There are a few that visit here and are pretty sensible when posting. My question for those fans is this. After today's news when do UL fans say you know what, enough is enough and winning at all costs is embarrassing the school I cheer for? Just curious on what a UL fans take on all this is.
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they just got a commitment from a four star safety tonight I don't think they care
The Coach's probably gave him a heads up on who to bet on this weekend.
I'm sick and effing tired of it. Katina Powell isn't settled with the NCAA yet, and we have very mysterious double shooting and now this waiting in the wings to be settled.
Every time an issue comes up it has to "take a number" and wait in line to be resolved because another one is under review.
Can't we just play some games with no drama going on?
In fairness to my favorites school, they always approach things the same way, I guess it's just how Jurich operates. When something comes up, it is acknowledged then they go into quiet mode. Did so with Katina Powell. Accusation, announcing of investigation, then silence for months. At the end of the silence made the announcement that they were guilty of some things, self imposed sanctions and turned it over to NCAA.
Looks like they following suit with the other two. Shooting was announced followed by silence.
UofL admitted Elrod gave document and now there will be silence.
I think the silence is understandable, but it also adds to the frustration. Plus it allows everyone to run wild with their own theories. Hell, Shannon Sharpe and Skip Bayless already had the whole thing figured out by 11 a.m. yesterday morning. WOW..... Those guys are good. Never left their offices and solved the whole issue in time for their show.
Every time an issue comes up it has to "take a number" and wait in line to be resolved because another one is under review.
Can't we just play some games with no drama going on?
In fairness to my favorites school, they always approach things the same way, I guess it's just how Jurich operates. When something comes up, it is acknowledged then they go into quiet mode. Did so with Katina Powell. Accusation, announcing of investigation, then silence for months. At the end of the silence made the announcement that they were guilty of some things, self imposed sanctions and turned it over to NCAA.
Looks like they following suit with the other two. Shooting was announced followed by silence.
UofL admitted Elrod gave document and now there will be silence.
I think the silence is understandable, but it also adds to the frustration. Plus it allows everyone to run wild with their own theories. Hell, Shannon Sharpe and Skip Bayless already had the whole thing figured out by 11 a.m. yesterday morning. WOW..... Those guys are good. Never left their offices and solved the whole issue in time for their show.
Most of their fans will just reply, everybody does it, we just got caught. They don't care. If they did, they would have called for pricktino's head, after the Karen Sypher incident. The entire program has "an end justifies the means" attitude. Win, and we don't care how.
That one's not true. I'm not calling for a coaches head because he banged a woman in 2003 and no one found out about it until she tried to black mail him in 2009 over it. I'm not saying Pitino is a saint, hell, I don't even like him. But some of you try to act like a rich man in power has never slept with another woman before. You do realize that there were always rumors of him banging plenty of women while at UK, don't you?
Realy? Helen Keller could figure it out. That school is a complete disaster and needs to be scrubbed from the top down to the last waterboy.
Rumors are rumors and facts are facts. Don't confuse the two.
So you are saying everyone does it. He just got caught at UL.
Ahhh, so Pitino was a saint at UK, but turned into something completely different just a few years later?
Be real man.. He was doing the same thing at both places. Only way he got caught was 6 years after the fact because Sypher tried to black mail him and he went to the authorities. SHE is the one in jail, not him. Had she not done that, no one would have ever known.
Be real man.. He was doing the same thing at both places. Only way he got caught was 6 years after the fact because Sypher tried to black mail him and he went to the authorities. SHE is the one in jail, not him. Had she not done that, no one would have ever known.
Made my feelings on this Wake issue known on the Louisville board...One Word..."Indefensible"....
Ahhhh, the "it's only a crime, if caught defense"; That says a lot about your ethics. And I honestly think you speak for most UL fans.
And RP was an *** while at UK, and probably did cheat on his wife. But what can we do now? Many are calling to remove is banner from Rupp
What else you got, tom?
Please cite the public scandal that was uncovered while he was the head basketball coach at UK and then we can compare the responses by both Universities.
