VHSL Standings - Oct 11

[chapel_hill615]

West
1. Appomattox 26.00000
2. Richlands 24.00000
3. Union 22.83333
4. Dan River 22.57143
5. Graham 21.83333
6. Grundy 20.66667
7. Lee 20.16667
8. Martinsville 20.00000
9. Glenvar 18.83333
10. Marion 18.16667
11. Floyd Co. 17.83333
12. Giles 17.33333
13. Battle, John 15.83333
14. Central-Wise 15.28571
15. Virginia 15.16667
16. Gretna 13.85714
17. Gate City 13.85714
18. Tazewell 13.71429
19. James River(B) 13.14286
20. Lebanon 12.50000
21. Ridgeview 12.16667
East
1. Stuarts Draft 22.33333
2. Goochland 22.33333
3. Central (W) 21.00000
4. Clarke Co. 20.83333
5. Madison County 19.33333
6. Buffalo Gap 19.00000
7. East Rockingham 18.66667
8. Nandua 18.28571
9. Strasburg 17.50000
10. Bluestone 17.00000
11. Lee, R.E. (St) 15.71429
12. Prince Edward 15.57143
13. Page County 15.33333
14. Brunswick 15.16667
15. King William 14.83333
16. Amelia 14.83333
17. Washington & Lee 14.33333
18. Arcadia 13.50000
19. Mason, George 13.00000
20. Wilson Memorial 13.00000
21. Nottoway 12.50000
22. Greensville 12.16667
23. Bruton 11.50000


http://www.vhsl.org/doc/upload/fb-2016-top-20-rankings-Oct-11.pdf

 

[Xcross]

#2 vs #1 Not even a close game !

 

[Xcross]

East teams !

 

[Hampton Roads 6]

Looks as if Gretna, Gate City and Tazewell will battle to the final play of regular season for the 16th seed,.with survivor going to Appomattox.

 

[Ryan4VT]

Looks as if Gretna, Gate City and Tazewell will battle to the final play of regular season for the 16th seed,.with survivor going to Appomattox.

Richlands only has Abingdon left as a true test. If they win that game next week, they are finishing at 10-0. If Appo gets beaten by Amherst, and Richlands finishes 10-0, Richlands will likely out point Appo for the 1 seed.

Nothing is set in stone in the top 6 in the west yet.

 

[BigWinners]

Union will not finish at 3, remaining teams won't give us enough points. I see Union as 5-6. Hopefully six to avoid Appomattox as long as possible.

Union finishes with Wise, Letcher Co. KY, East side and Battle.

 

[Firstdown22]

#2 vs #1 Not even a close game !

Who's the teams in the east that will make the final 4

 

[Xcross]

Goochland and Clark have the best chance to make to the end , Throw the rest in a bucket and pick from the pile . West teams are much better ! imo

 

[Union_Fan]

If Appomattox loses to Amherst and Richlands goes 10-0, there is no question, Richlands will be #1 seed in the west.

Also, barring a huge upset, the top 5 in 2A West is set. Only the order is up in the air.

 

[Gunz41!]

#2 vs #1 Not even a close game !

You could very well be right, but what are you basing this on? I would be almost 100% sure you haven't seen Goochland, and may not have seen Stuarts Draft. You are always watching "the red team." Or is this just typical XCross trying to stir the pot? Well you certainly won't get a rise out of me and I believe I am the only SD person who posts on here. Yes I may pick SD to win in the pick em's but I will always do that, I have never said they would win a game. All I have said is IF both SD and Riverheads keep winning sets up a big game to end regular season

 

[Xcross]

Goochland and Clark are well coached . Goochland hammered RE Lee and in that game alone from what I saw they are the team to beat in the East .
RHS and Draft will most likely meet in game 10. Two different caliber teams IMO , Just don't see this game being a nail biter . Coaching is a big factor ! I did not agree with the coaches calls in the SD vs Gap game . Go for 2 on 1st score when you have a kicker capable of 40 yd. FG ? Play calling ? Anything can happen but I don't see it !

