Up and coming coordinators

[vkj91]

Since many here don't think we can afford or wont get a HC if we make a change(i disagree), I figured we could throw out some top coordinators. Im not going to include guys like Smart and Venables because they would cost more than the MAC guys. In no order.....
Mike Norvell: ASU OC. I'm a huge fan of Graham and his temp of play.
Meacham: lighting it up at TCU and did the same at Houston
Josh Henson: Mizzou. His O stinks this year but has been very good in years past
Ed Warinner: OC at OSU had previous stint as OC at Kansas when they were good and went to the Orange Bowl
Jake Spavital:OC and A&M. too young at 30 but has worked under Malzahn, Sumlin, and Holgorson
Lincoln Riley: way to young but Blitz was gonna bring him us so I saved him the time
Mike Sanford: very successful as Boise OC now at ND

who else

 

[T2Kplus10]

Since many here don't think we can afford or wont get a HC if we make a change(i disagree), I figured we could throw out some top coordinators. Im not going to include guys like Smart and Venables because they would cost more than the MAC guys. In no order.....
Mike Norvell: ASU OC. I'm a huge fan of Graham and his temp of play.
Meacham: lighting it up at TCU and did the same at Houston
Josh Henson: Mizzou. His O stinks this year but has been very good in years past
Ed Warinner: OC at OSU had previous stint as OC at Kansas when they were good and went to the Orange Bowl
Jake Spavital:OC and A&M. too young at 30 but has worked under Malzahn, Sumlin, and Holgorson
Lincoln Riley: way to young but Blitz was gonna bring him us so I saved him the time
Mike Sanford: very successful as Boise OC now at ND

who else

Good list, I'll take any of these over Flood!

 

[lawmatt78]

DJ Durkin - Michigan DC. Former Florida DC and interim head coach. Rivals 2012 Recruiter of the Year.

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

Sonny Cumbie co-offensive coordinator and qb coach TCU. Younger than Meacham. Not sure how to split up the credit for TCU's offense.

 

[knightfan7]

My concern with any coordinator is I believe with all the crap that goes on, Rutgers need a HC who some experience. It'll be tough enough navigating the minefield any RU coach faces without have to learn how to run a program on top of it.

 

[MikeR0102]

Sonny Cumbie co-offensive coordinator and qb coach TCU. Younger than Meacham. Not sure how to split up the credit for TCU's offense.

Meacham calls the plays. I would think that gives him an extra notch in his belt.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Sonny Cumbie co-offensive coordinator and qb coach TCU. Younger than Meacham. Not sure how to split up the credit for TCU's offense.

Meacham calls the plays but Cumbie is from TT and they came on board together. I wouldn't hire Cumbie as HC but as OC I wouldn't mind.

Doug Meacham TCU OC and Dave Aranda Wisconsin DC are my two guys.

Pair Aranda as HC with a Meacham (350K salary), Cumbie (doesn't call plays at TCU) or even a Kliff Kingsbury if he ever got fired at TT and I'd be fine with that kind of combo.

Flip it and take a spread guy like Meacham/Babers as HC with a defensive guy like Mike Elko/Don Brown/Phil Snow as DC seems like a good combo as well.

 

[MikeR0102]

Pair Aranda as HC with a Meacham (350K salary), Cumbie (doesn't call plays at TCU) or even a Kliff Kingsbury if he ever got fired at TT and I'd be fine with that kind of combo.

Flip it and take a spread guy like Meacham/Babers as HC with a defensive guy like Mike Elko/Don Brown/Phil Snow as DC seems like a good combo as well.

Sure, but a guy like Meacham isn't going to come here to be the OC. You have to find the next guy like that. I was reading an article on TCU's offense, and Meacham was tired of being passed over for the OC duties there, because he was twice (Holgerson and Todd Monken) so he took his ball and went home. That is the kind of guy we need to find if we aren't going to spend "big" on a coordinator.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Sure, but a guy like Meacham isn't going to come here to be the OC. You have to find the next guy like that. I was reading an article on TCU's offense, and Meacham was tired of being passed over for the OC duties there, because he was twice (Holgerson and Todd Monken) so he took his ball and went home. That is the kind of guy we need to find if we aren't going to spend "big" on a coordinator.

