Indeed you have a valid point here...our 2 countries developed along different paths, have a few differences as a result, and likely too many similarities to count....
Very easy question. What would you do?
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I agree with that completely.
I've stated a couple of times that I think the solution has nothing to do with guns. Or as you stated, this gun violence is a symptom, but the disease is something altogether different.
The other things that are more deadly ... again, I'm not arguing for repeal of the 2nd amendment or even more gun control, just having a conversation ... how many of them are personal choices? (I ask because many times you have thoughts that I haven't considered) I have to drive to get to work, but I shouldn't have to drive through an obstacle course of drunk drivers to get there and so we have laws to help with that. A lot of the stuff in foods and drinks are poison, but I don't have to eat them. etc. If somebody goes on a shooting rampage at work or wherever, I don't have much of a choice on whether or not I get shot. I'm sure everybody would prefer to not get shot, but yet some still do.
Now. Car accidents just happen for any number of reasons. Mostly carelessness on the part of somebody to cause it. As you put it, that risk is one of the costs of doing business.
I've also stated a few times that maybe the answer is that our freedoms are worth some of the inherent risks and I'm perfectly OK with that.
After listening to some of the comments, one thing that would lessen the mass shootings and single shootings, just be more civil to your fellow man. I think Columbine was initiated by popular boys picking on less popular. Was it not a football player verbally or physically accosting a nerd type? Frequently an altercation starts as a little verbal assault and progresses to guns. No gun law change is going to correct this type reaction. It becomes an individual choice. Gun law changes that limit the numbers of or killing power of the weapon is going to address this problem. Temporary insanity may be offered, but in reality, someone has been pushed beyond their ability to absorb.
do you see the unprovoked attacks on me from those that disagree with me idealogically and have been going on for years? Those individuals will never change and is why I make snide comments towards them to ruffle their feathers. I could easily change my behavior because I only do it for kicks but I doubt most that are uncivilized could do it. I treat many on here I disagree with properly. No big deal but it is a two way street and some have no respect for others and will continue with their unnecessary commentary.
I think there's more to it than that. I don't see anything I disagree with in your statements, but there is more too. There's something else. When I was growing up, when people had that much of a beef with each other, they used their fists and sorted it out. There was NEVER any thought that somebody would bring a gun.
One of the things that has been mentioned a lot, especially with kids, is that with the social media and texting that the bullying can be unrelenting. When we were kids, you went home and if you didn't want to be bothered you didn't go out.
There have always been altercations and bullying and everything else. The reactions are different now. I don't know why, but whatever factors contribute to that is where actions may be able to be put into place. I've said multiple times that I think the solution, if there is one, will have nothing to do with guns.
It's only unrelenting as long as you allow it to be. For some reason kids feel like they can't unplug or block people on social media which is where the "bullying" takes place. So to them, it is unrelenting. It's pretty easy of a fix in my eyes, parents need to educate their kids that Facebook, Twitter, and whatever else these kids use today are not real life. Deemphasize the importance placed on the online persona. The other side of it is to teach kids to stand up for the little guy being bullied. We have created a culture of indifference towards basically everyone and everything. Part of that is that kids are more harshly punished for getting into a fight at school. Sometimes a good assbeating is what is called for. This walkaway mentality has also impacted the good kids from stepping in for fear of reprisal from authority figures.
From one of the biggest whiners on the board concerning civility and he can't even control his behavior or call out those that he agree with attacking others. And you guys expect things to change in how we treat one another? That is a bigger pipe dream than me wanting the 2nd amendment changed.
Solution. don't read or participate with those individuals that don't act civil including myself if you have a problem with it.
How much of it is the everybody-gets-a-trophy syndrome and when a person comes up against adversity they don't know how to handle it properly.
What kind of response do you expect with opening comments you use? What do you get out of being so antagonistic toward the rest of the board. It has not necessarily "been going on for years". I vividly recall the tandem of Bud and Bru attacking me with demeaning adjectives on the first post I made here. It was probably the first post made ever period. I don't think I would have been greeted so rudely in person, so I have got to believe you are more social than the way I was greeted. I definitely would have shot one or both of you. No apologies.
Don't deny that I need more control, but I just have to respond in kind or escalated. Not attempting to open up another can of worms. Just asking for a little more consideration and maybe the board could actually be constructive. We are diverse enough to make contributions in most discussions if we can stay on course rather than spend energy defending ourselves. Maybe I need to go back and read the manual on appropriate exchanges for the medium.
I think that certainly plays a factor into it. The helicopter parents are also contributors. I have two daughters and I raise them to be tough yet polite. My hope is that they will be ruthless killers in business one day.
