Unanswered questions from True Detective....

[bonedaddy401]

1. Why did the pharmacy killer kill himself and who told him to? I know Rust told the one woman to off herself but wouldn't he have wanted to talk to that guy some more?

2. Why did the murderers leave Dora Lange in a field in the first place? They found the Lake Charles body in a public space it seemed but Dora Lange in a field was obviously different. Killer/killers wanted the attention?

3. The one clue that led them to the killer was a house that had been painted green years and years ago? Seems like a bit of a reach... Ive painted before and didn't worry about my ears getting covered in paint.

4. Why did his daughters put the dolls in the circle with one in the middle?

5. Why the story line about the one daughter drawing dicks/sex as a kid and eventually turning into a slut? That went literally no where. Solely to show Hart's parental neglect?

6. What were the wooden triangles?

I know there are questions that are supposed to remain a mystery but these are answerable or were IMO. I am one of the crowd that was disappointed with the way it ended. I don't subscribe to the "it was about the journey not the destination" doctrine. Show me who was killing kids and the whole architecture behind it.

Maybe season 2 ties in somehow....

 

[dorndawg]

Excellent points, I was overall disappointed in ending as well (I'm overall a big fan of the show). I'm fine with the "journey" but in hindsight some of that seems to be manipulation or plain old filler.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

1. There's already a thread on page two about this.
2. The show isn't about the murders or anyone else in the show except hart and cohle. The director even said something to the effect like the story is pretty cut and dry and that there would be no conspiracy or twist. I actually liked the finale. The entire series is about hart and cohles relationship and how this murder affected their lives. I liked how in the end they both ended up saving each other's lives. Then the whole light v dark thing and in the end cohle kind of changed his feeling towards that. I loved the whole season and can't wait until next year.

 

[bonedaddy401]

1. I read it and got no answers to the questions I asked bud. Thus this thread. Who made you read this topic?

2. The ending was weak. I get the point. I got it as soon as I watched it. The whole "the light is really winning" at the end was the cheesiest line of the whole show.

Why would you complain about about another TD thread? You want to make sure you have room for all the great baseball and basketball discussion we have going right now?

I know DS and he doesn't subscribe to any internet nerd law. Make another thread to reply to this one, no one cares.

 

[futaba.79]

Pharmacy guy.........

was being guarded by Officer Chldress. That can't be a coincidence. He may have been told to kill himself or everybody he loved on the outside would die a horrible death.

Dora Lange was a ritual killing. Lake Charles was to get attention.

Probably didn't get paint on his ears while painting. Rather, he put paint on his ears for effect.

Don't know about the daughters. Something happened. They wanted us to think it was a key. They succeeded in generating conversation.

Voodoo stuff.

I was disappointed, but then I wasn't. I realized that there was no way to resolve all the mysteries in 60 minutes and do any of them justice. So they resolved a few and did so quite well. The killer(s) was Errol and his family for the most part. We know that a bunch of them - Reggie, Dewal, Dad, Grandpa (Sam), Billy, and Errol - are dead. Errol said that Reggie and Dewal were watching his journey. It sounds like he was the main one, at least at the end.

 

[AHSDawg]

1) I do believe that Childress or someone got to him about his family. At least, that is what is insinuated but not said. I agree they could have prob put a line of script in that settled this.

2) Yes, the killer wanted an audience as most do. I think he wanted or was perceived to have wanted to make a statement with all of his killings. He just didn't get to do it once he was investigated. Maybe the pressure from Tuttle's task force that said to their people 'quit being so public'.

3) I saw a lot of things online that suggested or said that he might have been wearing green ear muffs. But, again, I think this wasn't covered as much as could have been or could have been fixed with one line of dialogue.

4) I read an interview with the teenage daughter online (will post in this message if I can find it) where she discussed this. She said that it was meant to infer that she had gotten into his things and seen parts of his investigation. Kind of a 'marty was so lost in his own cheating that he wasn't around to protect his own family' kind of thing. This is what led to the drawings and all.

5) Same thing as #4 except the issue here was that he was calling his child a slut when in actuality, Marty was the true slut.