Yup I read that same article. That's how he wound up in Houston as OC. I tend to agree that he might not come here but at only 350K paying him 600-700K may be a stretch for us but considering we paid Fridge 500K I don't push it completely out of the realm of possibility. Cumbie would be more logical and likely because he doesn't call the plays and could get a chance to here or elsewhere for that matter.

 

[G- RUnit]

No Coordinators! We are in the B1G now. Act it. Only coaches with a track record of winning.

 

[saran]

Bob Shoop- PSU DC...promised his DBs 5 INTs vs RU in 2014 and he got them. Some hold his Columbia record against him but if you know the black hole that is Columbia football he actually won a lot .

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

No Coordinators! We are in the B1G now. Act it. Only people with a track record of winning.

Georgia SEC Mark Richt, Miss. St SEC Dan Mullen, FSU name program ACC Jimbo Fisher, Oregon Chip Kelly/Mark Helfrich, Oklahoma Bob Stoops, TCU Gary Patterson, Ok. St Mike Gundy, Wisconsin Bret Bielema, Utah Kyle Whittingham

There are many others if you look over time. Some successful and some failures. Hiring a coordinator isn't some mark of a lesser program any more than hiring a mid major coach is. If you look, I don't see any discernible difference in success/failure rates of coaches with HC experience versus a coordinator. It's always about identifying the right guy, not narrowing down your list to a particular category of coach.

Even among P5 to P5 hires look to recent hires. Some solid coaches here and despite their struggles I still like some of them. Still early in some of their tenures to be fair. Charlie Strong Texas, Mike Riley Nebraska, Bret Bielema Arkansas, Gary Andersen Oregon State, none of them lighting the world on fire at their new spots yet, still early though as I said but you get the point.

 

[MikeR0102]

Georgia SEC Mark Richt, Miss. St SEC Dan Mullen, FSU name program ACC Jimbo Fisher, Oregon Chip Kelly/Mark Helfrich, Oklahoma Bob Stoops, TCU Gary Patterson, Ok. St Mike Gundy, Wisconsin Bret Bielema, Utah Kyle Whittingham

There are many others if you look over time. Some successful and some failures. Hiring a coordinator isn't some mark of a lesser program any more than hiring a mid major coach is. If you look, I don't see any discernible difference in success/failure rates of coaches with HC experience versus a coordinator. It's always about identifying the right guy, not narrowing down your list to a particular category of coach.

Even among P5 to P5 hires look to recent hires. Some solid coaches here and despite there struggles I still like some of them. Still early in some of their tenures to be fair. Charlie Strong Texas, Mike Riley Nebraska, Bret Bielema Arkansas, Gary Andersen Oregon State, none of them lighting the world on fire at their new spots yet, still early though as I said but you get the point.

Agree. Charlie Strong is another guy who had no HC experience before he became Louisville coach. Same with Friedgen at Maryland. Dantonio at Cincinnati. Key is to find guys who are at the highest level programs/ multiple years of success. Sure experience helps, but Rutgers is a spot that needs to get ahead of the curve. They took a chance on Schiano who didn't have a lot of experience and it worked out pretty well. Rutgers could have gotten a Herman or Narduzzi after 2013 if they had made a move, but donors at the time didn't want a coordinator.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

One other name not as HC but as OC if he got fired would be Kevin Wilson. He did a good job at OU and his offenses at IU are good too, it's his defense that stinks. Pair him with a defense minded HC like Aranda and I'd be find with that kind of combo as well.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Agree. Charlie Strong is another guy who had no HC experience before he became Louisville coach. Same with Friedgen at Maryland. Dantonio at Cincinnati. Key is to find guys who are at the highest level programs/ multiple years of success. Sure experience helps, but Rutgers is a spot that needs to get ahead of the curve. They took a chance on Schiano who didn't have a lot of experience and it worked out pretty well. Rutgers could have gotten a Herman or Narduzzi after 2013 if they had made a move, but donors at the time didn't want a coordinator.

