Vaccines for children

fatpiggy

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Keep looking under every stone RFK.

As someone who cares for an autistic family member, I respect the drive RFK has and I hope he is successful.

I am glad we are trying and not just accepting our fate.

I’m very happy he is trying


Our staunchest board Democrat says it is pointless look at the relationship to vaccines. I vehemently disagree.

 

yoshi121374

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Absolutely stupid and ridiculous.

Autism doesn't have a single cause. That's like saying we are going to cure influenza or the cold. There are so many variations and different conditions that are coded under the Spectrum of Autism disorders.

If you believe RFK has any idea on this you are lost. Why in the world do you think that one lawyer knows more than thousands of scientists,psychiatrists, educators, researchers who have been studying these things for years?

You aren't that stupid.
 
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TigerGrowls

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Wrong and dumb. Jesus at the stupidity and ignorance.

Come to Grips with the disturbing truth yoshi. The medical mafia is real and they were running the govt health agencies.



🚨 CDC WHISTLEBLOWER: “WE HID THE TRUTH ABOUT AUTISM.” 🚨

In secretly recorded calls, senior CDC scientist Dr. William Thompson made a STUNNING admission:

🗣️ “We lied. We omitted data. The MMR vaccine showed an association with autism — and we COVERED IT UP.”

💣 The target? African American boys under 36 months.
💣 The method? Bury the data. Rewrite the outcome. Silence dissent.

📢 WHAT THIS MEANS:

⚠️ The government KNEW.
⚠️ The science was manipulated.
⚠️ And millions of parents made irreversible decisions without the truth.

Dr. Thompson’s confession was swept under the rug.
The media blacked it out.
The CDC never answered for it.

💥 They called it “disinformation.”
💥 But it came from INSIDE the CDC.
🛑 This isn’t anti-vax.
🛑 This is anti-corruption.
🛑 This is a call for TRUTH — no matter how dark it gets.

Parents deserve answers.
Children deserve protection.
And the CDC deserves accountability.
 

fatpiggy

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Absolutely stupid and ridiculous.

Autism doesn't have a single cause. That's like saying we are going to cure influenza or the cold. There are so many variations and different conditions that are coded under the Spectrum of Autism disorders.

If you believe RFK has any idea on this you are lost. Why in the world do you think that one lawyer knows more than thousands of scientists,psychiatrists, educators, researchers who have been studying these things for years?

You aren't that stupid.
Stupid is speaking in absolutes like you do.

“Autism doesn’t have a single cause” you don’t know that because you have no idea what does cause it.

Only one of us is excluding possible outcomes.


You are mad that he is sending out 15 studies to the “experts”? Seems like you are just arguing to argue.
 
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yoshi121374

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Stupid is speaking in absolutes like you do.

“Autism doesn’t have a single cause” you don’t know that because you have no idea what does cause it.

Only one of us is excluding possible outcomes.


You are mad that he is sending out 15 studies to the “experts”? Seems like you are just arguing to a



Because autism isn't just one thing. You guys are actually idiots if you don't understand that. There isn't a single cause, because it's a Spectrum of disorders and symptoms, caused by numerous combinations of things that are all categorized as a Spectrum disorder.

I would be willing to bet you guys would say that you can have dislexia, or you have OCD.

Neither of those are diseases, they are symptoms categorized under Anxiety disorders, or under a visual processing disorder.

Autism Spectrum Disorders can encompass people who have just the slightest issues with social relationships, and wouldn't be even recognizable to lost, all the way up to nonverbal and nonfunctioning.

To look for one single cause is just childish and stupid. There is not other term than laughably dumb.
 

fatpiggy

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Because autism isn't just one thing. You guys are actually idiots if you don't understand that. There isn't a single cause, because it's a Spectrum of disorders and symptoms, caused by numerous combinations of things that are all categorized as a Spectrum disorder.

I would be willing to bet you guys would say that you can have dislexia, or you have OCD.

Neither of those are diseases, they are symptoms categorized under Anxiety disorders, or under a visual processing disorder.

Autism Spectrum Disorders can encompass people who have just the slightest issues with social relationships, and wouldn't be even recognizable to lost, all the way up to nonverbal and nonfunctioning.

To look for one single cause is just childish and stupid. There is not other term than laughably dumb.
I don’t think you read the article.

