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op2

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I didn't read beyond the headline but I did note that the headline talks about the US whereas global warming talks about the globe.

Where I live we're in the midst of what will be a 8-9 day stretch of 90+ temperatures and it's not even summer yet. I guess that means the US is warming. Either that or we're experiencing a local hot stretch.
 

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I didn't read beyond the headline but I did note that the headline talks about the US whereas global warming talks about the globe.

Where I live we're in the midst of what will be a 8-9 day stretch of 90+ temperatures and it's not even summer yet. I guess that means the US is warming. Either that or we're experiencing a local hot stretch.

The U.S. is a pretty big stretch of territory including Alaska. So the best measurements in the world over the past 10 years over a large territory show slight cooling. Satellite measurements, which are much better than ground measurements, of the globe show no warming in 18 plus years. What is a warmist/alarmist to do?
 

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The U.S. is a pretty big stretch of territory including Alaska. So the best measurements in the world over the past 10 years over a large territory show slight cooling. Satellite measurements, which are much better than ground measurements, of the globe show no warming in 18 plus years. What is a warmist/alarmist to do?

The area of the surface of the earth is 197 million square miles. Of the USA it's 3.8 million. Thus, less than 2% of the surface of the earth is taken up by the USA.

ETA: BTW, I did read beyond the headline. I read the first paragraph. This is enough to tell you what they're about.

Data from America’s most advanced climate monitoring system shows the U.S. has undergone a cooling trend over the last decade, despite recent claims by government scientists that warming has accelerated worldwide during that time.
 

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The area of the surface of the earth is 197 million square miles. Of the USA it's 3.8 million. Thus, less than 2% of the surface of the earth is taken up by the USA.

I notice you didn't mention the satellite measurements? Those are global. The beautiful part of the US measurements is that NOAA has no cause to "adjust" them. A bigger question is if the U.S. isn't warming, are there other parts of the globe that aren't warming as well but don't have these more accurate types of measurements?
 

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Yes, finally the hoax of global warming has been exposed. Perhaps now we can start identifying and defunding or firing the entire cabal of scientists who perpetrated this myth and even get to the bottom of who is ultimately behind what surely has to be the most global and border sharing fraud scandal ever uncovered. I always knew James Inhofe would ultimately be vindicated. I wonder how long the liberal controlled media will sit on this?
 

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I notice you didn't mention the satellite measurements? Those are global. The beautiful part of the US measurements is that NOAA has no cause to "adjust" them. They are what they are.

I didn't read beyond the first paragraph because it was clear what they were about from the first paragraph. Just because something is on the Internet doesn't make it true. I have no idea if what they claim in that article is true but it doesn't matter because I don't trust them as a source in the first place because they won't even go to the minimal trouble to try to pretend they're honestly after truth.
 

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Yes, finally the hoax of global warming has been exposed. Perhaps now we can start identifying and defunding or firing the entire cabal of scientists who perpetrated this myth and even get to the bottom of who is ultimately behind what surely has to be the most global and border sharing fraud scandal ever uncovered. I always knew James Inhofe would ultimately be vindicated. I wonder how long the liberal controlled media will sit on this?

I'm glad you 're finally joining the scientific community in agreeing that science is always skeptical, always questioning and acknowledging that the "science is not settled" despite what libs tell us.
 

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I'm glad you 're finally joining the scientific community in agreeing that science is always skeptical, always questioning and acknowledging that the "science is not settled" despite what libs tell us.

That is positively Orwellian.
 

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I didn't read beyond the first paragraph because it was clear what they were about from the first paragraph. Just because something is on the Internet doesn't make it true. I have no idea if what they claim in that article is true but it doesn't matter because I don't trust them as a source in the first place because they won't even go to the minimal trouble to try to pretend they're honestly after truth.
It seems there is almost weekly updates on this from various entities challenging the alarming claims made. Every time, you deny it and ignore it. Who has to come out and say that they might have been inaccurate in forecasting climate apocalypses before you accept the reality of the ideologues alarmist agenda or man's ability to affect change to their questionable impact?
 

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It seems there is almost weekly updates on this from various entities challenging the alarming claims made. Every time, you deny it and ignore it. Who has to come out and say that they might have been inaccurate in forecasting climate apocalypses before you accept the reality of the ideologues alarmist agenda or man's ability to affect change to their questionable impact?

There is weekly, or even daily or hourly EVERYTHING, that's because it's the Internet. Don't be fooled into thinking that because someone posts about something over and over again here it means there's some kind of mounting evidence. You can link constantly to sites saying anything you want them to say. That's why the important thing anymore isn't access to information but rather distinguishing between accurate information and inaccurate information.
 