Board was big on Narduzzi back then, not in my top choices but a solid one. I was big on Herman and put his background here for comment but barely got any lol. Now we see how he's blown up and it's too late. Got to sniff out that next guy before he blows up.

I agree a coordinator who has experience in total from a bunch of spots be they small or large and then tops it off by working under a top coach is perfectly fine with me and I put it on par with a guy with mid major HC experience. Herman was that for me. He coached at smaller schools as OC rose up to ISU and then finally under Meyer at OSU. That's a nice career track. Meacham is the same. OC at a bunch of smaller spots and then Houston and now OC under Patterson at TCU. I don't think he'd recruit like Herman but x/o wise I think he'd be fine. I also use Fuente as a judge of what an OC under Patterson might become and the fact that Fuente didn't neglect his defense although it's faltered a lot this year after the loss of his DC to Mizzou and 13 starters/backups.

 

[alex13rufan]

James coley Oc at Miami

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

James coley Oc at Miami

I looked up his offenses at Miami and they were kind of on the mediocre side given all the talent. That was the one saving grace for Al Golden in my eyes in that he switched to an uptempo spread. But Coley didn't seem like a great choice considering the production. So not a good choice in Mark D as DC and Coley as OC didn't seem much better.

Coley was hired in 2013 these are the stats up to the week Golden was fired.
total offense (49, 47, 68) scoring offense (34, 62, 68)

 

[rutgers4life11]

I like the list, just I think pretty loaded with both West Coast and Big12 region guys... a) are they going to ever want to come here? b) familiar with recruiting? 3) understand northeastern football?

... I don't know.

I think DJ Durkin would be a home run hire.

I also like Scottie Montgomery (Duke OC & associated HC). Dynamic guy, great recruiter, former player, NFL experience, great offenses, etc...

 

[G- RUnit]

Georgia SEC Mark Richt, Miss. St SEC Dan Mullen, FSU name program ACC Jimbo Fisher, Oregon Chip Kelly/Mark Helfrich, Oklahoma Bob Stoops, TCU Gary Patterson, Ok. St Mike Gundy, Wisconsin Bret Bielema, Utah Kyle Whittingham

There are many others if you look over time. Some successful and some failures. Hiring a coordinator isn't some mark of a lesser program any more than hiring a mid major coach is. If you look, I don't see any discernible difference in success/failure rates of coaches with HC experience versus a coordinator. It's always about identifying the right guy, not narrowing down your list to a particular category of coach.

Even among P5 to P5 hires look to recent hires. Some solid coaches here and despite their struggles I still like some of them. Still early in some of their tenures to be fair. Charlie Strong Texas, Mike Riley Nebraska, Bret Bielema Arkansas, Gary Andersen Oregon State, none of them lighting the world on fire at their new spots yet, still early though as I said but you get the point.

Ohio State went with Urban. MSU went with Donato. Michigan went with Harbaugh. PSU went with Franklin. Will take a proven winner every time and not the flavor of the month like Riley or Strong.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

The last cordinator we hired did not turn out too bad

If the cordinator has significant experience working as an asisistant at a major power program, and then being a cordinator at a major power program that counts for a lot

Being around how it should be done is very valuable.

 

[MikeR0102]

How was Strong a flavor of the month? His resume at Louisville was much stronger than Dantonio's at Michigan State and equal to Meyer pre-Florida. He might be a bad fit at Texas, but he will do a good job elsewhere.

Don't even talk about Riley. Guy is basically the west coast version of Schiano, except he coaches offense.

 

[rutgers4life11]

Ohio State went with Urban. MSU went with Donato. Michigan went with Harbaugh. PSU went with Franklin. Will take a proven winner every time and not the flavor of the month like Riley or Strong.

Of course we would. We can't afford it though. OSU, MSU, MI and PSU are all in the top 10 most profitable programs in the nation. Likewise, for better or worse, this thread was about OC/DC candidates.

