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Torch901

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Then why the cry for a few MORE gun laws?

Criminals aren’t dissuaded due to gun laws.

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He was mentally ill, and he purchased those guns legally. And yes, bans on ARs, universal background checks, and raising the minimum age to 21 to buy a weapon would have certainly prevented 19 children from being murdered. That's why we are screaming for more gun laws.
 
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He was mentally ill, and he purchased those guns legally. And yes, bans on ARs, universal background checks, and raising the minimum age to 21 to buy a weapon would have certainly prevented 19 children from being murdered. That's why we are screaming for more gun laws.
What documentation exists saying he was mentally ill?

He would have passed universal background checks.

The rest is conjecture because you assume he wouldn't have purchased those weapons illegally. Somehow, he had access to a lot of money, more than enough for illegal weapons purchase.

Had he had a stable home life....
 

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He was 18. Check his ID. None of the mass shooters purchased any guns illegally. Find a better excuse.
Look at the data. There have been different guns used in shootings. Older men use pistols. But every single shooter under 21. And that has been many had used an assault rifle legally purchased.
 
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What documentation exists saying he was mentally ill?

He would have passed universal background checks.

The rest is conjecture because you assume he wouldn't have purchased those weapons illegally. Somehow, he had access to a lot of money, more than enough for illegal weapons purchase.

Had he had a stable home life....

He made numerous social media posts threatening to rape and kidnap girls. That is a red flag.

Yes, he could have purchased guns illegally. But that doesn't mean we should just shrug and say oh well, let's just allow people like him to purchase guns easily. If creating delays for people like him might have saved the lives of 19 children, I'm all for it.
 

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The red flag thing is a joke, crazy kids in high school would be half the boys. It would never work, can you imagine the parent when a school red flags their kid. Nice idea, impossible to make effective.
 
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The ease with which you dispense this is alarming. This is not what rights are about. Can't wait until the government limits your rights because they determine you don't "need" them.
I completely understand how this sounds and what it means. I am not thrilled with infringing on enumerated rights, but at this point, I personally cannot ever get ok with a 3rd grader having the back of her head blown out by a .223 hollow point. And anyone suggesting that armed guards and airport security type check points for 3rd graders is the correct answer is nuts. 3rd graders don’t need sex ed and gender fluidity nonsense thrown in their face, but they also sure don’t need to fear for their lives, in school by walking a security gauntlet that could confuse them as much as multiple pronoun hooey.
 

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No one seems to be outraged about this either

20,726​

The number of gun deaths, excluding suicides, so far in 2021.


The total includes murders, accidents, and homicides that were ruled justifiable. It’s a slight increase over the total in 2020 and a continuation of the trend of rising gun deaths that accelerated during the pandemic. The annual total is the highest recorded by the Gun Violence Archive since the nonprofit’s founding in 2014. [Gun Violence Archive]

 
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I completely understand how this sounds and what it means. I am not thrilled with infringing on enumerated rights, but at this point, I personally cannot ever get ok with a 3rd grader having the back of her head blown out by a .223 hollow point. And anyone suggesting that armed guards and airport security type check points for 3rd graders is the correct answer is nuts. 3rd graders don’t need sex ed and gender fluidity nonsense thrown in their face, but they also sure don’t need to fear for their lives, in school by walking a security gauntlet that could confuse them as much as multiple pronoun hooey.
What part of metal detectors is so scary? If I’m not mistaken they have scanners at supermarkets, department stores, and all gov buildings. It is even likely that kids are already being screened and don’t even realize it.

A real discussion should discount the drama for real facts. Why do guards need to be armed with lethal weapons?
 
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No one seems to be outraged about this either

20,726​

The number of gun deaths, excluding suicides, so far in 2021.


The total includes murders, accidents, and homicides that were ruled justifiable. It’s a slight increase over the total in 2020 and a continuation of the trend of rising gun deaths that accelerated during the pandemic. The annual total is the highest recorded by the Gun Violence Archive since the nonprofit’s founding in 2014. [Gun Violence Archive]

Shouldn’t they remove justifiable homicides? Not sure how their even included those except to bolster their point.
 

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Dementia Joe Biden barely mentioned the victims who were killed and injured by the scumbag who mowed down people at a Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin. He definitely didn't visit to pay his respects. Of course he rushes to Uvalde for a photo-op and to rant and rave about gun control. Since he's already in Texas does anyone actually believe he'll bother to finally visit the border and watch the disaster he has created enabling illegal aliens to flood the United States?
 

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He was mentally ill, and he purchased those guns legally. And yes, bans on ARs, universal background checks, and raising the minimum age to 21 to buy a weapon would have certainly prevented 19 children from being murdered. That's why we are screaming for more gun laws.


Shotguns are used in hunting game.….as are other semi-auto rifles. You don’t think he could’ve used a shotgun to kill people? Is it really the type of gun?

The guy in France killed over 80 people with a truck. The guys in Virginia and Wisconsin, with a car. Last week a guy in California drove up on the sidewalk and ran over kids intentionally. You banning transport vehicles? Or just Chevys?

