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I'm interested to know how you feel that UofL should handle this situation.
"When I've lost Petjurino, I've lost Line-beard Nation."
- Tom Jurich
Just about all teams try to "win at all costs". What changes from school to school is the actual definition of "win at all costs". In modern times, most schools don't roll the dice by routinely violating NCAA rules. The NCAA is imperfect, but the risk of being investigated and caught has substantially increased due to cable TV and the number of media outlets like ESPN and CBS Sports that report journalistic investigations these days. If you don't think Mark Stoops has a "win at all costs" approach, you would be mistaken. But Stoops works for an NCAA compliant athletics department, and has an employment contract that stipulates his termination if he breaks the rules. UK has not been a corrupt athletic culture since Mumme and Bassett were terminated. But UL is a corrupt athletic culture, that got worse when Jurich was hired. The CJ has turned a blind eye, but this can't go on forever. Pitino is already tattooed with the scarlet letter. Clint Hurtt was swept under the rug, but that story exposed what goes on in their football program. Now this. The Katina Powell scandal just cost the President of the University and the Board of Directors their jobs. It is only a matter of time before Jurich goes down too, and it won't be pretty. Who cares what doctrinaire UL fans say about it?
Let's just say I would be calling PJ Fleck or Brent Venerable right now...and if I'm Army I would be looking for a new coach as well...You report it when it occurs not admit to it after the fact like UofL or the Military Acedemy is now doing
I don't disagree but what about Tom? I think people like me who have defended him and this program to the end were really bothered by what happened yesterday. Something needs to be done to Tom to change the culture he's created and is allowing. I hope it can be done without letting him go but I think that has to be on the table? Would you agree?
I think this narrative is typical of UL fans' doctrinaire thinking. Oh, Pitino bangs women. Wow. Isn't he manly?? LOL! What Kratz is saying here here isn't even relevant. This isn't even about sex. It's about abuse, corruption, violations, criminal behavior, fraudulent use of state funds, contributing to delinquency of minors, coverups, conspiracies.
TJ at best is on a very short leash...but yeah...that Statement was ridiculous yesterday
Kratz, your right, a lot of men commit infidelity, but when you bring discredit to your school, it's time to step down.
Let me ask you, "How can a coach discipline a player who does something wrong, when he has been in the paper as much worse, as those two coaches have been." I think a coach has to be above reproach when he's working with students in high school or college, and these coaches, sure have not been. Jurich knew exactly what he was getting when he hired Lying Bobby, back.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
Do you really think he is on a short leash?
I said this on the basketball board but, I find it strange that out of all the things that have happened, this what the national media is going bonkers over.
Honestly I don't and in the end outside of Fines from the ACC nothing will happen...I'm just saying if it was me. Everyone will be at Louisville for the foreseeable future
I've already said I'll be glad when he's gone. I've pointed out his hypocrisy among other things. Not sure what else you want me to say on it. I admit that I do try to take a neutral view and ask has he broken any rules/laws. With Sypher, he did neither. It's not in the NCAA rulebook or any law that you can't sleep with another woman. So even though I don't like it, what am I supposed to do? He made my school look bad. I'm not his boss. I have no control other than to not watch.
What if I'm a Baptist and I hate him because he's Catholic? He hasn't broken any rules, but in my eyes he's done bad because he's a catholic that paid for an abortion. What if I'm muslim and I hate him because he's an infidel? S
See you start getting into grey areas when you apply your set of morals to someone else. Not everyone has the same set of morals, beliefs, whatever you want to call it. That's why I stay out of the Sypher issue. Plus it was in 2003. Ancient history.
I'm very embarrassed by all of the stuff going on NOW.
I think it is a combination of so many scandals have finally piled up that it can't be ignored on top of the statement Tom made yesterday. The scandal really isn't the end of the world but to blantantly say "We cheated but we're the victims because you are interfering with our bowl prep." Was really in poor taste especially when you start adding the piles of other scandals of late. I think that is why it's a breaking point for some/many. Look, many of you know I am about the biggest defender there is but I lost a ton of respect for Tom yesterday and it finally made me realize that the culture is being promoted by Tom and nothing is going to change until they do something to reprimand, suspend, cut pay, or even fire Tom.
WTF happened to Petjurino? Someone kidnapped him and replaced him with someone reasonable.
Kratz, it's not my morals, but the morals we should be showing the young men and women who are in the learning curve of life.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
The AD is trash, BB and FB coaches are trash. They only care about winning, hookers, no worries, dead cheerleader from a herion OD No worries. Cheating, paying your mistress to have an abortion come on down to trashU. Where 2, 3rd and even 4th chances are given. Oh forgot about the Accreditation issues. Nice school.