We'd all love to see an all star coach come in, but unless you have $3M+ and a comparable rate for all assistants... won't happen. So you need to find the next superstar on another level.

Personally, I think it is a Head Coach, in Joe Moglia... but all options should be on the table, because literally almost anything will be better than what we got.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

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Ohio State went with Urban. MSU went with Donato. Michigan went with Harbaugh. PSU went with Franklin. Will take a proven winner every time and not the flavor of the month like Riley or Strong.

Yea so? The point is you can get successful coaches from anywhere. I wouldn't be biased in saying this coach from this category is going to do well and this coach from this category isn't and if you look at it success/failure rates of coaches with HC experience vs. coordinators with a lot of experience doesn't really differ much.

Bret Bielema wasn't a proven winner 3 straight Rose Bowls? Charlie Strong had success at Louisville. Tommy Tuberville did very well at Auburn and had an undefeated season even and then never had a winning conference record at TT after Leach never had a losing conference record since his first year. Outside of a select few, like Meyer/Saban there aren't any "proven" winners it's an illusion that some have. Being successful in one location doesn't necessarily translate to success in another. Some can be successful anywhere, some need the right fit.

My point is don't hold biases to one particular category of coach or another. It's about identifying the right guy, easier said then done but that's the goal. I wouldn't narrow down the pool based one particular category of coach.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

No Coordinators! We are in the B1G now. Act it. Only coaches with a track record of winning.

Good luck with that. The only coaches with a track record of winning that would consider RU have either plateaued/regressed where they are or have more baggage than an airport carousel during Thanksgiving week.

 

[vkj91]

Georgia SEC Mark Richt, Miss. St SEC Dan Mullen, FSU name program ACC Jimbo Fisher, Oregon Chip Kelly/Mark Helfrich, Oklahoma Bob Stoops, TCU Gary Patterson, Ok. St Mike Gundy, Wisconsin Bret Bielema, Utah Kyle Whittingham

There are many others if you look over time. Some successful and some failures. Hiring a coordinator isn't some mark of a lesser program any more than hiring a mid major coach is. If you look, I don't see any discernible difference in success/failure rates of coaches with HC experience versus a coordinator. It's always about identifying the right guy, not narrowing down your list to a particular category of coach.

Even among P5 to P5 hires look to recent hires. Some solid coaches here and despite their struggles I still like some of them. Still early in some of their tenures to be fair. Charlie Strong Texas, Mike Riley Nebraska, Bret Bielema Arkansas, Gary Andersen Oregon State, none of them lighting the world on fire at their new spots yet, still early though as I said but you get the point.

My wife would like to thank you for saving me a lot of time by posting this so I didn't have to.

 

[JHG722]

Meacham calls the plays but Cumbie is from TT and they came on board together. I wouldn't hire Cumbie as HC but as OC I wouldn't mind.

Doug Meacham TCU OC and Dave Aranda Wisconsin DC are my two guys.

Pair Aranda as HC with a Meacham (350K salary), Cumbie (doesn't call plays at TCU) or even a Kliff Kingsbury if he ever got fired at TT and I'd be fine with that kind of combo.

Flip it and take a spread guy like Meacham/Babers as HC with a defensive guy like Mike Elko/Don Brown/Phil Snow as DC seems like a good combo as well.

Phil Snow is not leaving Temple for Rutgers. He came to Temple because of the specific people on our staff. He's going to finish out here and retire to Arizona. That is his plan.

 

[vkj91]

Phil Snow is not leaving Temple for Rutgers. He came to Temple because of the specific people on our staff. He's going to finish out here and retire to Arizona. That is his plan.

At 59, I could see Temple giving him the HC'ing job in hopes someone stays more than 3 years once Rhule jets in December.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Phil Snow is not leaving Temple for Rutgers. He came to Temple because of the specific people on our staff. He's going to finish out here and retire to Arizona. That is his plan.

If Rhule were to leave and he got the HC job I see that otherwise we'll see if he leaves to anywhere else if someone comes calling. I think it was you who said he turned down WSU/Colorado and I couldn't find it anywhere and asked for some links but got none. What's his salary at Temple, I couldn't find that either.

