Do you think that kids should be required to get vaccines before attending school or should parents decide? Seems to be a hot topic these days with alot of ignorance free flowing about. With the recent measles outbreak, there seems to be a bigger focus on parents who refuse to get their kids vaccinated due to concerns about autism.
Vaccines - Greater Good or Curtailing Freedom?
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Are there places that don't do this? You can't walk into my kids' (public) schools without vaccines.
Vaccinating your kids from diseases that would put them in a risk of death should NOT be a political issue. It should be common ****ing sense.
I don't think its as much people not wanting to vaccinate their children, although certainly there are those who would prefer not too. I think most who are voicing concerns just don't want the government telling them how and what to do with their kids.
But one is an abstract principle, and the other is a real situation with health consequences. It sure seems like a pretty dumb line to draw in the sand (not saying you're dumb or advocating it... you're always solid on here). If it's really a freedom issue, then there are a thousand other altars to die on that don't contravene clear science and endanger the public (not to mention those who cannot get vaccines for medical reasons).
That's all good, but there has to be a limit (and that goes both ways). When the life of that child is at risk, or the lives of other children, then telling the parent what to do, or not do, seems like the right thing to do. Those children have a right to be safe and healthy just as much as the parent. Unfortunately, because of their ages, they don't always have someone there doing things that keep them healthy and safe. I always find the idea of conflicting rights to be extremely interesting and difficult.
I appreciate having a choice, however it's disturbing how many idiots are choosing to not vaccinate their kids. Funny/Sad thing is, this is upper middle class and white America that is starting this stupid ****.
Because some celebrities have been in the news with this ****, so naturally, high class moms everywhere will follow right in their footsteps.
1. Shore up the damn border and help stem the tide of disease brought in.
2. Immunize your kids.
Pretty simple
2. Immunize your kids.
Pretty simple
BIG OBAMA GUBMENT HAINT GOIN TELL ME HOW TA TAKE CURR OF MAH KIDS!!!!!!!!!!! IF THEY DIE AT LEAST THEY DIE OF FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't have to listen to big government if that's what bothers you. Listen to your doctor or do some of your own research. Doctors everywhere, even Republicans, are telling you to get your kids vaccinated.
If Obama went on national tv and said get your kids vaccinated. There would be some people not do it just because he said so.
Amazing dumbness in this country.
If Obama went on national tv and said get your kids vaccinated. There would be some people not do it just because he said so.
Amazing dumbness in this country.
At the risk of having someone tell me how backwards I am, I am not anti-vaccine. I've had my children vaccinated, but I am against multiple vaccinations at the same time.
My doctor was continually pissed at me because I did not want my children to get a cocktail of vaccinations as the same time.
In some cases we didn't have a choice, in a couple I think we did - although its been many years so I'm not clear on how it played out.
If that was foolish - so be it. As a parent I was doing what I thought was best for my children.
What concerns me now is I don't understand if such a small number of children have not been vaccinated, then how can there be so many cases of measles showing up now? What are the odds of a small number of children not vaccinated being randomly grouped together in an outbreak?
My doctor was continually pissed at me because I did not want my children to get a cocktail of vaccinations as the same time.
In some cases we didn't have a choice, in a couple I think we did - although its been many years so I'm not clear on how it played out.
If that was foolish - so be it. As a parent I was doing what I thought was best for my children.
What concerns me now is I don't understand if such a small number of children have not been vaccinated, then how can there be so many cases of measles showing up now? What are the odds of a small number of children not vaccinated being randomly grouped together in an outbreak?
If an A list celebrity had a kid die from polio or some **** like that, and it was shown that had the kid been vaccinated he would not have died, then all of this anti-vaccination **** would go away.
People are so incredibly stupid. It's the aggressive and willful ignorance that upsets me the most.
People are so incredibly stupid. It's the aggressive and willful ignorance that upsets me the most.
There are a lot of people who truly believe their children were 100% normal babies, but then after vaccination became autistic zombies that they will be cursed with caring for for the rest of their lives. And those people tell their story, it gets spread around social medias, and frightens to death other future parents. Jenny McCarthy is the most famous, the pied piper of this line of thought who caused it to become so apparently widely accepted.
of course it is foolish, I get my kids their scheduled shots on their birthdays. But there is this perceived plague of autism that is occurring in present times that did not previously in our country, with no reliable reason to blame it on.
Like I said, personally I would feel dumb to not get my kids vaccinated. But at the same time I'm not so quick to damn to hell those who do not, they are doing so from their point of view for the best of their kids.
of course it is foolish, I get my kids their scheduled shots on their birthdays. But there is this perceived plague of autism that is occurring in present times that did not previously in our country, with no reliable reason to blame it on.
Like I said, personally I would feel dumb to not get my kids vaccinated. But at the same time I'm not so quick to damn to hell those who do not, they are doing so from their point of view for the best of their kids.
Because (1) lots of kids are being exposed before they're old enough to get vaccinated, and (2) even the best vaccines are only 80-90% effective. That's why we vaccinate EVERYONE despite most never getting exposed
The fact that you don't even know those simple answers is perfect evidence that you are in no position to be questioning the medicine involved.
