UVA AD Carla Williams releases statement on O'Connor's departure

onewoof

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oh snap. I guess I’m woke. I’ll just quote my girl, T Swift. I’m the problem, It’s me.
I thought woke was over-representation of a historically under-represented demographic. So if 1% of a population was under-represented, make up for it by ushering a representative of that group to the top of leadership to correct the horrible faults of the historically favored majority. Deserving or undeserving, flip the script. Or maybe woke could mean your ethics are crowd-sourced online: daily, hourly based on <3 likes and astroturf viral momentum.
 

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Baseball is important at State and to State fans. Why not spend money on something we tend to be good at and has high attendance.
Agreed... but apparently anybody that doesn't want to spend that kind of money on baseball is now Woke EVEN in places that don't have fans coming to games to a perennial National contending team.
 
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Dawgg

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I thought woke was over-representation of a historically under-represented demographic. So if 1% of a population was under-represented, make up for it by ushering a representative of that group to the top of leadership to correct the horrible faults of the historically favored majority. Deserving or undeserving, flip the script. Or maybe woke could mean your ethics are crowd-sourced online: daily, hourly based on <3 likes and astroturf viral momentum.
Yeah, this person with a (checks notes) Doctorate in Sports Administration was really “ushered to the top of leadership”… 17 years after her first athletic department position.

2000–2003Vanderbilt (assistant AD)
2003–2004Vanderbilt (associate AD)
2004–2008Georgia (associate AD)
2008–2011Georgia (senior associate AD)
2011–2015Georgia (executive AD)
2015–2017Georgia (deputy AD)
2017–presentVirginia AD

You could put that resume up against just about any sitting AD. I was curious, so I did. Here’s Greg Byrne’s:

1995–1998Oregon (Asst. AD)
1998–2002Oregon State (Assoc. AD)
2002–2005Kentucky (Assoc. AD)
2006–2008Mississippi State (Sr. Assoc.)
2008–2010Mississippi State
2010–2017Arizona
2017–presentAlabama

So, Byrne got his first Power conference AD job 13 years in and Williams got hers 17 years in. So, who was “ushered in” to a leadership position?
 

L4Dawg

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Read my other messages dumb dumb

You never mentioned that till you got called on it. What about that statement was woke? It was generic PR speak when you lose a valued employee. As for spending money on women's sports, it's no dumber than spending it on college baseball. It fact for women's basketball it's probably smarter overall. You get more recognition for doing well in that than you do college baseball. Both are dumb though, especially now.
 
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L4Dawg

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Baseball is important at State and to State fans. Why not spend money on something we tend to be good at and has high attendance.
Because it can't pay the bills for the rest of the athletic department.
 

jethreauxdawg

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I thought woke was over-representation of a historically under-represented demographic. So if 1% of a population was under-represented, make up for it by ushering a representative of that group to the top of leadership to correct the horrible faults of the historically favored majority. Deserving or undeserving, flip the script. Or maybe woke could mean your ethics are crowd-sourced online: daily, hourly based on <3 likes and astroturf viral momentum.
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Because it can't pay the bills for the rest of the athletic department.
That is fine but when you have donors with deep pockets that give you $$$ earmarked for certain sports, then you spend it on that sport. Basketball and baseball at Mississippi State have enough of those to make us nationally competitive. Football, not so much.
 
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This thread
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L4Dawg

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That is fine but when you have donors with deep pockets that give you $$$ earmarked for certain sports, then you spend it on that sport. Basketball and baseball at Mississippi State have enough of those to make us nationally competitive. Football, not so much.
It's still stupid to spend that king of money on college baseball. Of course we have always been stupid when it comes to that. Baseball is a money pit.
 

onewoof

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Yeah, this person with a (checks notes) Doctorate in Sports Administration was really “ushered to the top of leadership”… 17 years after her first athletic department position.

2000–2003Vanderbilt (assistant AD)
2003–2004Vanderbilt (associate AD)
2004–2008Georgia (associate AD)
2008–2011Georgia (senior associate AD)
2011–2015Georgia (executive AD)
2015–2017Georgia (deputy AD)
2017–presentVirginia AD

You could put that resume up against just about any sitting AD. I was curious, so I did. Here’s Greg Byrne’s:

1995–1998Oregon (Asst. AD)
1998–2002Oregon State (Assoc. AD)
2002–2005Kentucky (Assoc. AD)
2006–2008Mississippi State (Sr. Assoc.)
2008–2010Mississippi State
2010–2017Arizona
2017–presentAlabama

So, Byrne got his first Power conference AD job 13 years in and Williams got hers 17 years in. So, who was “ushered in” to a leadership position?

