Until Cohen brings in some pitching...

[Coach34]

and I mean real pitching, we arent going to get any better. Sure we have to get better defensively, and I agree with him sticking that freshman out there every game to get him experience so he will be ready next season. He has brought in a couple of promising Freshman, and he has got to keep on bringing them in and more.

Polk left him dogshit for pitching and the worst ERA in the SEC. It's got to start there. Good pitching can hide all sorts of deficiencies, and keep you in games against good teams until you get your program they way it needs to be. Hell, even Crooms fooled alot of you people into thinking he might be worth a **** by getting us better on defense to keep the games closer.

Until we get a pitching staff, this program will not get back to being what it was- a top half SEC team unable to win the conference or the west

 

[Coach34]

and I mean real pitching, we arent going to get any better. Sure we have to get better defensively, and I agree with him sticking that freshman out there every game to get him experience so he will be ready next season. He has brought in a couple of promising Freshman, and he has got to keep on bringing them in and more.

Polk left him dogshit for pitching and the worst ERA in the SEC. It's got to start there. Good pitching can hide all sorts of deficiencies, and keep you in games against good teams until you get your program they way it needs to be. Hell, even Crooms fooled alot of you people into thinking he might be worth a **** by getting us better on defense to keep the games closer.

Until we get a pitching staff, this program will not get back to being what it was- a top half SEC team unable to win the conference or the west

 

[JxnDawg39211]

seriously..the years he was our pitching coach under Polk and the years he was our skipper we have never had better pitching. Developing guys like Papelbon and Maholm shows he definitley had an eye for talent. McMahonhas forgotten more about pitching than Butch Thompson will ever know.

 

[Coach34]

I don't know Thompson or how much he knows about pitching- but I do know McMahon and how much he knows about pitching. Not sure how much recrootin the ol man would want to do these days though...thats the only porblem with that. It's tougher than ever to recroot, and you have to have guys on your staff that are warriors ijn that area.

 

[demarkcus cuzins]

I agree. I just turned the game on at the end of the top of the 6th and in the bottom half did I hear Jim say we are outhitting Ole Miss? If I heard that correctly then pitching is what we need. So hopefully we can get some more Stratton, Routt type people, b/c we don't have the time to wait 3 years for a pitcher to develop, but there are kids out there like that. We just might have to scan the country for them and convince them they are our missing link.

 

[Todd4State]

and I mean real pitching, we arent going to get any better. Sure we have to get better defensively, and I agree with him sticking that freshman out there every game to get him experience so he will be ready next season. He has brought in a couple of promising Freshman, and he has got to keep on bringing them in and more.



Polk left him dogshit for pitching and the worst ERA in the SEC. It's got to start there. Good pitching can hide all sorts of deficiencies, and keep you in games against good teams until you get your program they way it needs to be. Hell, even Crooms fooled alot of you people into thinking he might be worth a **** by getting us better on defense to keep the games closer.



Until we get a pitching staff, this program will not get back to being what it was- a top half SEC team unable to win the conference or the west

And that's why we went out and got all of those freshmen pitchers. Pitching is a need for every team every year. Because as you said, it all starts right there on the mound. Once these guys develop, we will be on the right track.


The good news is we actually have some guys with potential for once and not the usual David Hayes type pitcher.

 

[57stratdawg]

to point out that we need better pitching and defense?

Thanks for the insight..

 

[Todd4State]

I agree. I just turned the game on at the end of the top of the 6th and in the bottom half did I hear Jim say we are outhitting Ole Miss? If I heard that correctly then pitching is what we need. So hopefully we can get some more Stratton, Routt type people, b/c we don't have the time to wait 3 years for a pitcher to develop, but there are kids out there like that. We just might have to scan the country for them and convince them they are our missing ]


today. We've made at least three errors, and they have all led to a big inning. That's why we are outhitting them and yet are getting outscored. We're asking our pitchers to get four outs an inning.

The guys that could come in and help us out right away and be dominant are also likely to sign with MLB. And there really aren't that many guys out there like that.

 

[Coach34]

people can ***** and whine and pout all they want...but we simply have got to get more pitching on campus. And it's taking Cohen longer to turn things around because of what Polk left him on the mound.

All these people bitching must not understand this. How many of Polk's pitchers that he left Cohen were drafted last year and will get drafted this year? Don't blame it on Thompson and say they arent being developed- scouts draft pitchers on potential every damn year. How many pro prospects has Polk left him on the mound?

 

[AceLeroy]

people can ***** and whine and pout all they want...but we simply have got to get more pitching on campus. And it's taking Cohen longer to turn things around because of what Polk left him on the mound.

All these people bitching must not understand this. How many of Polk's pitchers that he left Cohen were drafted last year and will get drafted this year? Don't blame it on Thompson and say they arent being developed- scouts draft pitchers on potential every damn year. How many pro prospects has Polk left him on the mound?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The lack of pitching is still on Polk. Cohen gets a pass for that.

However , JC ( that's John Cohen , not Jesus Christ as some of you see him ) needs to learn how to get the most out of what IS here , begining with learning how to coach baserunning. The poor talent is on Polk , but the staple of Cohen baseball , pissing away scoring chances by getting gunned with foolish attempts to take extra bases when the reward isn't worth the risk , is alive and well. This careless base running seems to get ignored , but might have cost Us just as many games and runs as the bad defense and pitching has. Most just don't get how important base running is and it isn't as obvious as the errors or bad pitching is. It IS just as important though and actually easier to correct because it is not about skill , but rather simply knowing what to do in each specific situation.

You are a baseball guy Coach34.....I would like to hear your thoughts on how We run the bases and how important it is.

 

[Todd4State]

I've also seen us create runs many times by being aggressive. Last night, Jaron was in Barrett's head, and it caused him to get behind in the count and get some runs for us.