 

[booster12]

If Appomattox loses to Amherst and Richlands goes 10-0, there is no question, Richlands will be #1 seed in the west.

Also, barring a huge upset, the top 5 in 2A West is set. Only the order is up in the air.

Are you sure?

 

[Union_Fan]

Are you sure?

Yes.

A 10-0 Richlands team will out point a 9-1 Dan River or Appomattox by 10-15 points.

Even if Graham loses to Galax they would still outpoint Glenvar, Marion, Grundy, Lee, and Martinsville.

It would definitely take an unexpected upset, like Letcher Co, KY beating Union, for any of the top 5 to drop below that.

 

[booster12]

Yes.

A 10-0 Richlands team will out point a 9-1 Dan River or Appomattox by 10-15 points.

Even if Graham loses to Galax they would still outpoint Glenvar, Marion, Grundy, Lee, and Martinsville.

It would definitely take an unexpected upset, like Letcher Co, KY beating Union, for any of the top 5 to drop below that.

Remember Amherst is 4a

 

[Ryan4VT]

Remember Amherst is 4a

He's been doing the points for over a month now and has never been off from the official VHSL numbers. He knows everything. That's the way the numbers work out.

 

[Mayberryite]

Not saying this will happen, but if Martinsville runs the table starting with what would be an impressive win in Danville they would finish 8-2. If 8-2 with schedule of Magna Vista, Dan River, GW Danville, 5A Halifax, 2 more 3As, 1 more 4A still only manages no better than 6th in power points and can't push past some of these teams with half of their schedule being 1A teams then the system is broken. Or at the very least badly bent.

 

[eh31]

Why does Martinsville play so many teams in way higher classifications?

 

[Mayberryite]

Why does Martinsville play so many teams in way higher classifications?

That's their district. 8 teams in the district. Martinsville is 2A. There are 3 3As, 2 4As, 1 5A and 1 6A.

 

[eh31]

That's their district. 8 teams in the district. Martinsville is 2A. There are 3 3As, 2 4As, 1 5A and 1 6A.

That's the same reason a lot of these SWVA teams play 1A schools. Graham is forced to play 5 1A schools in the Mountain Empire.

 

[Union_Fan]

Remember Amherst is 4a

That they are. Appomattox will get 38 points for beating an 8-2 Amherst, but only 19 points for losing to a 9-1 Amherst. That's a HUGE difference.

Mathematically, Appomattox could fall as far as #5 with a season ending loss. They need those extra 19 points!

 

[Union_Fan]

Not saying this will happen, but if Martinsville runs the table starting with what would be an impressive win in Danville they would finish 8-2. If 8-2 with schedule of Magna Vista, Dan River, GW Danville, 5A Halifax, 2 more 3As, 1 more 4A still only manages no better than 6th in power points and can't push past some of these teams with half of their schedule being 1A teams then the system is broken. Or at the very least badly bent.

One would think that, but you have to remember that the point system rewards winning. And not just your team winning, but their opponents as well.

Martinsville's 4 wins comes against teams with a combined record of 7-18. And their final 3 opponents have a combined record of 4-14 thus far. Not many bonus points there at 2 points a win.
That's 22 bonus points. If those records were reversed, then they would have 64 bonus points. That's a 42 point difference!

For a 2A team, beating a 4-6 1A team(26 pts) gets you the same points at beating an 0-10 6A team(26 pts).

And beating a 1-9 1A team(20 pts) gets you more points than losing to a 5-5 6A team(19 pts).

All about the wins.

 

[Mayberryite]

I fully understand the rider points, but you can't account for a 5-5 Bland (as an example) that plays a lackluster schedule and happens to win those 5 games because of it. A team like Bassett (as an example) may very well finish down around 1-9 or 2-8, but they'd likely go at least 7-3 or better with Bland's schedule.

Further, Graham (a 2A school) will get 34 points for a 1A victory over an 8-2 Galax, yet Appo (another 2A school) would only get 38 points for a win over an 8-2 4A Amherst?? To me, that's a RED FLAG that the point differentials aren't large enough.