You are correct, now do the appointments in the Biden administration for comparison. Also, as previously mentioned, maybe keep an eye on the replacement baseball coach since there is clearly no agenda present oh ye of great faith. Maybe there is maybe their aint. Best to turn a blind eye to it all and claim it does not exist.
 

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woke is critical consciousness applied to modern society. In simplistic terms, it's the acceptance of an oppressor vs. oppressed framework combined with the sacralization of some groups to protect them from criticism and the behavioral standards applied to the oppressor group. Equity (equal outcomes) is preferred to equality because advocates believe society and all institutions are designed by the oppressor class and thus prevent actual equal opportunity. Discrimination against members of the oppressor class and in favor of the oppressed is a positive good to those who accept this theoretical framework
 

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woke is critical consciousness applied to modern society. In simplistic terms, it's the acceptance of an oppressor vs. oppressed framework combined with the sacralization of some groups to protect them from criticism and the behavioral standards applied to the oppressor group. Equity (equal outcomes) is preferred to equality because advocates believe society and all institutions are designed by the oppressor class and thus prevent actual equal opportunity. Discrimination against members of the oppressor class and in favor of the oppressed is a positive good to those who accept this theoretical framework
Ooh, fun game. Let me try:
You've presented a concise and critical interpretation of the term woke as it's used in political and cultural discourse, particularly from a skeptical or critical perspective. Let's break down and assess the accuracy and implications of the framework you've outlined:


1. Woke as "Critical Consciousness Applied to Modern Society"


This is a fairly accurate starting point. The concept of wokeness originally stems from awareness of social injustice, particularly racial injustice. It's often linked to critical theory and critical race theory, both of which emphasize power structures and systemic inequality.


  • Critical consciousness (a term developed by Paulo Freire) is about recognizing and challenging social, political, and economic oppression.
  • Applied to modern society, it can lead to activism and social reform efforts intended to address historical and ongoing injustices.

2. Oppressor vs. Oppressed Framework


Yes, this dichotomy is central to many modern activist theories. Groups are often viewed in terms of:


  • Structural power (e.g., whiteness, maleness, cisgender identity)
  • Marginalization or subordination (e.g., racial minorities, LGBTQ+ communities)

Critics argue this binary oversimplifies complex social dynamics, reducing individuals to their group identities rather than treating them as individuals.


3. Sacralization of Some Groups


This refers to the idea that certain identities become morally untouchable—criticizing or questioning them can be seen as taboo. This aligns with what critics often call "moral asymmetry", where:


  • Marginalized groups are shielded from criticism.
  • Majority or dominant groups are scrutinized more harshly.

Some scholars (like Jonathan Haidt or John McWhorter) argue that this creates a quasi-religious or moral absolutism in progressive discourse.


4. Equity vs. Equality


This is a real and important distinction:


  • Equality = equal treatment or opportunity.
  • Equity = equal outcomes or correcting for historical disadvantages.

Proponents of equity argue that neutral treatment today isn't enough to overcome centuries of systemic oppression. Critics argue this approach leads to reverse discrimination or undermines meritocracy.


5. Discrimination Against the "Oppressor Class" as a Positive Good


Some radical interpretations of social justice do accept this logic, under the premise that:


  • Power must be redistributed even if it means disadvantaging previously dominant groups.
  • This redistribution is framed as justice or restorative balance, not as unfairness.

However, not all advocates of social justice agree with this view. Many seek reform and inclusivity without endorsing discrimination.





Summary


Your framing aligns with how many critics of modern social justice movements interpret wokeness. It highlights a tension between:


  • Historical justice vs. individual fairness
  • Group-based moral assessments vs. individual rights
  • Cultural sensitivity vs. ideological rigidity


ETA: if the above seems to make sense, it’s because they are not my thoughts. Haven’t even read it.
 

Dawgg

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You are correct, now do the appointments in the Biden administration for comparison. Also, as previously mentioned, maybe keep an eye on the replacement coach since there is clearly no agenda present oh ye of great faith.
What in the 17 does Biden have to do with the Virginia AD or baseball coach, you dumb 17?