 

[alex13rufan]

I looked up his offenses at Miami and they were kind of on the mediocre side given all the talent. That was the one saving grace for Al Golden in my eyes in that he switched to an uptempo spread. But Coley didn't seem like a great choice considering the production. So not a good choice in Mark D as DC and Coley as OC didn't seem much better.

Coley was hired in 2013 these are the stats up to the week Golden was fired.
total offense (49, 47, 68) scoring offense (34, 62, 68)

Aside from the numbers, he has a lot of things that I like. And I'll put a disclaimer out there that I know him personally.

He was a rising coach at Miami norland and went to lsu w dwayne bowe and was under sabans wing. Went to the Dolphins w saban.

He takes a year as OC at fiu under Cristinal and does very well recruiting there.

Jimbo fisher notices and brings him up to his alma mater at Fsu and rises ranks to recruiting coordinator and eventually offensive coordinator.

He goes home to Miami for more money (500k) but also more responsiblity (jimbo had an oc but called the offense)

Miami recruiting in Florida changed dramatically for golden once he got there. They have done a much better job. Golden did not relate to the coaches and kids down there so needed some swag.

Coley while being raised in Florida, would do well in the northeast. He comes from a clean cut cuban family. Dad is Irish but he identifies more with being latin.

He won Matias over in a few weeks (if not for coley he goes to Rutgers). He recruited bjorn woerner up in Connecticut.

For Rutgers to be successful they have to have a tireless worker that knows and connects to the landscape.

 

[alex13rufan]

If Rhule were to leave and he got the HC job I see that otherwise we'll see if he leaves to anywhere else if someone comes calling. I think it was you who said he turned down WSU/Colorado and I couldn't find it anywhere and asked for some links but got none. What's his salary at Temple, I couldn't find that either.

Rhule makes 1.3 at temple

 

[alex13rufan]

Re rhule- it takes some time for realities to surface. When certain kids were going there, they were believing in that staff. And they recruit hard.

To think tyler matakevich performed really well at Rutgers and wasnt even offered as a preferred walk on

 

[G- RUnit]

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Yea so? The point is you can get successful coaches from anywhere. I wouldn't be biased in saying this coach from this category is going to do well and this coach from this category isn't and if you look at it success/failure rates of coaches with HC experience vs. coordinators with a lot of experience doesn't really differ much.

Bret Bielema wasn't a proven winner 3 straight Rose Bowls? Charlie Strong had success at Louisville. Tommy Tuberville did very well at Auburn and had an undefeated season even and then never had a winning conference record at TT after Leach never had a losing conference record since his first year. Outside of a select few, like Meyer/Saban there aren't any "proven" winners it's an illusion that some have. Being successful in one location doesn't necessarily translate to success in another. Some can be successful anywhere, some need the right fit.

My point is don't hold biases to one particular category of coach or another. It's about identifying the right guy, easier said then done but that's the goal. I wouldn't narrow down the pool based one particular category of coach.

Charlie Strong was not as successful as Petrino and is not even a .500 coach without Teddy Bridgewater. I like Bielema. Tuberville rebuit Mississippi, was awesome at Auburn and was still above .500 and a bowl team at Texas Tech and is now 18-8 at Cincy. My point is we need a proven winner somewhere.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Rhule makes 1.3 at temple

Thanks but it's not Rhule's salary I'm talking about it's Phil Snow their defensive coordinator I'm talking about and for a DC position not HC position. He's saying he's not leaving Temple and has turned down other offers. I asked for links on that and his salary.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Charlie Strong was not as successful as Petrino and is not even a .500 coach without Teddy Bridgewater. I like Bielema. Tuberville rebuit Mississippi, was awesome at Auburn and was still above .500 and a bowl team at Texas Tech and is now 18-8 at Cincy. My point is we need a proven winner somewhere.