In other words, playing a brutal schedule does enough for your points total to get you into the playoffs even if you finish 2-8 or even 1-9 in some years. But, if you don't win against that brutal schedule, middle of the pack is about all you can expect.

 

[Union_Fan]

I fully understand the rider points, but you can't account for a 5-5 Bland (as an example) that plays a lackluster schedule and happens to win those 5 games because of it. A team like Bassett (as an example) may very well finish down around 1-9 or 2-8, but they'd likely go at least 7-3 or better with Bland's schedule.

Further, Graham (a 2A school) will get 34 points for a 1A victory over an 8-2 Galax, yet Appo (another 2A school) would only get 38 points for a win over an 8-2 4A Amherst?? To me, that's a RED FLAG that the point differentials aren't large enough.

In other words, playing a brutal schedule does enough for your points total to get you into the playoffs even if you finish 2-8 or even 1-9 in some years. But, if you don't win against that brutal schedule, middle of the pack is about all you can expect.

Can't argue with a single point you made. I look at it like this....points get you into the playoffs, but your schedule determines how far you go.

I know that Graham has some soft teams on their schedule, but so do the rest of the top 5.

Didn't 1A Essex kill 5A Deep Run last year? Larger classification doesn't always equate to better. Union played 4A David Crockett, TN this cycle. Last year they were good. This year, terrible.

I guess you make your schedule, play it, and then the gauntlet that is the playoffs separates the pretenders from the contenders.

 

[eh31]

I fully understand the rider points, but you can't account for a 5-5 Bland (as an example) that plays a lackluster schedule and happens to win those 5 games because of it. A team like Bassett (as an example) may very well finish down around 1-9 or 2-8, but they'd likely go at least 7-3 or better with Bland's schedule.

Further, Graham (a 2A school) will get 34 points for a 1A victory over an 8-2 Galax, yet Appo (another 2A school) would only get 38 points for a win over an 8-2 4A Amherst?? To me, that's a RED FLAG that the point differentials aren't large enough.

In other words, playing a brutal schedule does enough for your points total to get you into the playoffs even if you finish 2-8 or even 1-9 in some years. But, if you don't win against that brutal schedule, middle of the pack is about all you can expect.

Graham would get 34 points for a victory over Galax because they are both in the Mountian Empire district meaning Galax gets classified as a 2A school for points purposes.


On a Side note, When the 6A team in Martinsvilles district plays them do they credit for playing a 6A even tho Martinsville is 2A?

 

[Mayberryite]

Basically you have no incentive to play up unless it's for a big gate. Folks used to want to play up for competition sake. You know - the old theory that playing better competition makes you better.

As for Martinsville, the rule is that you only are required to play the schools in your district that are 2 classes up. So MHS doesn't have to play 5A Halifax or 6A Franklin County. That goes for all sports.

 

[AppoCrazy]

Wins by Rustburg, Heritage, Dan River and Amherst (regardless of who wins game 10) should put Appomattox in good shape for the play-offs but there is a lot of football left and it's one game at a time at least for the Raiders. Any team can win so Appo is not looking to any team this week but a talented and well coached Altavista team.

 

[Captain Cavman]

I have a question for some of you VHSL points guru's. How is points factored when a team only plays a 9 game schedule? Do they divide by 9 or 10? Only having to divide by 9 definately could be a bonus. Also, what about schools that play the same team twice, do they get points for both wins and then double rider points for the other teams victories? I know Dogwood schools had this scenario a few years back and see that Nandua plays Arcadia twice.

 

[obguthr]

I have a question for some of you VHSL points guru's. How is points factored when a team only plays a 9 game schedule? Do they divide by 9 or 10? Only having to divide by 9 definately could be a bonus. Also, what about schools that play the same team twice, do they get points for both wins and then double rider points for the other teams victories? I know Dogwood schools had this scenario a few years back and see that Nandua plays Arcadia twice.

Divide by games played.

