update per HUGH FREEZE: Ark State has more talent!...

[imissplatinumplus]

I have seen some depressing press conf but hughfreeze takes the cake. Not only does he look like he just drank a big gulp of purpledrank, he confirms that TSUN has no talent. He said that last yr Ark State team had not only more talent but more depth. If you are a fan of TSUN and can make it through that press conference without burning your tix then good for you. He has mentioned Eli and Oxford more times than anything else. Sad day for the bears!
Couldnt happen to a worse group of people.

GTHTSUN!

 

[The Peeper]

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[EAVdog]

I wonder how the players at Ole Miss like being told they are worse than Arkansas State. I know he has to dampen expectations but that's brutal. Especially when they do have some talent at spots. He didn't need to go all Houston Nutt (or Mullen for that matter) but damn he went Madea on their heads.

 

[shotgunDawg]

EAV, You touch on a great point. If you follow some of our players on twitter, you will see that they were so fired up by what Mullen said yesterday whether it was ridiculous or not. Players want their coach to believe in them and have their back. Mullen does this, he works their *** off, yells at them, but then has their back, motivates them, and brings them confidence. Besides schematics and hard work, this may be the single biggest difference between Mullen, and Croom and Freeze. Croom and Freeze seem hell bent to manage expectations in order to make themselves look better. Mullen was never concerned about that. Even in Mullen's first year, when we sucked, he motivated them and believed in them.

 

[dawgstudent]

you say it's going to be a long rebuilding job - you make recruiting that much harder. Croom would say it's a 4-5 year job. So your first and second year - you are telling recruits that it will be year 3 or 4 until they can sniff a bowl game.

And I know Freeze didn't exactly say that but you can easily infer/twist that's what he was meaning.

 

[GloryDawg]

Just Saying.</p>

 

[shotgunDawg]

Dawg, I heard Matt say that and I think he is exactly right. Today is the most negative I have heard Freeze, and, time will tell, but its possible that he made a big mistake by what he said today.<div>
</div><div>Just look at the difference in how Mullen and Franklin have handled low expectations, and how Freeze and Croom have handled them from a media standpoint. If you don't see a noticeable difference then your not paying attention.</div>

 

[sardis]

I didn't hear it if he did.

 

[maroonmadman]

They predicted UM to go 3-9 this year, 0 SEC wins and a 4th consecutive Egg Bowl loss.

In the SEC media vote on who will win the west division UM did get a single vote. Oxford Godfreythat had to be you.

 

[DerHntr]

Freeze: "I'm cautiously optimistic we're headed in the right direction."

Damn it. He isn't even willing to say he is sure of his own ability to implement the new program.

 

[Foronce]

nm

 

[FlabLoser]

I stand before you...3 national championships...and lo, out of the wilderness...Manning....13th in all-time bowl wins.....long-suffering....Manning....offering plate...lead the series in Egg Bowl wins.....a-men....Manning

Good, good. Live in the past. Hate the present.

 

[EAVdog]

ancienthistoryku

 

[00Dawg]

Make us a 1912 Bacardi Bowl Champions desktop with a Cuban motif.
The 1937 Bacardi Bowl apparently had a logo, as you can buy a retro looking t-shirt. Could be a recent mock-up, but it's got the right look.

There's also the Cuban flag, and of course the old Bacardi logo:

Meanwhile, a picture ofour victoriousteam, include 4-sport star Morley Jennings.

 

[MaroonedNdaRock]

So he and Norsworthy are discussing OM talent and Fischer says they need to do something gimmicky like Hal Mumme did at UK. Then follows that up with..."When is Mississippi State going to figure that out?"

WHAT!?! Figure what out? Hal Mumme won less games in his first three years than Mullen and lost two bowl games. Oh and Hal Mumme vs everyone in the SECE not named Vandy...2-14. Both those wins were vs USC teams with a combined record of 1-21. I know it is Reb56 but that is some dumb excrement. Praise Buckey because Papa Manning put his blessing on him, use Hal Mumme's career at UK as something to achieve at OM and MSU. Then continue to question what Mullen and State are accomplishing. DUMB 17er.

 

[Mikoma]

No doubt the situation is not so good in Oxford right now. I hate to see either State or Ole Miss get this far down. One thing I cannot understand, however, is recruiting. Mullen is a dynamic leader and a very good coach and seems to have everything going for him. Nevertheless, UM seems to be having a much better recruiting year (according to Scout and Rivals). If this trend continues Ole Miss will catch up pretty quickly and be more competitive with State sooner than expected. Good luck to both teams!!

 

[gdogg]

"only 60% of my players have bought in..............so we been working on that...."

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Even if it's true, you don't say it.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Even if it's true, you don't say it.

 

[LeDuke.nafoom]

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</div><div>Just look at the difference in how Mullen and Franklin have handled low expectations, and how Freeze and Croom have handled them from a media standpoint. If you don't see a noticeable difference then your not paying attention.</div>

But what's the point? Mullen spins the status of the program and puts smiles on faces without winning, and that's admirable, but if a coach is honest, it's not? I am not saying Freeze's tact is good. I think the appropriate approach is somewhere in the middle, between telling them to expect garbage and telling them to expect a national championship.

 

[BogeyGolfer.sixpack]

how is Mullen not "winning"? He has a 21-17 record and has won two consecutive bowl games, one against a national power. He has beaten UF and UGA in that time span and don't give me that BS that Florida was "down", they were ranked when we beat them. Plus, he has beaten his in-state rival three times in a row. Please explain to how that is not winning?