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There is weekly, or even daily or hourly EVERYTHING, that's because it's the Internet. Don't be fooled into thinking that because someone posts about something over and over again here it means there's some kind of mounting evidence. You can link constantly to sites saying anything you want them to say. That's why the important thing anymore isn't access to information but rather distinguishing between accurate information and inaccurate information.
Does the motivation for the release of the information really matter when the data presented stands on its own? I'm not saying that it does but there is certainly mounting evidence to at least prompt additional scrutiny.
 

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There is weekly, or even daily or hourly EVERYTHING, that's because it's the Internet. Don't be fooled into thinking that because someone posts about something over and over again here it means there's some kind of mounting evidence. You can link constantly to sites saying anything you want them to say. That's why the important thing anymore isn't access to information but rather distinguishing between accurate information and inaccurate information.

A few facts for you to mull over. Satellite measurements, the most accurage measurements available, show no global warming in over 18 years. Current sea ice extent is the largest ever recorded. All the global warming models developed by scientists have been wrong by significantly over estimating heating. The best land based measurements in the U.S. have showed a slight cooling over the past 10 years.

This should at least give you some pause about the "scientific certainty" and the "science is settled" surrounding global warming.
 

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Does the motivation for the release of the information really matter when the data presented stands on its own? I'm not saying that it does but there is certainly mounting evidence to at least prompt additional scrutiny.

The OP links to an article. In that article it says the US has cooled over the last 10 years and it links to an NOAA site with data. The NOAA collects and makes data available to anyone. The article linked to in the OP didn't release any data, rather they took data already released and spun it to try to make a point.

You're under the impression that the article linked to in the OP reveals something new. It doesn't. There's a ton of data out there and anyone can take it and do anything with it. The people who specialize in this stuff are constantly scrutinizing it and debating it. And not on political websites.
 

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The OP links to an article. In that article it says the US has cooled over the last 10 years and it links to an NOAA site with data. The NOAA collects and makes data available to anyone. The article linked to in the OP didn't release any data, rather they took data already released and spun it to try to make a point.

You're under the impression that the article linked to in the OP reveals something new. It doesn't. There's a ton of data out there and anyone can take it and do anything with it. The people who specialize in this stuff are constantly scrutinizing it and debating it. And not on political websites.

The data on the website are actual measurements taken at various locations throughout the U.S. over the past 10 years. Not sure what kind of "spin" you are talking about. The only spin I see is you trying to poo poo the actual measurements.
 

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The data on the website are actual measurements taken at various locations throughout the U.S. over the past 10 years. Not sure what kind of "spin" you are talking about. The only spin I see is you trying to poo poo the actual measurements.

Well, let's see, in the very first paragraph it says that the US has cooled over the past 10 years despite scientists saying that the globe is warming. Isn't that spin to try to imply that the globe isn't warming, despite the fact that the measurements cited are for the US, which is less than 2% of the earth's surface?
 

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Well, let's see, in the very first paragraph it says that the US has cooled over the past 10 years despite scientists saying that the globe is warming. Isn't that spin to try to imply that the globe isn't warming, despite the fact that the measurements cited are for the US, which is less than 2% of the earth's surface?

The facts show the earth has not warmed in over 18 years. The facts show the U.S. has cooled slighly over the past 10 years. The facts show the climate models that project global warming have all been wrong on the high side. I think you're the one spinning. It's curious that people that claim to be strong scientific supporters don't appear to support skepticism and appear to want to shut down debate.
 

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The facts show the earth has not warmed in over 18 years. The facts show the U.S. has cooled slighly over the past 10 years. The facts show the climate models that project global warming have all been wrong on the high side. I think you're the one spinning. It's curious that people that claim to be strong scientific supporters don't appear to support skepticism and appear to want to shut down debate.

So it hasn't warmed since 1998 but it has warmed since 1997 and 1999. What's the point?

And that's even assuming the assumption that it hasn't warmed since 1998 is correct, which is not undisputed.
 

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So it hasn't warmed since 1998 but it has warmed since 1997 and 1999. What's the point?

And that's even assuming the assumption that it hasn't warmed since 1998 is correct, which is not undisputed.

You need to read the IPCC report which admits a "pause". I'm glad libs don't let inconvenient facts stand in their way.
 

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I didn't read beyond the headline but I did note that the headline talks about the US whereas global warming talks about the globe.

Where I live we're in the midst of what will be a 8-9 day stretch of 90+ temperatures and it's not even summer yet. I guess that means the US is warming. Either that or we're experiencing a local hot stretch.
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