I touching hate the Google/WebMD generation that thinks they can make sense of incredibly complex fields of study and then go against the experts
Cool article detailing the reasons this is happening in California with a map highlighting the reported cases.
Reading mixed medical information on the all at once VS spread out vaccines. Might want to read more into that one.
Reading mixed medical information on the all at once VS spread out vaccines. Might want to read more into that one.
This is the problem. They are willfully ignorant. Their point of view doesn't f*cking matter. There is plenty of information out there that states as absolute fact the Doctor (former) who claimed a link between vaccines and autism made it all up. The stupid f*cker lost his medical license because of it. If a parent chooses to believe the rantings of a f*cking imbecile like Jenny McCarthy over actual science, then those asshats may not be fit to be parents.
Act like a dumbass, get treated like one.
I cannot even fathom the hubris to make those types of choices about your kids' freaking health. If you have doubts about what their doc is telling you, go ask another pediatrician. Don't just throw **** against the wall and hope it sticks.
I cannot even fathom the hubris to make those types of choices about your kids' freaking health. If you have doubts about what their doc is telling you, go ask another pediatrician. Don't just throw **** against the wall and hope it sticks.
It sure sounds like you deviated from the CDC vaccine schedule, so much so that your pediatrician was "pissed".
So your doctor was "pissed" about you scheduling 2-3x as many appointments? Man, usually docs don't mind being able to bill for lots of clinic visits. Must be a unique guy.
This shouldn't be a democrat/republican issue, it's ridiculous that it is.
I'd bet that most parents on here had their children vaccinated, it didn't take the Govt to force you to do it. Thats the issue to many, an overbearing state. Those parents that choose not to, while I don't agree with that, it's their choice. If I have my children vaccinated do those that choose not to a threat to my childs health?
Personally I think the greater threat to children is parents who don't spend quality time with them, thats just the view I have from my small world.
I'd bet that most parents on here had their children vaccinated, it didn't take the Govt to force you to do it. Thats the issue to many, an overbearing state. Those parents that choose not to, while I don't agree with that, it's their choice. If I have my children vaccinated do those that choose not to a threat to my childs health?
Personally I think the greater threat to children is parents who don't spend quality time with them, thats just the view I have from my small world.
The vast majortiy of the American public is retarded. The vast majority of the American public has been vaccinated. Coincidence? Or do vaccines make people retarded?
Autistic people at least get superpowers.
I'll send an email to Oprah.
Autistic people at least get superpowers.
I'll send an email to Oprah.
If this only affected the children of those who chose not to vaccinate, I might have some sympathy towards those who chose not to vaccinate.
However, there are a lot of people who can't be vaccinated who now are at a greater risk of catching these diseases because of these people.
Regardless, the war on science in this country is truly mind-blowing.
However, there are a lot of people who can't be vaccinated who now are at a greater risk of catching these diseases because of these people.
Regardless, the war on science in this country is truly mind-blowing.
In some states they allow you to be exempt from most if not all when you fill out a form (can't remember what it is called) that basically states that if you have objections due to religious beliefs or whatever you can opt out. However, I know here in Oklahoma you can be charged with neglect or even worse if the child dies from diseases that could have possibly been prevented with vaccinations. So, essentially you still have the right to refuse but, you must go the extra mile with possible consequences later.
So throwing a child off a bridge, and not getting them vaccinated is the same thing? Stop going to extremes with examples, while we're at it, since we're all for the greater good, lets make it where everyone MUST get the flu vaccine every year. Because if you don't you're basically a walkng dirty bomb to the people who chose to get it, good lord people.
Take a step back, there is no story here. Some people at Disneyland got the measles, someone sticks a microphone in politicians faces, they vomited on us with some bs response, the other side fires back, boom we have a full fledged crisis on hands, we've declared war on science. GDit some people for whatever reason don't want to get their children vaccinated, don't you get it, people don't like being told what to do, give them a choice and 99% will choose to vaccinate.
Take a step back, there is no story here. Some people at Disneyland got the measles, someone sticks a microphone in politicians faces, they vomited on us with some bs response, the other side fires back, boom we have a full fledged crisis on hands, we've declared war on science. GDit some people for whatever reason don't want to get their children vaccinated, don't you get it, people don't like being told what to do, give them a choice and 99% will choose to vaccinate.
Absolutely agree and you've got idiots on both sides of the aisle saying things are just not correct. You've got the liberal elitists in California spewing nonsense and then you've got Rand Paul who I guess has lost his freakin mind.
I would prefer for all parents who refuse vaccines and their children to be shot in the head on site.
Thanks, Jenny!
This post was edited on 2/3 11:53 AM by Joey Rupption
Thanks, Jenny!
This post was edited on 2/3 11:53 AM by Joey Rupption
SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY (YOU) HATE FREEDOM??? IF VAXINATING IS SO GREAT WHY DIDNT FOUNTING FATHERS PUT IN IT CONSTATUTION HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM????? GO BACK TO ENDGLAND.
Vaccinations should be mandatory unless there is a valid medical reason. And yes, I think there should be no religious exception. Your religion is stupid and literally putting your life in danger if it denounces vaccines.