Also, please continue to portray Pitino as the victim in this because it is typical line-beard thinking. She didn't really just blackmail him, she essentially wanted a raise in the hush money that he had already been funneling her way via Tim Sypher.
Also, there was no "silence" from Jurich on the Wakeyleaks fiasco. He admitted it happened! The only silence that will happen is that Jurich will attempt to act as if this is a non-issue and ignore it for as long as he can from now on without a lick of punishment for anyone on staff at UofL.
The issues with Sypher involve more than just the table banging. It is the amazing story of how he handled it thereafter. The 15sec start was just the tip of the iceberg. His driver on the floor listening to the encounter and everything after that..... so dont just minimize it as a quickie.
This is the problem when discussing LilBrothel. They have sooooooooooooooo many disgusting things going on it is impossible to keep from going down a wormhole of another scandal.
Kratz has come in peace. Lets not badger the witness.
Kratz has come in peace. Lets not badger the witness.
You should start from this point forward learning about what it means to be a real man. You just tried to justify fact by citing a totally unsubstantiated story that did not exist until Pitino was caught up in the Sypher/porcini flap. Maybe you should take an ethics class.
So, given BPs history, and the other recent scandals concerning UL football and men's basketball (shootings, drugs, drug death by overdose, player on player violence, domestic violence, prostitiutes, stippers for underage recruits and their parents...not to mention Sypher)
How do you feel about the ultimate captain of the sports department, Jurich? Why do most UL fans see him as a the greatest AD and best sports program?
1. Don't care about Basketball or a Coaches Personal life-(Pitino)...didnt want Fields here...made that known real time.
2. Jurich has answers to make but in the end nothing going to happen...it is going to be a local issue but nationally Jurich is betting it will blow over....he is right. In the National Sports Media this is going to be a News Cycle Story.
The Wake issue is going to spread....Right now 2 schools are involved...Louisville and Army....who else will be exposed. But again not going to defend this
2. Jurich has answers to make but in the end nothing going to happen...it is going to be a local issue but nationally Jurich is betting it will blow over....he is right. In the National Sports Media this is going to be a News Cycle Story.
The Wake issue is going to spread....Right now 2 schools are involved...Louisville and Army....who else will be exposed. But again not going to defend this
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If you'll note in my original post, I said UofL has admitted that they got information from Wake. Jurich is the one that made the announcement. Sorry if you didn't connect UofL to Jurich. I said there will be silence from this point forward. I suspect it will like the Katina Powell case: The next time we hear something official is when UofL has finished it's investigation or whatever they're going to do. Didn't hear anything about Powell case for months, then UofL held a presser in which they announced violations had occurred and explained their self imposed penalties. No post season, reduced schollies, reduced recruiting, etc. and turned it over to the NCAA.
The thing that I'm most disappointed about in the Wake case is that UofL didn't inform someone. Okay, you have a disgruntled ex employee that mad he wasn't retained by the staff and now he's looking for some payback. I get that. While you're in this mode you run into an old friend (Galloway) and you give him some of that info. I get that too. Disgruntled ex employees can be a problem. However, when Galloway got this information, it should have been sent up the chain and reported to Wake that their radio guy was giving away plays. That's the part I'm bitterly disappointed in.
It still amazes me how many UK fans are caught up in Sypher......... She's an extortionist. Yes, Pitino had sex with her. NEWS FLASH: Rich, powerful man slept with another woman. Clinton, Trump, anyone?
She tried to black mail him for millions. He went to the authorities and she's now in prison. You think Pitino runs the FBI? FBI busted her cold, but a lot of you keep trying to paint her as the victim. It was a consensual act between two adults. While frowned upon, it wasn't illegal. Nothing became illegal until she tried to black mail him. Plus it was 2003. That horse was beat to death years ago.
She tried to black mail him for millions. He went to the authorities and she's now in prison. You think Pitino runs the FBI? FBI busted her cold, but a lot of you keep trying to paint her as the victim. It was a consensual act between two adults. While frowned upon, it wasn't illegal. Nothing became illegal until she tried to black mail him. Plus it was 2003. That horse was beat to death years ago.