 

[Union_Fan]

I have a question for some of you VHSL points guru's. How is points factored when a team only plays a 9 game schedule? Do they divide by 9 or 10? Only having to divide by 9 definately could be a bonus. Also, what about schools that play the same team twice, do they get points for both wins and then double rider points for the other teams victories? I know Dogwood schools had this scenario a few years back and see that Nandua plays Arcadia twice.

Like obguthr said, it's divided by the number of games played.

Unless something has changed from last year, if you play a team twice, it is counted as any other game as far as points are concerned.

 

[obguthr]

I don't see any shuffling in the top 5. In the next 5 Grundy is sure to slip a few spots, Lee might too. Glenvar will improve a couple of spots. Giles should win out, but with only 1 2A opponent left, I don't see how they will rise high enough to get a 1st round home game. I feel like the Spartans may have a trip to Jonesville in their future.

 

[eh31]

Isn't Giles in the Three Rivers District? If they are then they'll get 2A points for playing Radford, Auburn, & East Montgomery. The bad part though is those 3 teams only have 8 wins between them so far.

 

[obguthr]

Isn't Giles in the Three Rivers District? If they are then they'll get 2A points for playing Radford, Auburn, & East Montgomery. The bad part though is those 3 teams only have 8 wins between them so far.

I thought they did away with the district opponent bonus? It never was a good idea.

 

[eh31]

I thought they did away with the district opponent bonus? It never was a good idea.

I'm new to learning about the point system but how it's been explained to me this week is you get bonus points for playing a lower classification if in district. I just wasn't sure if those teams were still in Giles district.

 

[Union_Fan]

I thought they did away with the district opponent bonus? It never was a good idea.

It is still in place. Not only that, but this year the VHSL has expanded it to out of district too. You get 2 points for each classification that your opponent is less than you. So, a 3A team would get 4 extra points for playing a 1A team.

 

[chapel_hill615]

Union_Fan you beat me to it by a nose lol.

 

[eh31]

It is still in place. Not only that, but this year the VHSL has expanded it to out of district too. You get 2 points for each classification that your opponent is less than you. So, a 3A team would get 4 extra points for playing a 1A team.

In this case Abingdon might get a #1 seed

 

[Union_Fan]

In this case Abingdon might get a #1 seed

They certainly have that potential if it weren't for the fact that only 3 teams on their schedule has a shot at a winning record.

Thus far they have 4 opponents with records of 0-6, 1-5, 2-4, and 2-5. Ain't nobody gonna get no points like that. Lol.

 

[BigWinners]

@Ryan4VT or @Union_Fan , do you guys have the updated 2A West points?

 

[Union_Fan]

@Ryan4VT or @Union_Fan , do you guys have the updated 2A West points?

Looks something like this. I'm also counting the Grundy\River VIew, WV game, which, for some reason, the VHSL hasn't yet, so my points will differ from the "official" ones, but the order will be the same.


1.) Appomattox County 7-0 188 26.85714
2.) Richlands 8-0 206 25.75
3.) Graham 6-1 168 24
4.) Dan River 7-1 189 23.625
5.) Union 6-1 164 23.42857
6.) Grundy 6-2 167 20.875
7.) Glenvar 5-2 144 20.57143
8.) Marion Senior 5-2 142 20.28571
9.) Martinsville 4-3 141 20.14286
10.) Lee 5-2 133 19
11.) Giles 4-3 132 18.85714
12.) Floyd County 5-2 129 18.42857
13.) John S. Batle 4-3 120 17.14286
14.) Gate City 3-5 129 16.125
15.) Virginia High 2-5 109 15.57143
16.) Central-Wise 3-5 124 15.5
17.) Lebanon 2-5 106 15.14286
18.) Gretna 2-5 102 14.57143
19.) Tazewell 2-5 101 14.42857
20.) Grayson County 2-5 100 14.28571
21.) James River-Buchanan 2-6 109 13.625
22.) Chatham 2-5 90 12.85714
23.) Ridgeview 1-6 85 12.14286
24.)Buckingham County 1-7 96 12

 

[BigWinners]

Thanks man! Any hope Union can move up some if we win out?