Vernon Carey announcement
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However next year would probably be on the road, I'd rather them come down to Cameron and we beat them by 50.
I’d rather beat them by 50 at their place in front of that disgusting fan base of theirs. Lol
I think K told ESPN that would never happen on his watch.
We play Kansas. We beat MSU in the Classic last year.
We owe Kansas a whooping. 0-2 against them in the Classic and obviously last year happened too.
I wish we played Michigan this year. It would have brought me great joy to watch Zion manhandle Brazdeikis.
In the Rivals article discussing Carey's commitment, I saw the first mention that Bolden might not be at Duke next year. If the season continues apace, and Bolden's performance does as well, I expect him to go pro for a variety of reasons. First, this is a down year for bigs in college. A team that needs to add depth late in the first round could do worse than Bolden. Because, (secondly), Bolden is currently contributing on a team constituted how every single NBA team would like to be constituted: PG, 3 multipositional wings/forwards, and 1 rim protecting big. If Bolden could get his RPG up to 8-10, he'd be a (late) first round LOCK.
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As for Stewart and Carey, it might be a long shot. I have a hard time believing that senior Javin doesn't play heavy minutes next year at a minimum. I'd be shocked if he doesn't start. Carey definitely starts as a true C. Stewart as the PF over Jav? I'm not so sure about that. Sans Carey, Stewart starts at C alongside Jav, no doubt.
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But, similarly to Bolden, Jav might strike while the iron is hot wrt NBA. He is the sort of multipositional big that NBA teams like having on their bench.
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Even if he's a second round pick, he might go. A senior year is unlikely to propel him into a first round given that next year's class of bigs is likely to be deeper and more talented.
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Gun to my head, Jav is back for his Sr year, and Bolden isn't.
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And Duke could be very, very attractive to bigs next year. Certainly, next year's team won't be as talented as this year's team. But next year's team could be the best perimeter shooting team, top to bottom, that Duke has ever had. We might be able to run out 4 top tier perimeter shooters at all times. They'd bomb away from the perimeter, creating space for 1-2 bigs to operate down low.
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It didn't work for last year's team because the perimeter shooters couldn't consistently make 3s. Their quality percentages were based on very inconsistent shooting from GA and GT (4-5 one game followed by some 1-5 games) and Duval (solid percentage down the stretch, but only on a paucity of attempts taken only when he was wide open). Teams didn't fear Duke shooting enough to unpack the paint. Next year, teams might have to closely guard every non big we have. Guarding Carey 1 one 1, in an open paint, will be a disaster.
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As for Stewart and Carey, it might be a long shot. I have a hard time believing that senior Javin doesn't play heavy minutes next year at a minimum. I'd be shocked if he doesn't start. Carey definitely starts as a true C. Stewart as the PF over Jav? I'm not so sure about that. Sans Carey, Stewart starts at C alongside Jav, no doubt.
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But, similarly to Bolden, Jav might strike while the iron is hot wrt NBA. He is the sort of multipositional big that NBA teams like having on their bench.
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Even if he's a second round pick, he might go. A senior year is unlikely to propel him into a first round given that next year's class of bigs is likely to be deeper and more talented.
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Gun to my head, Jav is back for his Sr year, and Bolden isn't.
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And Duke could be very, very attractive to bigs next year. Certainly, next year's team won't be as talented as this year's team. But next year's team could be the best perimeter shooting team, top to bottom, that Duke has ever had. We might be able to run out 4 top tier perimeter shooters at all times. They'd bomb away from the perimeter, creating space for 1-2 bigs to operate down low.
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It didn't work for last year's team because the perimeter shooters couldn't consistently make 3s. Their quality percentages were based on very inconsistent shooting from GA and GT (4-5 one game followed by some 1-5 games) and Duval (solid percentage down the stretch, but only on a paucity of attempts taken only when he was wide open). Teams didn't fear Duke shooting enough to unpack the paint. Next year, teams might have to closely guard every non big we have. Guarding Carey 1 one 1, in an open paint, will be a disaster.
I want to wait until 2020 to play Maryland so that it is in College Park. I want to see the look on their trash fans when they lose to their most hated enemy. I'd also love to see Zion's reaction if his mom got hit with a battery. Clear the way!
Carey is down to Duke and MSU...when was the last time K lost a recruit to Izzo? I'd say 90% Chance Carey is Dukes.
Stewart seem to really enjoy his visit...house money landing him but its still a very real possibility for sure.
Stewart seem to really enjoy his visit...house money landing him but its still a very real possibility for sure.
Hurt will be down the weekend of Duke Vs Virginia. Cameron is going to be crazy!
I love Bolden and I’ve always defended him but he’s definitely not a first round pick. He’s had a solid year for us and has improved a great deal so I think he might’ve worked his way into the second round. I just don’t see him as a solid pro though. Personally I’d rather have a Bolden/Carey front court over a Carey/Stewart front court next season.
Sometimes I think you just see guys ride their momentum. Marques could be one of those guys. If this team reaches their goals, then I think there's a very good chance Tre and Marques seriously weigh all of their options and ultimately decide the time is right to move on. Like you, I don't see Marques as a first round guy right now, but he has the size and intangibles that make him an attractive pick in the late first, but more likely, earlier second round. Winning can really improve his stock.
I hope he gets 1st round guarantees. He has improved a bunch. From my seat, I think Marques would have to develop a three-ball to become worthy of a 1st round selection. I'm no scout though.
I think K has finally gotten to 'Ques that his path to millions of dollars will be through defense, blocking shots, and rebounding. His offensive role at Duke and at the next level should be to set screens and crash the glass. The first couple seasons I think 'Ques wanted more than that, but through this season it seems he has finally accepted his role.