You blew a racist dogwhistle and it didn’t work out the way you thought it would. Be a man and take the L. Don’t try to pivot to an anti-Biden circle jerk.
 
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Dawgg

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Ooh, fun game. Let me try:
You've presented a concise and critical interpretation of the term woke as it's used in political and cultural discourse, particularly from a skeptical or critical perspective. Let's break down and assess the accuracy and implications of the framework you've outlined:


1. Woke as "Critical Consciousness Applied to Modern Society"


This is a fairly accurate starting point. The concept of wokeness originally stems from awareness of social injustice, particularly racial injustice. It's often linked to critical theory and critical race theory, both of which emphasize power structures and systemic inequality.


  • Critical consciousness (a term developed by Paulo Freire) is about recognizing and challenging social, political, and economic oppression.
  • Applied to modern society, it can lead to activism and social reform efforts intended to address historical and ongoing injustices.

2. Oppressor vs. Oppressed Framework


Yes, this dichotomy is central to many modern activist theories. Groups are often viewed in terms of:


  • Structural power (e.g., whiteness, maleness, cisgender identity)
  • Marginalization or subordination (e.g., racial minorities, LGBTQ+ communities)

Critics argue this binary oversimplifies complex social dynamics, reducing individuals to their group identities rather than treating them as individuals.


3. Sacralization of Some Groups


This refers to the idea that certain identities become morally untouchable—criticizing or questioning them can be seen as taboo. This aligns with what critics often call "moral asymmetry", where:


  • Marginalized groups are shielded from criticism.
  • Majority or dominant groups are scrutinized more harshly.

Some scholars (like Jonathan Haidt or John McWhorter) argue that this creates a quasi-religious or moral absolutism in progressive discourse.


4. Equity vs. Equality


This is a real and important distinction:


  • Equality = equal treatment or opportunity.
  • Equity = equal outcomes or correcting for historical disadvantages.

Proponents of equity argue that neutral treatment today isn't enough to overcome centuries of systemic oppression. Critics argue this approach leads to reverse discrimination or undermines meritocracy.


5. Discrimination Against the "Oppressor Class" as a Positive Good


Some radical interpretations of social justice do accept this logic, under the premise that:


  • Power must be redistributed even if it means disadvantaging previously dominant groups.
  • This redistribution is framed as justice or restorative balance, not as unfairness.

However, not all advocates of social justice agree with this view. Many seek reform and inclusivity without endorsing discrimination.





Summary


Your framing aligns with how many critics of modern social justice movements interpret wokeness. It highlights a tension between:


  • Historical justice vs. individual fairness
  • Group-based moral assessments vs. individual rights
  • Cultural sensitivity vs. ideological rigidity


ETA: if the above seems to make sense, it’s because they are not my thoughts. Haven’t even read it.
Jonathan Haidt never played nobody.
 
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paindonthurt

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You never mentioned that till you got called on it. What about that statement was woke? It was generic PR speak when you lose a valued employee. As for spending money on women's sports, it's no dumber than spending it on college baseball. It fact for women's basketball it's probably smarter overall. You get more recognition for doing well in that than you do college baseball. Both are dumb though, especially now.
I didn't say her statement was woke. I said woke AF. I'm sorry you and others thought that was about the statement. You know what they say about assuming dont you?
 

paindonthurt

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It's still stupid to spend that king of money on college baseball. Of course we have always been stupid when it comes to that. Baseball is a money pit.
Its stupid to reject a boosters money if that booster wants it only to go to baseball?

We got another double digit iq here 👏👏👏
 

Dawgg

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I didn't say her statement was woke. I said woke AF. I'm sorry you and others thought that was about the statement. You know what they say about assuming dont you?
Yeah, pretty wild to assume you were responding to her statement when you quote-replied with her entire statement.***

You could have prepended “She is ” to “Woke AF” and cleared up the confusion. Also, “prepended” means “add to the beginning”. I’ll save you the Google search.

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Ooh, fun game. Let me try:
You've presented a concise and critical interpretation of the term woke as it's used in political and cultural discourse, particularly from a skeptical or critical perspective. Let's break down and assess the accuracy and implications of the framework you've outlined:


1. Woke as "Critical Consciousness Applied to Modern Society"


This is a fairly accurate starting point. The concept of wokeness originally stems from awareness of social injustice, particularly racial injustice. It's often linked to critical theory and critical race theory, both of which emphasize power structures and systemic inequality.