I still like Bielema despite his issues at Arkansas and still think Strong is a good coach just think he needs to be smarter about choosing his OC. He messed that up on his first try at Louisville too. Tuberville went to bowls at TT but didn't have a .500 record in conference and that's after Leach never had a below .500 record since his first year. He was also rumored to be on the way out there but Cincy gave him a lifeline offer and he took it. I still think he's a solid coach too. As I've said overall record is something to look at but conference record is very important because those are your competitors year in and year out, you can't run away from them if you're going to move up in the world.

I get the wanting HC experience, it's logical. But in practice when I look at the actual results of guys with mid major HC experience or sometimes even P5 experience I don't know that I see a discernible difference in success/failure rates versus long time coordinators especially ones who spent some time under good coaches. If i saw one avenue that looks better for sure I'd say take that route but just seeing results it doesn't seem like it. I

 

[NickyNewark51]

Aside from the numbers, he has a lot of things that I like. And I'll put a disclaimer out there that I know him personally.

He was a rising coach at Miami norland and went to lsu w dwayne bowe and was under sabans wing. Went to the Dolphins w saban.

He takes a year as OC at fiu under Cristinal and does very well recruiting there.

Jimbo fisher notices and brings him up to his alma mater at Fsu and rises ranks to recruiting coordinator and eventually offensive coordinator.

He goes home to Miami for more money (500k) but also more responsiblity (jimbo had an oc but called the offense)

Miami recruiting in Florida changed dramatically for golden once he got there. They have done a much better job. Golden did not relate to the coaches and kids down there so needed some swag.

Coley while being raised in Florida, would do well in the northeast. He comes from a clean cut cuban family. Dad is Irish but he identifies more with being latin.

He won Matias over in a few weeks (if not for coley he goes to Rutgers). He recruited bjorn woerner up in Connecticut.

For Rutgers to be successful they have to have a tireless worker that knows and connects to the landscape.

Getting Matias was amazing given the touching story about how and why he chose RU made a nice human interest story....I thought someone offered his humble family a dufflebag full of large bills to get them to switch....I lost a lot of respect for our recruiting to lose him after devoting so much time love and energy into the kid and honestly didn't and still don't wish him good fortune...I know it ain't right but such is being an RU fan. Thanks for the info.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I looked a DJ Durkin but not as enthused about him. He'd probably be a good recruiter hard to say about coaching. He worked under Muschamp and after DC Dan Quinn who jumped to the NFL. He took over a very good defense at Florida. He's doing the same at Michigan this year. Credit for maintaining it but it would be easier to discern how much influence he's really making if you saw a jump in performance like say Venables at Clemson or even Aranda at Wisconsin/Utah State. Since both schools were already set up as top 5-10 defenses it's hard to know how much influence is his coaching, but like I said credit for maintenance.

 

[IvyLeagueFootball]

I would take a look at the Cincinnati Bengals Defensive Coordinator Paul Guenther:
- grew up in Bucks County Pennsylvania
- was named the head coach at Ursinus at age 26 and took them to the D3 playoffs twice in 4 years.
- college roommates with Dan Mullen

 

[JHG722]

Thanks but it's not Rhule's salary I'm talking about it's Phil Snow their defensive coordinator I'm talking about and for a DC position not HC position. He's saying he's not leaving Temple and has turned down other offers. I asked for links on that and his salary.

I do not have any links, because it wasn't public information. If you want to tweet Temple's editor John DiCarlo @jdicarlo I'm sure he will tell you it's true. Phil Snow was the DC at Boise, ASU, UCLA, and Washington, so I have no need to lie about CU and WSU offering him the position. Also, again, Rhule makes $1.5M.

 

[vkj91]

I would take a look at the Cincinnati Bengals Defensive Coordinator Paul Guenther:
- grew up in Bucks County Pennsylvania
- was named the head coach at Ursinus at age 26 and took them to the D3 playoffs twice in 4 years.
- college roommates with Dan Mullen

As bad as his Wiki page is I'd bet his agent isn't working the phones. They don't even list his HC record.

 

[ArminRU]

I'd take a Solid coordinator in a heartbeat. He needs to be able to recruit though. A younger, high energy guy who can relate to the nj top prospects.

This whole family angle doesn't work with those kids. It's not the south Flood.