 

[MiloDanglers]

I thought it was appropriate and honest, an obvious change of pace from the prior coach. It actually fired me up a little. That being said, if he taqkes the same tone a year from now I imagine I'll be a little disconcerted. But, as it is, he tells it like he sees it and it feels quite nice to have someone at the helm whose words you can trust.

 

[LeDuke.nafoom]

I like the use of the phrase "in-state rival" instead of "worst team in SEC history." Makes that three-peat impressive.

 

[BogeyGolfer.sixpack]

it must feel like total **** to have zero expectations for your football program for theforeseeablefuture. Also, you can downplay Mullen's success, and I'll continue to enjoyroadtrips to various bowl games at seasons end.

 

[LeDuke.nafoom]

I said Mullen spun your performance into some kind of on-the-cusp-of-a-national-title situation. You didn't debunk that assertion.

You beat Florida on their way down. You beat Georgia. You have beat Da TSUN Bearzzzz three times. That's what you yourself listed. So you're saying that Mullen hasn't spun that into something much, much bigger?

A bowl game is something you're supposed to go to at a minimum. Any "winning" team with six wins is going to go to one. So you win, technically you're "winning," and I foolishly questioned that your level of winning is not almost a national title. My bad.

 

[JabbatheGut1]

 

[muddawgs33]

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<span style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">I thought it was appropriate and honest, an obvious change of pace from the prior coach. It actually fired me up a little. That being said, if he taqkes the same tone a year from now I imagine I'll be a little disconcerted. But, as it is, he tells it like he sees it and it feels quite nice to have someone at the helm whose words you can trust.</span>

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</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">While you don't like your coach blowing smoke up your ***, you sure as hell don't want to be as brutally honest as he has been. I think the remark about only 60% of players buying into the program was a good remark, because that might motivate the other 40% to buy in, but saying you have more talent and depth at Arkansas State a 17ing sunbelt team that's in one of the worst conferences is a slap to his players face and to your fans. Now if he would have said Ark. State has more experience than Ole Miss, that would tell your fan base that you are going to struggle, but it won't tell your players that they are talent less pussies... But whatever, keep getting fired up about sucking. </span></div>

 

[LeDuke.nafoom]

He caps off each ****** season by beating TSUN, promises a national title is around the corner, insert hook in largemouth.

 

[DancingRabbit]

And leduck, we don't cap off our season beating you. It's called bowl practice.

 

[biguglyjoe]

He's capped off his last two seasons by winning a bowl game, not beating UM. Don't be a troll. Rise above it man. Seriously.

 

[biguglyjoe]

You: But what's the point? Mullen spins the status of the program and puts smiles on faces without winning,
Bogey: how is Mullen not "winning"? He has a 21-17 record and has won two consecutive bowl games, one against a national power. He has beaten UF and UGA in that time span and don't give me that BS
that Florida was "down", they were ranked when we beat them. Plus, he
has beaten his in-state rival three times in a row. Please explain to
how that is not winning?

He asked you a simple question and you have no answer. Mullen's record proves your statement false. Just because the team you pull for has become his ***** doesn't change the fact that he has a winning record and he wins in the post season. The fact that our "in-state rival" and the "shittiest team in SEC history" is synonymous is no fault of Mullen's. Blame your administration and the good ol' boys for that.

 

[AROB44]

nm

 

[patdog]

They're desperate for some good news so they are trying to spin the positive into anything he says. It's just human nature. I'm sure we'd be doing the same if we were in their situation right now.

 

[thunderclap]

I watched about 60 seconds of that press conference and it damn near depressed me.

 

[MiloDanglers]

was not the part that particularly fired me up. But again, I would rather him be honest than tell us everything is fine. Whats the point of that? If we are less talented than last years Ark State team, then so be it. Change it, Hugh.

 

[EAVdog]

Nutt was just a snake oil salesman.

 

[LeDuke.nafoom]

<span style="text-decoration: line-through;"></span>And spinning it to near-national-title accomplishment. You still haven't really made a point to counter that.

Cutcliffe had winning records, too, mostly against out-of-conference teams and ****** SEC teams. Never won the West. Routinely went to bowl games, since anyone with a pulse can make a bowl. Never declared we were a **** hair away from a national title, or we'd have laughed in his Otis Campbell face.

 

[LeDuke.nafoom]

National titles from news services you don't find credible, along with six inarguable SEC titles, is so much more pathetic than bragging for decades about losing the SEC title game. Losing a conference title over a decade ago is cooler than winning three national titles and six SEC titles several decades ago. Got it.

I'm also going out on a limb to say I'll take three national titles from news services perhaps not accepted as the top decider over never having any national title awarded by anyone, ever.

 

[spacecataz]

How you guys latch on to everything Mullen says and then get your nuts in a vice about it. Y'all are literally paying more attention to what Dan Mullen says and does that you don't have time to worry about that abortion of a team you have now. Let the man aim high and make remarks about national championships...it beats having a beaver ***** about how much better his Arkansas State team was.

 

[EAVdog]

Go back and watch the tape of what Mullen said, not just quotes from Red Cup Rebellion. He was making the point that we are close to competing for a National Championship.

I get it you love when your new coach says;

We're gonna suck *** this year but y'all come on up to the Grove and we can all talk about our 3 National Championships and 6 SEC Championships.

Freeze knows Ole Miss, you don't have to win as long as you can keep talking about 'the glory days'. You can tell Pete Boone had a hand in hiring him. I bet his only question in the interview was 'do you know how many National Championships we claim?'

And you numb nuts eat it up and look down on us for actually winning games.