There is definitely an off-the-bench NBA role for a big man like 'Ques. Screens and boards, screens and boards. He should essentially become a more athletic Marshall Plumlee.
He won't ever go in the first round. He could block 25 shots a game in the NCAA tourney and he's still a second rounder. But 2nd rounders now can get guaranteed contracts so he should go if given that chance.
There is definitely an off-the-bench NBA role for a big man like 'Ques. Screens and boards, screens and boards. He should essentially become a more athletic Marshall Plumlee.
He won't ever go in the first round. He could block 25 shots a game in the NCAA tourney and he's still a second rounder. But 2nd rounders now can get guaranteed contracts so he should go if given that chance.
One of the things that players evaluate while making their early entry decision is whether or not they've maxed out their draft value. For some players, that is the second round. Barring them elevating their games, in numerous aspects, each to a high level, they won't go first round (aka shooting 50+ percent on a high volume of threes). For others, their body, size, or athleticism preclude a first round selection.
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So early second round (which is all but guaranteed these days) might be the best some guys can do, and if they've reached that point, they might as well go pro. Why not? If a return is unlikely to significantly elevate their draft status, going pro makes sense. If they have to work their way up through 2way DL contracts, they may as well get started. Because the senior year of college is tough, especially for athletes. For us non-athlete types, senior years were full of tough classes, with a few easy ones that were impossible to get into until Sr year. For athletes with pro asperations, they've gotten all the easiest classes out of the way. Senior year is typically 3 hard classes, with maybe 1 easier class thrown in. Making 6 figures in the second round is a nice alternative to that.
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Finally, a lot of folks here have wonky ideas about the end of the first round. Teams picking there know they aren't getting a difference maker. Possibly there is a very talented, but raw, underclassman that has slipped in the draft. Most likely to be available are stable upperclassmen that can add depth, immediately. That is what late first round teams are looking for in the draft, ie players that can contribute, off the bench, from day 1. They don't need guys CAPABLE of scoring 15ppg, or getting 12 boards, or 4-5 blocks. For most of those teams, their starting rotations are either set (or will be addressed via free agency). They need to add depth. Bolden can be that guy. He is playing in a prototypical NBA system right now. He defends, rebounds (this needs to be, and appears to be, improving). On offense he sets picks and gets out of the way of the scorers and then crashes behind them for putbacks. This is what the bigs on top tier teams do. Everyone raves about wanting unicorn bigs, but teams with those guys haven't done poop yet. In the NCAAT, there are going to be a few games where MB has 3-5 blocks, rebounds well enough, and has a few big putbacks, combined with finding the scorers via passes. They won't be eye popping performances, but playoff GMs will take note, and they will talk to scouts and their coaching staffs very glowingly of MB's performance. Out of random college program, MB's performance wouldn't move the meter, but K's players do well in the NBA, especially in NBA lockerrooms. MB has learned what he needs to do, and not do. Playoff teams don't need to draft guys that want the ball or a bigger role on offense. They need guys to play a limited role and be content, while being good soldiers in the lockerroom. IMO, that will be Bolden, who could look pretty good from 25 down to the end of the first round.
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So early second round (which is all but guaranteed these days) might be the best some guys can do, and if they've reached that point, they might as well go pro. Why not? If a return is unlikely to significantly elevate their draft status, going pro makes sense. If they have to work their way up through 2way DL contracts, they may as well get started. Because the senior year of college is tough, especially for athletes. For us non-athlete types, senior years were full of tough classes, with a few easy ones that were impossible to get into until Sr year. For athletes with pro asperations, they've gotten all the easiest classes out of the way. Senior year is typically 3 hard classes, with maybe 1 easier class thrown in. Making 6 figures in the second round is a nice alternative to that.
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Finally, a lot of folks here have wonky ideas about the end of the first round. Teams picking there know they aren't getting a difference maker. Possibly there is a very talented, but raw, underclassman that has slipped in the draft. Most likely to be available are stable upperclassmen that can add depth, immediately. That is what late first round teams are looking for in the draft, ie players that can contribute, off the bench, from day 1. They don't need guys CAPABLE of scoring 15ppg, or getting 12 boards, or 4-5 blocks. For most of those teams, their starting rotations are either set (or will be addressed via free agency). They need to add depth. Bolden can be that guy. He is playing in a prototypical NBA system right now. He defends, rebounds (this needs to be, and appears to be, improving). On offense he sets picks and gets out of the way of the scorers and then crashes behind them for putbacks. This is what the bigs on top tier teams do. Everyone raves about wanting unicorn bigs, but teams with those guys haven't done poop yet. In the NCAAT, there are going to be a few games where MB has 3-5 blocks, rebounds well enough, and has a few big putbacks, combined with finding the scorers via passes. They won't be eye popping performances, but playoff GMs will take note, and they will talk to scouts and their coaching staffs very glowingly of MB's performance. Out of random college program, MB's performance wouldn't move the meter, but K's players do well in the NBA, especially in NBA lockerrooms. MB has learned what he needs to do, and not do. Playoff teams don't need to draft guys that want the ball or a bigger role on offense. They need guys to play a limited role and be content, while being good soldiers in the lockerroom. IMO, that will be Bolden, who could look pretty good from 25 down to the end of the first round.
Looks like the time moved up
Edit: And this confirms it
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Enough already Sanctimony now blocked. Have a nice verbose day.
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Has anyone ever noticed that when no one has a rational way to present a counter argument to any given post, they simply claim the OP was too long. Great direction that human discourse and thinking is heading.