Well first off Rick didn't just have an affair. He tried to cover it up, even though he tells everyone to just own your mistakes and get them out in front of you. He paid an assistant coach to "date" the woman. Kratz, you are correct, he didn't do anything illegally, so why does he and EVERY coach in America have a moral clause in their contract? He was IMMORAL and he is paid by a public university to do the right thing. He goes into recruits homes and tells their families that he is going to set an example for their sons to do the right thing. He doesn't do it himself, how can he expect his players too? If you don't understand that, you never will.
UofL is a cesspool right now. Tom Jurich has free rein. No one can question him. And speaking of someone who doesn't have a moral compass, I've heard plenty of stories about him.
Hell just look at what he did when Petrino left the first time.....we had some questionable characters brought in by the last coach (Petrino) and we had to clean that up with Kragthorpe. He put out a complete bunch of lies and the media just lapped it up and said "yeah, Petrino would take anyone and they covered a bunch of stuff up and now, Kragthorpe is cleaning it all up." Until he started losing then guess what? We don't care if you cleaned up the program, you can't coach. So see you later.
Just admit that you don't care about anything but winning and stop with all the excuses. This is not a one time thing....it keeps happening, time and time again.
Dude when your compliance officer has to sue the school because he can't do his job!!!!!?!??!?!? What else do you need know?
UofL is a cesspool right now. Tom Jurich has free rein. No one can question him. And speaking of someone who doesn't have a moral compass, I've heard plenty of stories about him.
Hell just look at what he did when Petrino left the first time.....we had some questionable characters brought in by the last coach (Petrino) and we had to clean that up with Kragthorpe. He put out a complete bunch of lies and the media just lapped it up and said "yeah, Petrino would take anyone and they covered a bunch of stuff up and now, Kragthorpe is cleaning it all up." Until he started losing then guess what? We don't care if you cleaned up the program, you can't coach. So see you later.
Just admit that you don't care about anything but winning and stop with all the excuses. This is not a one time thing....it keeps happening, time and time again.
Dude when your compliance officer has to sue the school because he can't do his job!!!!!?!??!?!? What else do you need know?
I haven't seen anything yet that would suggest that he's on any kind of leash. he obviously doesn't answer to anybody, at least not in 'vill.
Don't see it...Watch by Saturday the College Sports world will move on to Bowl Season and UK-UNC College Basketball. He knows the media and the National General Public has a short attention span. Locally it will be a big deal
You, Sir, are correct. They will not be looked at in a respectful manner until they realize this. Gone are the Denny and Schnellenberger days.
Kratz and Public Enemy, I have seen your posts on the Louisville board, and was not shocked by the responses.
Typical moral relativism in response to your concerns from a fan base/media under the remarkable spell of Tom J.
Kratz, I was surprised one poster (BPGhost) told you that the scandal(s) did not reflect upon you personally, after you used the personal pronouns "we" and "us" with regard to the scandals and the attention the stories were getting in the national media. Perhaps that is a normal response to this kind of stress . . . . when "my" program is winning, "we" have achieved much as a sports program and University. When scandals hit, "my" or "our" program, for too many, the "us" and the "we" turns into the "they" and "them." Fanatics can hide behind assumed screen names and simply not wear the colors until the heat blows over.
I suspect the worst of this scandal is the Jurich response. He simply rubs the noses of anyone offended by actual cheating into his "disappointment" that his program has been "distracted." A bizarre response begging for the National Media attention he is receiving, and likely leading to his professional demise.
And U of L folks, I AM NO FAN OF U OF L, as anyone of you who has read my posts before, knows. But let me tell you that 10 years ago, administrators of a UK site called me "in on the carpet" for my simple honest appraisal of UK Basketball in the 1980's when I was at UK Law School. I described some of the goings on then "as close to actual organized crime, as I have personally seen." I call a spade a spade, and given my fansship of UK, I didn't/don't like shady BS affecting "my" University.
On this board in the past I have rhetorically asked U of L fans in the long-past "what will it take . . . . killings/shootings," before the crap comes to an end. Obviously, this is an awkward moment to bring those phrases back up, as the recent shootings have occurred.
Kratz, you have expressed reluctance on this and the Card forum to impose your personal morality upon others. But it is your personal moral sense of justice and fairness that has led you to call Tom J., and the programs into question. If none of us can use these tools to effectively guide ourselves and the things we love, then we are in DEEP trouble.
