'm not sure how you don't understand that IT'S A FREAKING BALL GAME! Do they play the national anthem when you're in the checkout line at the grocery store? Or when you go into H&R Block to do your taxes? The radio stations play music constantly but they don't play the NA. If they event has nothing to do with the country (other than the fact that the event is occurring inside the country I mean) then what is the point of playing the NA?
IT'S A BALL GAME!!! What does the NA have to do with anything at a ball game?
They'd rather see us celebrating a national Holiday on "Earth Day" or "Transgender Day" or "Climate change day" or some other organic non Religious self absorbed Humanistic commemoration.
The year of the sub Alaskan Snail Darter. Arboretum Day. The day of the South Pacific Sea Otter.
Anything in the Creation, but nothing about the Creator.
What you fail to realize, is that when I stand in the line at the grocery store I am but a single person. When I attend a sporting event for example at West Virginia I am with 60,000 people. That makes it a very appropriate place to honor those that I've sacrificed so much for this country. I simply don't understand liberals like you and probably never will. You Simply will not acknowledge that the national anthem and the flag is a sign of respect for all of those that came before us and for what this country stands for. It is part of our culture. I guess except in liberal precincts.
Let me repeat that I do understand why the flag is flown.....THATS why I display it on certain days when it has a REAL meaning. I just think the meaning is lessened when its flown when because its what is supposed to happen. A true respecter of the flag does not have to be reminded every 5 seconds of what the meaning is.....it just makes it into a habit event.
I think we should have to pass a civics test each year before registering to vote.
If you can't explain our 3 branches of Government, how bills are made, if you don't know who your elected Representative is, or if you didn't pay any taxes in the previous year you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
How's that for extreme?
If you can't explain our 3 branches of Government, how bills are made, if you don't know who your elected Representative is, or if you didn't pay any taxes in the previous year you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
How's that for extreme?
"You Simply will not acknowledge that the national anthem and the flag is a sign of respect for all of those that came before us and for what this country stands for. It is part of our culture."
Not only did I not imply I thought that way, I'll state it outright:
The national anthem and the flag is a sign of respect for all of those that came before us and for what this country stands for.
There. I just acknowledged what you said I would not acknowledge. Now what?
Playing it at a sporting event, for example, is not playing at every five minutes. I agree if it were played all the time it would lessen its meaning. But when we are gathered together in a communal fashion, it is highly appropriate. It is an opportunity for us as citizens to show our respect.
It's not like they play it only before games on July 4th or Veteran's Day. They play it before pretty much every game in pretty much every sport. There are 4,860 regular season games scheduled this year and the NA will be played before every one.
The Left plays "imagine" by John Lennon every time they are gathered in one of their 'communal' fashions.
That's their national anthem...they all love that one!
And you are upset about this? Why? What about the anthem being played or the flag being displayed distresses you? Does it also bother you that the flag is displayed at government buildings? At schools? On our military ships, airplanes and the like?
What part about communal celebration of our country do you not understand? Are you equally upset about the Pledge?
Yes to all for him. Even worse if there's a rendition of the 10 Commandments!
He 's probably calling some civil Liberties Attorney asking to file a lawsuit to have that removed because it violates the "separation of Church and State"
(no such thing by the way)
It doesn't upset or distress me. I just don't see the point. If you recall, the fire in this thread isn't from me saying it shouldn't be flown but rather from you saying it should be (displayed in that meeting at UC-Davis rather than taken down).
The flag doesn't upset me but yes, the 10 Commandments would. Separation of Church and State, and all that. Mixing religion with politics is a bad, bad idea.
You don't see the point in honoring the country? In honoring those that have died for our rights as citizens, for your rights? In developing a sense of commonality as Americans? In embracing the one thing we all share, citizenry? These are values that most Americans ascribe to and most Americans realize the value in this symbolic act. If it is so unimportant, why is the flag displayed so prominently in so many places across this country?
It is such a small act on your part, but in fact, is so much more significant because of what it represents.
I'll never change your mind. Most libs just don't see the country in the same way as conservatives. Do you celebrate July 4th? Just asking.
You won't find it Op2, because it isn't in there (Separation between Church and State clause in the Constitution)
I saved you from "googling" for it.
Here's what it really means:
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2010/10/1920/
It is not in the Constitution. It was in a letter Jefferson wrote to a Baptist Church in Danbury, Conn. However, he was assuring the Baptists that the country would not establish a national church, like the Church of England. SCOTUS has taken this much, much further than Jefferson ever intended.
In Jefferson's time, for example, the public schools taught Christianity and actually said prayers.