I myself am an equal opportunity ball breaker, but some of you guys can't seem to turn the other cheek. You are as guilty as he is. When it happens, it the old chestnut of "neiner neiner he started it so I escalated it" or "if you don't like it, don't read it". @WhiteTailEER is probably the most cordial person on here and his civility towards everyone should be a lesson. I'm guilty of it but I made a promise to myself I would try very hard not to do it anymore with the exception of calling out RPJs hatred of Jews.
Same here except you can't say you will be more civil except for being truly hateful and nasty about the RPJ thing. Read your own stuff. One is either a good person or they are not.
I appreciate the mention ... I do try to be cordial but have certainly had my moments of failure as we all have. I honestly TRY to type my responses in the same way that I would talk to somebody if we were face to face. I have failed numerous times. There are a few on here ... maybe they would talk to people face to face the way they do things here as well ... but I doubt it.
You call me out when I fail, and honestly I appreciate it. That's not who I am. I'm the guy that randomly pays for people's coffee, tips exceedingly well, always says please and thank you and tries to be understanding of people's situation and not be too judgmental.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Even as adults, we should be able to beat somebody's *** every now and then without having to worry about going to jail. One *** beating every couple of years should be tolerated.
I know I would have used mine on my wife's ex. I got in a lot of fights as a kid and even some into college in my younger/rowdier days. Allowing the tension to build and build and build isn't good. Get it out.
I'm the excessive tipper and also the thing I have been doing lately is collecting random grocery carts around the parking lot and putting them in the corral. I mean how goddamn sorry and lazy do you have to be to just leave the **** sitting right there in the middle of the parking lot?
I don't gather carts up, but I will grab one and take into the store with me and put it with the others. I also take my carts back in instead of putting them in the corral thingy in the parking lot.
My son says please and thank you and holds the door for people and stuff like that too. He's 14 now, but has been doing it for a few years now. No way in hell was I going to raise a narcissistic **** head.
I coach a Pinto Fall Ball team - on Friday we had a game and one of the players came walking up to me with his dad and I noticed he wasn't in his uniform. His dad said ____ has something to tell you and he nudged his son - his son said "I was bad at school so I can't play in the game today". I don't know how often that happens, but I was more than good with that and I told the dad that. I would have done the same thing to my son. Too foten folks let their kids slide on things or maybe not even involved with their life. Also the mom of this kids makes him come up and thank me after every practice and game - don't see that very often either.
taking the highroad doesn't have exceptions.
One can call out improper behavior without making it a personal attack. Once you make it an attack, you are not contributing to a civilized society so don't ***** about others. That is hypocritical and there are only a few things that one can do that is worse, imo.
That's good parenting.
My son swims but doesn't play any other sports. I also have him thank his coaches. He doesn't have to be reminded anymore.
Like I said, it is pipedream to think some posters could ever be civilized. But I will make a commitment starting today to be a gentleman and only respond addressing points of a conversation when I do post. The usual suspects can take as many potshots as they want towards me.
We should give thanks for this board. Who knows what some of us would do if it did not exist.:uzi::angry:
I'm sure he meant from that moment...today.
It takes a long time to climb off his horse.
My behavior will not change. I have never called you a derogatory name, and will not. I have Bud in the past, and op a few times when I get frustrated with her, but not you. Just because I make fun of your silly ideas like banning assault rifles when assault rifles are a minuscule part of the "problem" guns, and semi-auto pistols are the main culprit, doesn't mean I'm taking pot shots at you.
Oh, and I didn't read it until this morning, and didn't check a date. My bad.
Then prove it with your actions. So far, not too good but wipe the slate clean.
Let's try this - now that I can post pics...which of the following would you allow civilians to own (if either)?
I can't remember the last time I wasn't civilized with another poster. Granted years and years ago (Hard to believe I've been using this board for over a decade) I didn't shy away from calling someone an *** (when earned), but I don't take pot shots at anyone anymore, no matter how much I may disagree with them or how personal they attempt to get with me.
Now... posters from other boards... fair game.
I don't know guns well enough to answer from a picture. But what I think we gathered from the discussion yesterday, my understanding what exactly is a "semi" was misplaced. There are two parts to my thinking, outlawing certain type of weapons and not allowing ordinary citizens to own a cartel. If one wants to own more weapons than a certain amount (and I don't know what that should be), then they would not be protected under the Constitution as I want to amend the 2nd Amendment for citizens. Instead, they would have to be regulated under federal law based on a classification of a dealer or whatever.Let's try this - now that I can post pics...which of the following would you allow civilians to own (if either)?
Again, I'm not smart enough or qualified to rewrite the Constitution and that isn't my intent in this conversation. I am just putting forth commentary of we need less guns in the general public and until the 2nd Amend is redone, that dream is not possible. Criticize as you wish.