Pitino is not a victim, and Pitino was dirty as hell while at UK. It was pretty well known that he was banging some pretty well known tail in Lexington. UK did a much better job of protecting his indiscretions than has UofL.
He was a good coach at UK that caught lightning in a bottle, that made him look great. The Pitino that is at UofL is the real Pitino, and he's just....good. As for the "man", he is what he has always been, filth.
He was a good coach at UK that caught lightning in a bottle, that made him look great. The Pitino that is at UofL is the real Pitino, and he's just....good. As for the "man", he is what he has always been, filth.
Think about the audience and how the Pitino's have always been portrayed and then you will understand.
A "great" Catholic man who is such a do-gooder, and such a loving family man, in a mostly conservative state...you get it yet?
Oh, you left out the most disgusting part of the whole ordeal...the cover-up, and the abortion.
I live in Louisville and have many friends that are UL fans, all of which are good humans and most incredibly intelligent, level-headed and logical. Not a single one has ever placed blame for any of the problems at Jurich's feet. He is nearly a religious figure and has done no wrong in anything.
The truth of the matter is that he allows these types of scandals to continue happening. I'd bet if the digging went deep enough he was probably involved in some of them, especially the financial issues going on with UL/the foundation. Yet, no matter what happens, Jurich is never to blame, and neither is Pitino or Petrino. It really does boggle the mind.
The truth of the matter is that he allows these types of scandals to continue happening. I'd bet if the digging went deep enough he was probably involved in some of them, especially the financial issues going on with UL/the foundation. Yet, no matter what happens, Jurich is never to blame, and neither is Pitino or Petrino. It really does boggle the mind.
I agree with that completely. Never have liked the guy at UK or UofL. But you have to draw a line between illegal behavior and behavior you don't like. Your opinion doesn't get to dictate the terms of anyone elses life. I do things in my life that I know other people wouldn't agree with, but they're not illegal. So in the end, I don't let people tell me how to live, and I show them the same courtesy (as long as they're not breaking the law or hurting someone).
I've said it a million times, he's a POS hypocrite. I've always thought that, and still do. But is any of it ILLEGAL? You don't get to force your morality onto how another person lives as long as they're not doing anything illegal. You want me to judge how you live and dictate the terms of your life? I'm sure you don't. I don't know, and you are probably a fine man, but I'm not going to let you dictate the terms of my life to me. It just doesn't work that way.
You forgot the pesky detail of him paying her to kill his unborn child. You know, the "health insurance payment".
I don't think anyone here would disagree with that at all. I think we all understand that our opinions are just that, opinions. However, there isn't anything much worse for a college athletic program than to be tried in the public court of opinion. It can absolutely ruin recruiting and the schools reputation if it gets bad enough and the media takes an interest.
I don't believe anyone is disagreeing or trying to say that he broke "mans" law, however I would agree that those that feel that him, as a man of GOD (he states as often as he can), broke several of GOD's laws, and that makes him a very easy target for scrutiny in a conservative state.
The difference between him and everyone here is that he is in the spotlight at all times, and half the time he brings unneeded attention to himself. You get that, right @Kratz ?
See my first reply to you. I'll add that if I were a public figure, I'd be much more careful about what I did and when I did it. No, I'd never try to dictate the terms of anyone's life to them, that's just absurd. However everyone knows and accepts that when you are a public figure that everything you say and do will be judged in the court of public opinion...right or wrong that's just how it is.
Was never for that no matter how bad we hated him or how crazy he got until the day he flipped off BBN on national TV. It should've came down the next day imo.
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It was negotiating and only became extortion when her lawyer wanted millions and Rick didn't like the terms. Then he ran to the FBI.
Again.............. Was it ILLEGAL? A simple yes or no will do. I'm really trying to be fair in a thread which I was basically invited to. Ok, you're not pro choice. Guess what, the US Supreme Court says it's legal whether you like it or not. And last I checked they have higher authority and get the final say.