It says he is sending out 15 studies with each study farmed out to different research group amd
Each study isolating for different factors.

I do take care of an autistic family member, so I am aware of what the disease is.

There are so many theories and no facts.

Ruling anything out is stupid in my humble opinion. I praise RFK for trying or taking a different approach.
 
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johnhugh

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Absolutely stupid and ridiculous.

Autism doesn't have a single cause. That's like saying we are going to cure influenza or the cold. There are so many variations and different conditions that are coded under the Spectrum of Autism disorders.

If you believe RFK has any idea on this you are lost. Why in the world do you think that one lawyer knows more than thousands of scientists,psychiatrists, educators, researchers who have been studying these things for years?

You aren't that stupid.
He is that stupid. Don’t waste your time trying to reason with someone who hates the US
 
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yoshi121374

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I don’t think you read the article.

It says he is sending out 15 studies with each study farmed out to different research group amd
Each study isolating for different factors.

I do take care of an autistic family member, so I am aware of what the disease is.

There are so many theories and no facts.

Ruling anything out is stupid in my humble opinion. I praise RFK for trying or taking a different approach.

To think there is a single cause is stupid. It's that damn dumb. It would take having a brain worm to think something that infantile.

Literally stupid.

It's like saying we are going to study and find the single cause for someone being lower IQ.
 

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It’s a shame the evil that RFKjr is doing. A man so blinded by his own arrogance and ignorance that he doesn’t even understand Autism in the least. I’m glad that there was so much push back against his disgusting speech where he marginalized all the highly functional and successful people on the spectrum. Disgusting human being who is doing real harm to science as he feeds the misinformed and disinformed more of the unscientific pablum they are so eager to consume.
 

fatpiggy

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To think there is a single cause is stupid. It's that damn dumb. It would take having a brain worm to think something that infantile.

Literally stupid.

It's like saying we are going to study and find the single cause for someone being lower IQ.
But no one is saying that. You are an old man howling at the wind.

I did say that a single cause should not be ruled out no matter how unlikely it is. That is very different than suggesting there is a single cause.

You seem to have a defeatist attitude on this as if we should accept the current standard as OK.
 
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yoshi121374

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But no one is saying that. You are an old man howling at the wind.

I did say that a single cause should not be ruled out no matter how unlikely it is. That is very different than suggesting there is a single cause.

You seem to have a defeatist attitude on this as if we should accept the current standard as OK.


We should not accept that we know everything, we should continue to look for treatments, to develop therapies to overcome the symptoms and challenges. We should continue to eliminate stigmas so that we have a better understanding of the challeges and unique needs of people on the Spectrum.

We shouldn't say stupid **** such as, " they won't have jobs or pay taxes". We shouldn't spread idiocies such as that there is a single cause. Words have power. The sole reason the idea of a vaccine connection even came about was due to desperation to blame something from parent dealing with the challenges of having a child with an autistic Spectrum disorder. But correlation doesn't equal causation. Trump was president during Covid, we never had Covid before Trump, therefore,Trump presidency caused Covid. Prove he didn't.

RFK is an anti vaccine wacko and has been bay **** crazy for decades. His anti vaccine narratives will and have killed children. For him to be taken seriously at all is laughable and sad.
 

yoshi121374

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This response belongs on the libs are not smart thread. 😂 😂 😂

JFC you aren't smart.

You are so freaking clueless that you don't see that claiming vaccines cause autism is equally as ridiculous as what I posted?

Both are examples of the fact that correlation doesn't equal causation. Only low intelligence, mindless people make those type of arguments.
 

dpic73

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Misinformation on X
Posts on X, such as those by @ValerieAnne1970 and @catsscareme2021, amplify the claim, often citing Dr. Paul Thomas and alleging that "97% of infants died of SIDS within 7 days of a vaccine." These claims are misleading:

The 97% figure likely misinterprets a 2021 study analyzing VAERS data, which found 78.3% of reported SIDS cases occurred within 7 days post-vaccination. However, VAERS is a passive reporting system, not designed to establish causation, and the study itself notes its findings are suggestive, not conclusive.

SIDS deaths are statistically expected to occur near vaccination times due to the high frequency of vaccinations in early infancy, but multiple studies (e.g., in Italy, the UK, and France) found no increased SIDS risk post-vaccination.

The CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics emphasize that vaccinations may reduce SIDS risk by protecting against respiratory infections, a known SIDS risk factor.

Conclusion
The US does recommend a high number of infant vaccine doses, but it is not "#1 in infant mortality" globally or among developed nations, though its IMR is higher than many peer countries. The correlation between vaccine doses and IMR suggested by some studies is weak, heavily confounded, and does not establish causation. Overwhelming evidence shows vaccines significantly reduce infant mortality by preventing diseases, with no causal link to SIDS or other adverse outcomes. Claims on X exaggerating this correlation rely on misinterpretations of data and should be approached with skepticism. Factors like socioeconomic disparities, healthcare access, and recent policy changes (e.g., Dobbs) better explain the US's IMR challenges.

 

TigerGrowls

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Did you know that, ‘the Spanish Flu’ was caused by a Vaccine ?

Frederick Lamont Gates injected the USA army on behalf of ‘the Rockefeller Foundation’ at Fort Riley. They were injected with an experimental ‘bacterial meningitis’ Vaccine derived from horses. 🐴

“The so called, ‘Spanish flu’ was a Vaccine experiment that went HORRIBLY wrong!!”

The army then went to WAR and spread disease around the world!
 

yoshi121374

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Did you know that, ‘the Spanish Flu’ was caused by a Vaccine ?

Frederick Lamont Gates injected the USA army on behalf of ‘the Rockefeller Foundation’ at Fort Riley. They were injected with an experimental ‘bacterial meningitis’ Vaccine derived from horses. 🐴

“The so called, ‘Spanish flu’ was a Vaccine experiment that went HORRIBLY wrong!!”

The army then went to WAR and spread disease around the world!


MAGA. THE ANTI SCIENCE AND HEALTH PARTY.
 
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dpic73

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Did you know that, ‘the Spanish Flu’ was caused by a Vaccine ?

Frederick Lamont Gates injected the USA army on behalf of ‘the Rockefeller Foundation’ at Fort Riley. They were injected with an experimental ‘bacterial meningitis’ Vaccine derived from horses. 🐴

“The so called, ‘Spanish flu’ was a Vaccine experiment that went HORRIBLY wrong!!”

The army then went to WAR and spread disease around the world!

Once again, Grok to the rescue! 🤣

"No evidence supports the claim that the Spanish flu was caused by a vaccine experiment gone wrong. The Spanish flu, which occurred from 1918 to 1919, was a global pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. It infected about one-third of the world’s population and killed an estimated 50 million people.

The idea of a vaccine experiment causing it stems from conspiracy theories, often tied to early 20th-century vaccine research. At the time, vaccines were rudimentary, and no influenza vaccine existed until the 1930s. Some point to bacterial vaccines, like those for meningitis or pneumonia, tested during World War I, claiming they spread the flu. However, these vaccines targeted bacteria, not viruses, and the flu’s viral nature wasn’t fully understood until later.

Scientific consensus, backed by genetic studies of preserved flu samples, confirms the H1N1 virus originated naturally, likely from avian or swine sources, and spread through human contact, exacerbated by wartime conditions. Claims of a vaccine-related cause lack primary sources or credible documentation and are largely dismissed by historians and virologists. "

 

TigerGrowls

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Once again, Grok to the rescue! 🤣

"No evidence supports the claim that the Spanish flu was caused by a vaccine experiment gone wrong. The Spanish flu, which occurred from 1918 to 1919, was a global pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. It infected about one-third of the world’s population and killed an estimated 50 million people.

The idea of a vaccine experiment causing it stems from conspiracy theories, often tied to early 20th-century vaccine research. At the time, vaccines were rudimentary, and no influenza vaccine existed until the 1930s. Some point to bacterial vaccines, like those for meningitis or pneumonia, tested during World War I, claiming they spread the flu. However, these vaccines targeted bacteria, not viruses, and the flu’s viral nature wasn’t fully understood until later.

Scientific consensus, backed by genetic studies of preserved flu samples, confirms the H1N1 virus originated naturally, likely from avian or swine sources, and spread through human contact, exacerbated by wartime conditions. Claims of a vaccine-related cause lack primary sources or credible documentation and are largely dismissed by historians and virologists. "

Grok didnt rescue nothing. You replaced Fauci with Grok now to try and convince us your ideas are correct.
 