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I would add poverty, a lack of purpose, violent role modeling, and a society that is becoming permanently dependent on a corrupt government for everything.

Abortion is birth control. Military and vets are mere fodder for political elites. Prosecutors don't prosecute. Illegals have better access to $$ and support than citizens. Kids were basically locked up for 2.5 years and are killing themselves but fentanyl still floods in through the border. Patients with covid were sent to retirement homes. Welfare rewards single parenthood. Me-first parents think they can have it all.

But yeah...guns.🙄
And to your list I would add the deliberate removal of God from our schools and government institutions. And then you have "Catholics" like Biden and Pelosi who advocate birth control on demand. One more add: hypocrisy.
 

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Shouldn’t they remove justifiable homicides? Not sure how their even included those except to bolster their point.
A full description of the data is required to understand. For instance....

"Over the last decade, suicides have accounted for more than 60 percent of gun deaths."

"As in years past, people of color bore the brunt of American gun violence: 42 percent of firearm homicide victims in 2020 were Black males between the ages of 15 and 34, a group that accounts for only 2 percent of the population. Gun homicides of Black women jumped 51 percent in 2020 compared to 2019."

"Criminologists and researchers say it’s too soon to draw firm conclusions about what fueled the rise in gun homicides in 2020, which soared amid the pandemic while nonviolent crime declined. Anti-violence workers and local officials have pointed to a number of factors that may have exacerbated gun violence since the onset of COVID-19, including unemployment, evictions, school closures, domestic strife amid lockdowns, and interruptions to daily routines. Garen Wintemute, the director of the Firearm Violence Research Center at the University of California, Davis, says the socioeconomic damage wrought by the ancillary effects of the pandemic might continue to fuel firearm homicides long after it’s over.

The pandemic has, among other things, aggravated the disparities that are structural determinants of violence,” said Wintemute. “Lots of people lost their jobs; those jobs may not come back. Lots of people lost their shot at an education, some of them maybe permanently. So we’re not going to get to turn back the dial and start over. We’re moving forward into territory we’ve never seen before.”


But yeah....guns. And then let's look to the government to pass laws, the same government that created the situation being described above. And some folks want to disarm society and let that same crooked, perverted, greedy government be in charge of our lives. Hell no.
 

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I saw an interesting psychiatrist on CNN, he explained how the human was brain was still developing until age 25. Also most psychotic breaks occur between the age of 18-25, also most shooters are from age 18-25. He also mentioned how the constitution does have age restrictions on holding office so age restriction would be constitutional. Can we at a minimum at least agree that no one under 21 should be buying a gun, period.
So your opinion is 18 year olds are not responsible enough to own firearms .... however ARE responsible enough to vote. Is that correct ?
 

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Shotguns are used in hunting game.….as are other semi-auto rifles. You don’t think he could’ve used a shotgun to kill people? Is it really the type of gun?

The guy in France killed over 80 people with a truck. The guys in Virginia and Wisconsin, with a car. Last week a guy in California drove up on the sidewalk and ran over kids intentionally. You banning transport vehicles? Or just Chevys?

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This is such a lame argument. Vehicles exist for a purpose --- to transport people and cargo. You have to have a license to operate one which entails both a written and an operational test. (In my state, a new licensee has to pass a state-approved course which, outside public school, will run you $500 and have an additional 50+ hours of driving practice with an adult before even applying for a license. And then their license is probationary for two years with a state-mandated higher insurance premium.) You have to have the vehicle registered and, in most states if not all, registered annually and inspected occasionally. You also have to renew your license occasionally. You have to re-register when a vehicle changes ownership. And you have to have liability insurance. Yes, there will always be people that will take tools that exist for a helpful purpose and turn them into a tool to kill. Guns exist for one reason -- to harm, kill or tanquilize a living thing. Guns kill because that is what they are designed to do. All that being said, if we could have the same level of restrictions on operating a deadly weapon that we have with operating a vehicle, that would be an improvement.
 
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So your opinion is 18 year olds are not responsible enough to own firearms .... however ARE responsible enough to vote. Is that correct ?
Heck, they even think sixteen year olds are responsible enough to vote.

"Private Smith!"
"Yes sarge?"
"I want you to take Privates Jones and Black and take out that enemy machine gun position."
"But, Sarge... you haven't given us any guns, yet."
"I know. It's because you're just not old enough to handle a gun responsibly."
"So how are we supposed to take out that machine gun?"
"You'll just have to make do without 'em."
"Yes Sarge!"
 
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As a Trump supporter, he knows what kind of reception he can expect from someone who works at Starbucks. Russia's got nothing on the violence of those soy capuchino drinking antifa members.

Let's not forget, either, that if it were up to America's anti-rights, anti-gun crowd, that woman in Ukraine wouldn't have had access to that gun to protect her daughter, either.
 