  • Critical consciousness (a term developed by Paulo Freire) is about recognizing and challenging social, political, and economic oppression.
  • Applied to modern society, it can lead to activism and social reform efforts intended to address historical and ongoing injustices.

2. Oppressor vs. Oppressed Framework


Yes, this dichotomy is central to many modern activist theories. Groups are often viewed in terms of:


  • Structural power (e.g., whiteness, maleness, cisgender identity)
  • Marginalization or subordination (e.g., racial minorities, LGBTQ+ communities)

Critics argue this binary oversimplifies complex social dynamics, reducing individuals to their group identities rather than treating them as individuals.


3. Sacralization of Some Groups


This refers to the idea that certain identities become morally untouchable—criticizing or questioning them can be seen as taboo. This aligns with what critics often call "moral asymmetry", where:


  • Marginalized groups are shielded from criticism.
  • Majority or dominant groups are scrutinized more harshly.

Some scholars (like Jonathan Haidt or John McWhorter) argue that this creates a quasi-religious or moral absolutism in progressive discourse.


4. Equity vs. Equality


This is a real and important distinction:


  • Equality = equal treatment or opportunity.
  • Equity = equal outcomes or correcting for historical disadvantages.

Proponents of equity argue that neutral treatment today isn't enough to overcome centuries of systemic oppression. Critics argue this approach leads to reverse discrimination or undermines meritocracy.


5. Discrimination Against the "Oppressor Class" as a Positive Good


Some radical interpretations of social justice do accept this logic, under the premise that:


  • Power must be redistributed even if it means disadvantaging previously dominant groups.
  • This redistribution is framed as justice or restorative balance, not as unfairness.

However, not all advocates of social justice agree with this view. Many seek reform and inclusivity without endorsing discrimination.





Summary


Your framing aligns with how many critics of modern social justice movements interpret wokeness. It highlights a tension between:


  • Historical justice vs. individual fairness
  • Group-based moral assessments vs. individual rights
  • Cultural sensitivity vs. ideological rigidity


ETA: if the above seems to make sense, it’s because they are not my thoughts. Haven’t even read it.
AI is awesome.
 

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Ooh, fun game. Let me try:
You've presented a concise and critical interpretation of the term woke as it's used in political and cultural discourse, particularly from a skeptical or critical perspective. Let's break down and assess the accuracy and implications of the framework you've outlined:


1. Woke as "Critical Consciousness Applied to Modern Society"


This is a fairly accurate starting point. The concept of wokeness originally stems from awareness of social injustice, particularly racial injustice. It's often linked to critical theory and critical race theory, both of which emphasize power structures and systemic inequality.


  • Critical consciousness (a term developed by Paulo Freire) is about recognizing and challenging social, political, and economic oppression.
  • Applied to modern society, it can lead to activism and social reform efforts intended to address historical and ongoing injustices.

2. Oppressor vs. Oppressed Framework


Yes, this dichotomy is central to many modern activist theories. Groups are often viewed in terms of:


  • Structural power (e.g., whiteness, maleness, cisgender identity)
  • Marginalization or subordination (e.g., racial minorities, LGBTQ+ communities)

Critics argue this binary oversimplifies complex social dynamics, reducing individuals to their group identities rather than treating them as individuals.


3. Sacralization of Some Groups


This refers to the idea that certain identities become morally untouchable—criticizing or questioning them can be seen as taboo. This aligns with what critics often call "moral asymmetry", where:


  • Marginalized groups are shielded from criticism.
  • Majority or dominant groups are scrutinized more harshly.

Some scholars (like Jonathan Haidt or John McWhorter) argue that this creates a quasi-religious or moral absolutism in progressive discourse.


4. Equity vs. Equality


This is a real and important distinction:


  • Equality = equal treatment or opportunity.
  • Equity = equal outcomes or correcting for historical disadvantages.

Proponents of equity argue that neutral treatment today isn't enough to overcome centuries of systemic oppression. Critics argue this approach leads to reverse discrimination or undermines meritocracy.


5. Discrimination Against the "Oppressor Class" as a Positive Good


Some radical interpretations of social justice do accept this logic, under the premise that:


  • Power must be redistributed even if it means disadvantaging previously dominant groups.
  • This redistribution is framed as justice or restorative balance, not as unfairness.