AGAIN.......... Pitino is a POS and I don't like him. But I don't condemn a man because I don't like him. That's just a matter of opinion. What matters is did he do anything ILLEGAL? A simple yes or no will do
I agree with that completely. I'm a life long UofL fan, and I'll be happy the day he leaves. He's brought success, but also embarrassment to the school. I personally don't like him. However, I'm not his boss, and I have no say in what happens to him other than to not go to games or watch them on TV. I have been to 1 game in the YUM center since it opened. So far this season I have watched 2 UofL basketball games. When they get a coach I like, I'm sure I'll be much more impassioned about them again. But for now, basketball isn't high on my list because of him. UofL will always be my favorite team and school. With any long standing fandom you have to take the good with the bad. We're in the middle of a bad right now.
The point for the UL fan base is, the UL Athletic Department has placed its own fans into a position of trying to defend some vile activity.
Winning is great for fans, but at some point you have to ask is this worth it.
If it is then that fan is no different then the people doing the disgusting activities.
Winning is great for fans, but at some point you have to ask is this worth it.
If it is then that fan is no different then the people doing the disgusting activities.
So what should the next steps be at UL? Jurich out? Petrino out? Make galloway the fall guy?
Engaging a member of his staff to take her should have been the death knell on top of the embarrassment. If your argument is that he would have survived at most schools, you are severely deluded.
My feeling...nothing going to happen...heavy fine from the ACC with Petrino, Galloway and Grantham...
Myself...I would be calling someone like PJ Fleck or Brent Venables...but I'm in the minority
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It doesn't have to be illegal to be a violation of his contractual obligations does it? You obviously are focusing on the illegality when it isn't even relevant.
I just posted this on our board and when I came over and saw this thread I felt like it would be good to post here too to give you a sense of how UofL fans are feeling right now.
As you know I am a UofL defender until the end but I have about reached my breaking point. Although I and many have tried to ignore it or excuse it for the last 10 or so years, I have grown tired of the scandals that keep piling up. And these last couple of years have just been non stop. Maybe it was a mistake bringing Bobby back. Maybe we should have dealt with Rick a bit more harshly. I don't know. All I do know is that it looks like Tom has created a culture where this type of thing and many other "wrong" things are acceptable. Obviously I love Tom and would hate to see him go but someone over there needs to publicly reprimand him and possibly even give him some type of suspension or pay cut because this stuff has to stop. Until there is some action that says the university and the athletic department doesn't and won't stand for this, they are just saying this stuff is okay. Well it ain't okay with me.
Even as much as I don't want to see Tom go, maybe it would be for the best if we all just split. The culture needs to change. I appreciate everything he has done here and I have no doubt he will have left us in a position for the next person to carry this forward. In the end, UofL is and was a great program before Tom and will be after Tom. I hope it can be worked out where he is punished and can stay but I fear the only way to change the culture is to cut off the head. Regardless of what they end up doing, the university HAS to do something.
As you know I am a UofL defender until the end but I have about reached my breaking point. Although I and many have tried to ignore it or excuse it for the last 10 or so years, I have grown tired of the scandals that keep piling up. And these last couple of years have just been non stop. Maybe it was a mistake bringing Bobby back. Maybe we should have dealt with Rick a bit more harshly. I don't know. All I do know is that it looks like Tom has created a culture where this type of thing and many other "wrong" things are acceptable. Obviously I love Tom and would hate to see him go but someone over there needs to publicly reprimand him and possibly even give him some type of suspension or pay cut because this stuff has to stop. Until there is some action that says the university and the athletic department doesn't and won't stand for this, they are just saying this stuff is okay. Well it ain't okay with me.
Even as much as I don't want to see Tom go, maybe it would be for the best if we all just split. The culture needs to change. I appreciate everything he has done here and I have no doubt he will have left us in a position for the next person to carry this forward. In the end, UofL is and was a great program before Tom and will be after Tom. I hope it can be worked out where he is punished and can stay but I fear the only way to change the culture is to cut off the head. Regardless of what they end up doing, the university HAS to do something.
So this is Louisville's newest defense...as long as they aren't doing anything illegal or hurting anyone. Way to set that bar, Louisville fans!
We already knew who you were though.
We already knew who you were though.