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This is such a lame argument. Vehicles exist for a purpose --- to transport people and cargo. You have to have a license to operate one which entails both a written and an operational test. (In my state, a new licensee has to pass a state-approved course which, outside public school, will run you $500 and have an additional 50+ hours of driving practice with an adult before even applying for a license. And then their license is probationary for two years with a state-mandated higher insurance premium.) You have to have the vehicle registered and, in most states if not all, registered annually and inspected occasionally. You also have to renew your license occasionally. You have to re-register when a vehicle changes ownership. And you have to have liability insurance. Yes, there will always be people that will take tools that exist for a helpful purpose and turn them into a tool to kill. Guns exist for one reason -- to harm, kill or tanquilize a living thing. Guns kill because that is what they are designed to do. All that being said, if we could have the same level of restrictions on operating a deadly weapon that we have with operating a vehicle, that would be an improvement.
Sadly, there is nobody trustworthy or reliable enough to enforce and maintain such a system.
 

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This is such a lame argument. Vehicles exist for a purpose --- to transport people and cargo. You have to have a license to operate one which entails both a written and an operational test. (In my state, a new licensee has to pass a state-approved course which, outside public school, will run you $500 and have an additional 50+ hours of driving practice with an adult before even applying for a license. And then their license is probationary for two years with a state-mandated higher insurance premium.) You have to have the vehicle registered and, in most states if not all, registered annually and inspected occasionally. You also have to renew your license occasionally. You have to re-register when a vehicle changes ownership. And you have to have liability insurance. Yes, there will always be people that will take tools that exist for a helpful purpose and turn them into a tool to kill. Guns exist for one reason -- to harm, kill or tanquilize a living thing. Guns kill because that is what they are designed to do. All that being said, if we could have the same level of restrictions on operating a deadly weapon that we have with operating a vehicle, that would be an improvement.



Funny, even with all you wrote concerning the laws that exist to drive a car…..the Uvalde perp had neither license, vehicle ownership, or liability insurance when he drove to commit crimes.

See how perps don’t care about breaking laws? 🙄

In the end, only honest people follow gun laws…..but if it makes you feel safer, knock yourself out.

Schools need protection….. fences, scanners, and an armed guard. The world is crazy, even without guns….this ain’t Pollyanna’s World anymore. Those offended by the presence of key safety features in school and whose only interest is in “getting rid of guns” are living in a world long gone.

And crimes of assault/robbery/mayhem committed with a gun should incur at least 12+ years of automatic prison time…..

And guys like Gascon should be run out of town….oh wait, he was, from ‘Frisco 🙄


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Funny, even with all you wrote concerning the laws that exist to drive a car…..the Uvalde perp had neither license, vehicle ownership, or liability insurance when he drove to commit crimes.

See how perps don’t care about breaking laws? 🙄

In the end, only honest people follow gun laws…..but if it makes you feel safer, knock yourself out.

Schools need protection….. fences, scanners, and an armed guard. The world is crazy, even without guns….this ain’t Pollyanna’s World anymore. Those offended by the presence of key safety features in school and whose only interest is in “getting rid of guns” are living in a world long gone.

And crimes of assault/robbery/mayhem committed with a gun should incur at least 12+ years of automatic prison time…..

And guys like Gascon should be run out of town….oh wait, he was, from ‘Frisco 🙄


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And yet he obtained the guns legally and virtually every mass shooting has been perpetrated by someone using a legally obtained gun. I'm not opposed to fences, scanners and armed guards as an added measure of protection. But it is better to get to the source of the problem, which is the gun. Scanners and armed guards won't help on playgrounds or field trips. Are we going to have scanners and armed guards everywhere? Shopping malls? Grocery stores? Restaurants? Seems more practical to get rid of high capacity weapons.
 
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If there is nothing wrong with guns and good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns, why are guns banned at Trump appearances --- even at the NRA convention?

 

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And yet he obtained the guns legally and virtually every mass shooting has been perpetrated by someone using a legally obtained gun. I'm not opposed to fences, scanners and armed guards as an added measure of protection. But it is better to get to the source of the problem, which is the gun. Scanners and armed guards won't help on playgrounds or field trips. Are we going to have scanners and armed guards everywhere? Shopping malls? Grocery stores? Restaurants? Seems more practical to get rid of high capacity weapons.

Wondering, what’s “high capacity” to you? 🤔

Are homeowners stuck with 6-shooters when multiple assailants with mags-of-whatever-capacity come through your back door….hell, your front door? Or you assume even the bad guys turn in their illegal mags prior to future endeavors?

You do realize there are millions and millions of semi-auto rifles….and millions and millions of multi-round mags…..out there, right? Owned legally by honest and concerned citizens. And bad guys will turn these firearms and mags in with the stroke of Biden’s pen? How long does that all take, before we get down to zero?

Y’all are funny…..”It’s simple, get rid of guns”, “ban ARs”, “turn in your weapons”…..like it’s a simple proclamation made by Kermit the Frog on a 1-hr. Sesame Street special. Poof! We’re all safe again! Well, until you and yours get stabbed on the subway, I guess.

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