TigerGrowls

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Once again, Grok to the rescue! 🤣

"No evidence supports the claim that the Spanish flu was caused by a vaccine experiment gone wrong. The Spanish flu, which occurred from 1918 to 1919, was a global pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. It infected about one-third of the world’s population and killed an estimated 50 million people.

The idea of a vaccine experiment causing it stems from conspiracy theories, often tied to early 20th-century vaccine research. At the time, vaccines were rudimentary, and no influenza vaccine existed until the 1930s. Some point to bacterial vaccines, like those for meningitis or pneumonia, tested during World War I, claiming they spread the flu. However, these vaccines targeted bacteria, not viruses, and the flu’s viral nature wasn’t fully understood until later.

Scientific consensus, backed by genetic studies of preserved flu samples, confirms the H1N1 virus originated naturally, likely from avian or swine sources, and spread through human contact, exacerbated by wartime conditions. Claims of a vaccine-related cause lack primary sources or credible documentation and are largely dismissed by historians and virologists. "

Glad to see you are at least recognizing that X is the place to be and not the commies threads or whatever else you were on.
 
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Misinformation on X
Posts on X, such as those by @ValerieAnne1970 and @catsscareme2021, amplify the claim, often citing Dr. Paul Thomas and alleging that "97% of infants died of SIDS within 7 days of a vaccine." These claims are misleading:

The 97% figure likely misinterprets a 2021 study analyzing VAERS data, which found 78.3% of reported SIDS cases occurred within 7 days post-vaccination. However, VAERS is a passive reporting system, not designed to establish causation, and the study itself notes its findings are suggestive, not conclusive.

SIDS deaths are statistically expected to occur near vaccination times due to the high frequency of vaccinations in early infancy, but multiple studies (e.g., in Italy, the UK, and France) found no increased SIDS risk post-vaccination.

The CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics emphasize that vaccinations may reduce SIDS risk by protecting against respiratory infections, a known SIDS risk factor.

Conclusion
The US does recommend a high number of infant vaccine doses, but it is not "#1 in infant mortality" globally or among developed nations, though its IMR is higher than many peer countries. The correlation between vaccine doses and IMR suggested by some studies is weak, heavily confounded, and does not establish causation. Overwhelming evidence shows vaccines significantly reduce infant mortality by preventing diseases, with no causal link to SIDS or other adverse outcomes. Claims on X exaggerating this correlation rely on misinterpretations of data and should be approached with skepticism. Factors like socioeconomic disparities, healthcare access, and recent policy changes (e.g., Dobbs) better explain the US's IMR challenges.

Anybody using VAERS data in a study has chosen an unscientific approach to collecting data.
 

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Did you know that, ‘the Spanish Flu’ was caused by a Vaccine ?

Frederick Lamont Gates injected the USA army on behalf of ‘the Rockefeller Foundation’ at Fort Riley. They were injected with an experimental ‘bacterial meningitis’ Vaccine derived from horses. 🐴

“The so called, ‘Spanish flu’ was a Vaccine experiment that went HORRIBLY wrong!!”

The army then went to WAR and spread disease around the world!

Further evidence that there must be a gullibility gene that makes people susceptible to manipulation by even the stupidest **** if it confirms their biases.
 
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fatpiggy

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Once again, Grok to the rescue! 🤣

"No evidence supports the claim that the Spanish flu was caused by a vaccine experiment gone wrong. The Spanish flu, which occurred from 1918 to 1919, was a global pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. It infected about one-third of the world’s population and killed an estimated 50 million people.

The idea of a vaccine experiment causing it stems from conspiracy theories, often tied to early 20th-century vaccine research. At the time, vaccines were rudimentary, and no influenza vaccine existed until the 1930s. Some point to bacterial vaccines, like those for meningitis or pneumonia, tested during World War I, claiming they spread the flu. However, these vaccines targeted bacteria, not viruses, and the flu’s viral nature wasn’t fully understood until later.

Scientific consensus, backed by genetic studies of preserved flu samples, confirms the H1N1 virus originated naturally, likely from avian or swine sources, and spread through human contact, exacerbated by wartime conditions. Claims of a vaccine-related cause lack primary sources or credible documentation and are largely dismissed by historians and virologists. "

Wait, you pay the $8 a month to Elon? Or can you get Grok for free now?