Someone, above, or on another thread (even perhaps on the Cards Forum) has stated their opinion that "Jurich is on a short leash." Really? Who holds the other end? Local media (the tail has wagged that dog for YEARS): the Board (who is the Board, now?). Seriously, I do not know . . . . is there any entity at U. of L. currently with all the political and other stuff going on in a secure enough position to act as a limit on Jurich?
Typical moral relativism in response to your concerns from a fan base/media under the remarkable spell of Tom J.
Kratz, I was surprised one poster (BPGhost) told you that the scandal(s) did not reflect upon you personally, after you used the personal pronouns "we" and "us" with regard to the scandals and the attention the stories were getting in the national media. Perhaps that is a normal response to this kind of stress . . . . when "my" program is winning, "we" have achieved much as a sports program and University. When scandals hit, "my" or "our" program, for too many, the "us" and the "we" turns into the "they" and "them." Fanatics can hide behind assumed screen names and simply not wear the colors until the heat blows over.
I suspect the worst of this scandal is the Jurich response. He simply rubs the noses of anyone offended by actual cheating into his "disappointment" that his program has been "distracted." A bizarre response begging for the National Media attention he is receiving, and likely leading to his professional demise.
And U of L folks, I AM NO FAN OF U OF L, as anyone of you who has read my posts before, knows. But let me tell you that 10 years ago, administrators of a UK site called me "in on the carpet" for my simple honest appraisal of UK Basketball in the 1980's when I was at UK Law School. I described some of the goings on then "as close to actual organized crime, as I have personally seen." I call a spade a spade, and given my fansship of UK, I didn't/don't like shady BS affecting "my" University.
On this board in the past I have rhetorically asked U of L fans in the long-past "what will it take . . . . killings/shootings," before the crap comes to an end. Obviously, this is an awkward moment to bring those phrases back up, as the recent shootings have occurred.
Kratz, you have expressed reluctance on this and the Card forum to impose your personal morality upon others. But it is your personal moral sense of justice and fairness that has led you to call Tom J., and the programs into question. If none of us can use these tools to effectively guide ourselves and the things we love, then we are in DEEP trouble.
Someone, above, or on another thread (even perhaps on the Cards Forum) has stated their opinion that "Jurich is on a short leash." Really? Who holds the other end? Local media (the tail has wagged that dog for YEARS): the Board (who is the Board, now?). Seriously, I do not know . . . . is there any entity at U. of L. currently with all the political and other stuff going on in a secure enough position to act as a limit on Jurich?
I know, right? But I know that is hard for him to write and sometimes it can hurt when you really examine your conscience.....so I admire him for putting it in words and sharing that on a UK website. You would never hear those words from "slapdick Zipp!"
I think this is the thing many UL fans don't understand for some reason TPE - UL is now a quality enough athletic program that they can hire a great coach that doesn't have any personal problems or embarrassing baggage.
They aren't in the AAC, Big East, CUSA...they have been inside the top 10 for the big 2 sports...it may not be a destination football job, but its in line to where it would take a big name power to grab a coach from them. In basketball there are only a few other schools plus NBA that would be able to snag their coach.
UL doesn't need Pitino and Petrinos BS anymore...not many realize it.
Honest question. If this puts him on a short leash, exactly what do you feel would he have to do to deserve to get fired?
Kudos to you for your honesty.
I agree with you on both counts. Nothing major will come of this, but if UL was smart, they'd clean out the trash and start anew.
Phil Steele has a ratings index in his magazines that rates coaching impact. I think he will have to add another point or two for Petrino after seeing the connections he and his staff have and their ability to gameplan. Phil Steele. Like they say in racing, if ya aint cheatin ya aint trying. Phil Steele. Really seems to be a Wake Forest issue. Jim Grobe had open practices. Lamar Thomas surely gave UL plays to the UK coaching defensive staff. Phil Steele. Adolph Rupp and UK went through something similar, although much much worse than UL.
Phil Steele.
Peace.
Phil Steele.
Peace.
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Agreed on your last post. Who is there to even reign in Jurich at this point? Seems to have total autonomy and those above him are in a total mess of their own. No president. Board in total chaos. State and federal audits. Only way he leaves is if he steps down on his own or if new president / board push him out.
Last I checked, having sex in public is quite illegal. So the answer is yes. Who's next on the line Tom?
They should hire him as president and AD...hell, I think everyone knows he has run the university for some time now... And hell just give the mayor's job , too.
Totally disagree, something is gonna happen and it ain't gonna be good. Nationally ul is not liked, they have one likable player (and he may be wearing thin) but that little school is going to get whats coming.