6) They were just symbols of the Carcosa and the existence of alternative universes. Don't know much more than that.

Again, I really think that this show was, for lack of a better term, 'simpler' than we all wanted it to be. We kept trying to make this huge connection or twist but the true story was just a simple, detective story. In the end, it was actually very 'credible' and 'believable' as an every day story. This is what I think, not what I have read.

One other thought that I had... The Rev Tuttle wasn't necessarily 'involved'. He knew what was going on and he knew it was in his family.... But, he was trying to research, find and deal with it himself, through the task force, rather than it be found out and that he would be 'outed' as part of this perverse universe.

Here is the article from Marty's daughter.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...rty-who-plays-marty-s-daughter-tells-all.html

 

[bonedaddy401]

Some good stuff Futaba...

I agree someone told him something to make him kill himself, just wish we knew because that means someone outside of Errol was still aware of what was happening.

I thought the stories they did wrap were done well, just wished they would have traded some of the philosophical stuff at the end for more reveals and case details. Rust's evolution was masterfully done but don't let it encompass my payoff.

 

[bonedaddy401]

Yea I think you are right on here...

makes perfect sense the scenes with his daughters would be more about them seeing his things or him being a neglectful parent than them being part of the murders or anything connected to them.

The story being more simple than we wanted is a great way to put it. It's interesting describing it that way being as the character development was anything but simple.

Thanks for the points and observations. One of the best parts of the show has been discussing it.

 

[AHSDawg]

Exactly. I think the director and cast have been surprised at the level of discussion and interpretation that they started with this show. Heck, I was VERY much into the Marty might be the killer thread for a while.

Really was a great show. Its hard to remember how much on pins and needles we were for most of the show when its finally over.

 

[futaba.79]

I wonder...........

if the producers had any idea that people like us, on a sports message board no less, would speculate about the tiny details? Rust makes 5 men out of cans and knocks one over - we think that's a message. Marty's hair is a sign. Marty honks before Rust can go in the school - another sign.

Did they intend this or was it spontaneous?

 

[AHSDawg]

I think they 'thought' they might get some people talking. I definitely agree that they had no idea to what level it would create discussion. Which makes me salivate at what they will do next year when they fully realize how twisted and needy we are!!!

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

I'm sorry I hurt you feeling and made you go Internet bad *** on me. I assumed you made this thread because you didn't see the other one. And if I didn't give a **** about your topic I wouldn't have replied as to how I felt about the ending and overall feel of the show.

 

[bonedaddy401]

Calm down chief

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

First I enjoyed it very much and it kept your attention. I do like things to get tied up but I do understand that in real life that does not always happen. With that said I do have a couple of issues. One is a Logic hole and the other is an enhancement that should have been done.

1. Logic hole. I had already mentioned this in a post after show seven and this show made it even more glaring. That Errol is never named or shows up in some picture as a possible suspect is even more unbelievable after the finale. This is in the south and especially a pretty rural area where everyone knows everyone. How could him and his dad do all this yard work and painting all over the parish all those years and it never comes up that Errol Childress or the kid/guy that works with Daddy Childress has scars on his face. It is not like he hid in the swamp all the time. If you try to argue that people were fearful of them and so kept quiet, then everyone would have known they were these mass murderers. So if people didn't know they were mass murderers, then someone would have mentioned the guy with the scars. The other "city" argument is that they were in the background so no one really paid attention to them. Again that does not happen in the south. People know and talk to the folks that do jobs for them.

2. The whole Carcosa / Yellow King mythos. They should have, as part of the investigation, had a character explain what you had to lookup on the internet about the Ambrose Bierce short story. Any investigator would have tried to figure out what these words that kept coming up were about. I don't think they made it clear as part of the series what that background was. They seemed to want you to discover that on your own.


As I wrote this reply I do have to agree with the original poster that out of all the murders these people committed why were two done so publicly and all others were done secretively. They did not want seem to want to get caught. They show them excavating the site and coming up with bones so obviously they were going to find many bodies there. If they were ritualistic killings, then they would have been done mostly the same. Unless once every 10 years they had to string some body up with antlers on it.