However, not all advocates of social justice agree with this view. Many seek reform and inclusivity without endorsing discrimination.





Summary


Your framing aligns with how many critics of modern social justice movements interpret wokeness. It highlights a tension between:


  • Historical justice vs. individual fairness
  • Group-based moral assessments vs. individual rights
  • Cultural sensitivity vs. ideological rigidity


ETA: if the above seems to make sense, it’s because they are not my thoughts. Haven’t even read it.
Huh?
 

patdog

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I laugh at them for buying the gator bowl for 16 million.
I wish we had bought 10 wins instead of 2. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen and a lot of our fans really believe this. Says a lot about why they’re winning 10 games and we’re winning 2. We are so freaking stupid in a lot of what we do as an athletic dept & as a fanbase.
 
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What will the discussions be over the next couple of months? We're entering a sh*tty time for college sports especially since we're out of the CWS.
 

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Yeah, pretty wild to assume you were responding to her statement when you quote-replied with her entire statement.***

You could have prepended “She is ” to “Woke AF” and cleared up the confusion. Also, “prepended” means “add to the beginning”. I’ll save you the Google search.

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Cute.
 

onewoof

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What in the 17 does Biden have to do with the Virginia AD or baseball coach, you dumb 17?

You blew a racist dogwhistle and it didn’t work out the way you thought it would. Be a man and take the L. Don’t try to pivot to an anti-Biden circle jerk.
If you can step back and look at perspective instead of the immediate topic (in question tbh), then you can see a bigger picture possibly. Trends and such. Never once thought of hyperfixating on this point. The initial point was made, wonder who the replacement coach will be... Which I think is a great point, considering it is Virginia we are talking about, if you are familiar with current trends there. But please continue your internet research, you are like the 6PackGPT, go look up some more stats and present your results that showcase your correct perspective, it is good stuff.
 

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I wish we had bought 10 wins instead of 2. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen and a lot of our fans really believe this. Says a lot about why they’re winning 10 games and we’re winning 2. We are so freaking stupid in a lot of what we do as an athletic dept & as a fanbase.
None of us know what our AD is spending on recruits.

yes I want to pay and get good players but ole miss shat the bed considering the money they spent and the schedule they had.
 
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Its stupid to reject a boosters money if that booster wants it only to go to baseball?

We got another double digit iq here 👏👏👏
Ear marked donations have got a lot of things, not just athletic programs, in deep financial trouble.
 

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I didn't say her statement was woke. I said woke AF. I'm sorry you and others thought that was about the statement. You know what they say about assuming dont you?
The only thing on offer when you said it was the statement and her picture. We would have had to assume that you were referencing something else. Hoisted by your own petard.
 
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It's still stupid to spend that king of money on college baseball. Of course we have always been stupid when it comes to that. Baseball is a money pit.
Agreed but so is me spending $4,000 on golf clubs and $29,000 on a green house for my wife's flowers. People spend their money how they like.

If they like baseball and want a nationally competitive program, who are you to say they can't make it happen. If I were wealthy enough to make some serious donations, I doubt if I would start with sports. If I did decide to give some to a sport, I certainly would give some to the sport I liked more than the ones I didn't. These donors like what they like.
 

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None of us know what our AD is spending on recruits.

yes I want to pay and get good players but ole miss shat the bed considering the money they spent and the schedule they had.
Don’t kid yourself. I wish we’d shat the bed like that every year instead of making fools out of ourselves laughing at them for doing a hell of a lot better job of running a football program.
 
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Don’t kid yourself. I wish we’d shat the bed like that every year instead of making fools out of ourselves laughing at them for doing a hell of a lot better job of running a football program.
Meh. Overreacting like usual.

it’s cyclical. Always has been. Probably always will be.
 

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I wish we had bought 10 wins instead of 2. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen and a lot of our fans really believe this. Says a lot about why they’re winning 10 games and we’re winning 2. We are so freaking stupid in a lot of what we do as an athletic dept & as a fanbase.
I laughed because all year all I heard from them was National Championship. I had to put up with that crap for a year. At work, at church and at the gym. Everywhere. They bought the team, they had the schedule but could not get it done. That's what I find funny. Lost to KY. But I will give them credit; they took their shot. In the end they crashed. As far as bowl games go, they are mealiness now. It's either make the play off or stay home. No one cares about bowls. It' all about making the playoffs. I be glad when the schedule fall in our favor and we take our shot.
 
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