I wish I had the stats, but I am fairly confident in saying that we are getting thrown out trying to take extra bases a lot less than last year.

 

[Coach34]

that we can't be giving away outs on the bases. You are correct. I think last year was a product of Cohen installing a much more aggressive philosophy. And as Todd said, we are getting thrown out less this season- and my guess is because they have become smarter about when to go and when not to...

running bases is an art (one that I was not good at), but a great weapon when done correctly

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..bitching about pitching?


Ogden alone is responsible for at least 2 MSU pitchers suffering higher ERA's this weekend.


I agree the pitching is sub-par, but at least once a game some bozo on defense extends the inning due to Bad News Bears ********.

 

[Coach34]

those are called unearned runs Ronny

 

[RobbieRandolph]

Unless by "running" you simply mean trying to leg out an extra base, and not just stealing.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..you would think a coach would realize boneheaded errors extend the inning, thereby give the team batting a chance to produce more earned runs.

Another clue your whole "coach34" act is fake (at least the "coach" part).

 

[MSUArrowCS]

Obviously ERA doesn't include the unearned runs, but laboring an extra 20 pitches in the 3rd inning because of errors and unearned runs definitely affects the pitcher's effectiveness (including earned runs given up) later in the game.

 

[MSUArrowCS]

<p style="margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; line-height: 1.5em; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_run</p><p style="margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; line-height: 1.5em; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">A run is counted as unearned when:</p><ul style="line-height: 1.5em; list-style-type: square; margin-top: 0.3em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; list-style-image: url(/bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/monobook/bullet.gif);]http://bits.wikimedia.org....5/monobook/bullet.gif); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">[*]A batter reaches base on an error (including catcher's interference), and later scores a run in that inning by any means.[*]A baserunner remains on base as the result of an error on a fielder's choice play that would put the baserunner out except for an error, and subsequently scores.[*]A batter reaches first base on a<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passed_ball" title="Passed ball" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 43, 184); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">passed ball(but not awild pitch) and subsequently scores by any means.[*]A baserunner scores after the third out would have been made except for an error other than catcher's interference.[*]A batter reaches base on a fielder's choice which removes a baserunner who has reached base safely on an error or has remained on base as the result of an error, reaching first base on a passed ball on a called or swinging third strike, or remained on base on an error on a fielders' choice play that should have retired him, and subsequently scores.[*]A batter or runner advances one or more bases on an error or passed ball and scores on a play that would otherwise not have provided the opportunity to score

 

[Todd4State]

Unless by "running" you simply mean trying to leg out an extra base, and not just stealing.

There were a lot of people complaining about guys like Butler and Sneed getting thrown out by taking an extra base, and you just don't see the staff asking them to do that nearly as much as last year. Unless it's a missed sign like what happened with Sneed a few weeks ago. We're not asking guys that can't do something to do it as much. Unfortunately we can only have one DH in the lineup.

Edit to say, that I think this is one area that will improve greatly next year- we get rid of donkeys like Butler, Sneed, and Duffy and then we bring in guys like CT Bradford, Taylor Stark, Chase Luwallen, DeMarcus Henderson, and Adam Frazier than can run, along with Jaron you'll see us doing more and more running, and doing it more and more effectively.

 

[rugbdawg]

the inning, the other team could hit 10 home runs and they would all be unearned. Dumbass. Girodo got the loss today and gave up 4 runs in 2 and two thirds innings. He gave up 0 EARNED runs. He has pitched 7 and one third consecutive innings without giving up an earned run...but I'm sure he has probably give up around 6 unearned runs during that time.

 

[AceLeroy]

It is about WHEN You run.

Running less can be just as bad as running too often. You run when the risk is worth the reward. It is that simple.</p>

I wouldn't give a damn if We got shot at the plate trying to score with 2 outs on a close play , even if it happened 9 times a game. That is good agressive base running.</p>

It would piss me off MUCH more to get gunned at third for the first out of an inning once a month.</p>

There is a HUGE difference.

Quite frankly , I don't think Cohen and his staff understands it. They seem to think agressive means wreckless , hauling *** at an extra base no matter how many outs there are or who is hitting next.

Base running is situational.What might be a good risk with 1 out , might not be a good risk with 2 outs.</p>

Our base running mistakes have been as costly or more than Our pitching or fielding , most just don't notice it.</p>

</p>

 

[dawgstudent]

Amazing to me that you could give up as you said 10 runs after that with 0 errors and none count as an earned run.

 

[Todd4State]

but you never want to make the first or third out at ANY base. Home, second, third- doesn't matter.

It also is situational in that you have to know what your players can and can't do- a guy like Sneed who has had three hip surguries vs Jaron, you're going to take more chances with Jaron.

It's also knowing other teams players, how they field, how accurate they are, how strong their arm is.

Also, are you behind or not- most people including me would be inclined to not run nearly as much when behind because you need baserunners and you don't want to run yourself out of an inning. If I'm ahead, I'm going to apply pressure and try to get more runs.

So, it's a combination of factors where you play the odds and hope it works out for you.

 

[TBonewannabe]

Our defense is thoroughly screwing our pitching staff. It is just going to take at least one more year to even see a competitive team. Next year we will probably have a mostly freshmen team on the other 8 positions. We will then go through all the ups and downs of having freshmen at those positions. In reality, it will probably be 2 more years.

 

[HumpDawgy]

After what I have seen this year, I would say bring back McMahon. At least he had a pipeline into the state of Florida talent. I know a lot of people don't like to bring coaches back like we did Polk, and especially since Mac left us for Floridy, but IMO this staff has done a horrible job so far these past 2 seasons. Anything would be an improvement.