 

[madisonmd]

The true success of this series is that it absorbs peoples' thoughts , even to the point of taking up space on sports message boards. I am not so sure the writer wanted to answer all the questions, so that discussion like that above ensues. Awesome series imo!

 

[mcdawg22]

You think we discussed it thoroughly, you should check out Reddit. There was a guy that was crucified because he saw on IMDB that Eroll the incestuous handy man was going to be in the last two episodes. One of the funniest things I have seen is everyone assumed the Dad was involved because why he was crotchety about change like a third of the posters on this board, he was a dick to Marty, someone cheats on my daughter I would be much worse. Also Maggie is a *****! Why because she got revenge on her ****** husband. At the beginning she seemed pretty cool, she let her alcoholic husband drink whatever he wanted, it's funny how the perception turned both of them into bad people.

 

[captain.sixpack]

The true success of this series is that it absorbs peoples' thoughts , even to the point of taking up space on sports message boards.

The walking dead takes up space on sports message boards and it is awful.

 

[rabiddawg]

Girls don't have to have daddy issues to be sluts. Sometimes they just like to 17 and are kinda freaky






























Which is awesome in my book.

 

[stinkfoot]

my take:

1. Why did the pharmacy killer kill himself and who told him to? I know Rust told the one woman to off herself but wouldn't he have wanted to talk to that guy some more?

2. Why did the murderers leave Dora Lange in a field in the first place? They found the Lake Charles body in a public space it seemed but Dora Lange in a field was obviously different. Killer/killers wanted the attention?

3. The one clue that led them to the killer was a house that had been painted green years and years ago? Seems like a bit of a reach... Ive painted before and didn't worry about my ears getting covered in paint.

4. Why did his daughters put the dolls in the circle with one in the middle?

5. Why the story line about the one daughter drawing dicks/sex as a kid and eventually turning into a slut? That went literally no where. Solely to show Hart's parental neglect?

6. What were the wooden triangles?

I know there are questions that are supposed to remain a mystery but these are answerable or were IMO. I am one of the crowd that was disappointed with the way it ended. I don't subscribe to the "it was about the journey not the destination" doctrine. Show me who was killing kids and the whole architecture behind it.

Maybe season 2 ties in somehow....

1. The central theme of The King In Yellow story is a play that explains the true nature of the universe and of mankind and the truths are so terrible that anyone who hears/sees it is driven to madness/death. Very H.P. Lovecraft stuff and Rust really embodies the doomed protagonist from that genre. At The Mountains Of Madness (blatantly copied by the movie Prometheus) is kind of like that. Interesting that Childress kept calling him priest. He was meant to find the truth as Ledoux stated "I saw you in my dreams."
2. good question but dora lange didn't quite fit the mo for the killings either. maybe she knew something about the killing of children (done in secret) and was supposed to be an example for others that may have had suspicions (what drove her to the revival in the first place).
3. don't know but maybe he was wearing a bandana or something for paint fumes and was using spray paint that blew back on his ears. Perhaps the weakest part of the story.
4. They must have seen some kind of crime photos or seen something on the news to show what their dad did for a living.
5. parentle neglect/the detectives curse.
6. Momentos of where he/they took children.

Great series. They left a lot unanswered for a reason. The King In Yellow/H.P. Lovecraft stuff was older horror fiction that always left a lot to the imagination to great effect.

 

[AHSDawg]

One thought as to the Dora Lange and Lake Charles victims.... About them not fitting the profile. I just had this random thought and may be completely off base.

It may have been for underage nudity. They could not show the 'crime scene' completely if it was a child. They may have used older victims so that they could show the entire scene of the crime for the TV audience...

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Good answers.

For me, I was not concerned with answering all the little details from previous episodes, I was entertained with the story of the two main characters.

One of my old English instructors and I were talking about modern story telling and he commented he would like to see a solid story where the protaganists went through a journey of character decent but learned from the experiences and came out okay in the end. Not necessarily a "winner" but better than they were before they started the journey. I think he would have liked this story.

 

[tuku 2]

Dora Lange/Lake Charles didn't fit the MO of the "Group of Five"

It did fit Errol and the Ledeauxs with their spiritual/religious way of thing.