The team hasn’t been very good the last couple years. But without Vince it would have been garbage. That’s because any player we have that’s worth a **** was brought here by Vince. This ain’t rocket science. Marrow wasn’t here to coach the tight ends.
Vince Morrow to U of L
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Glad I didn't buy season tickets when they were offered.
My thought then was I won't go after they lose a few...Def not going to have to worry about that now
My thought then was I won't go after they lose a few...Def not going to have to worry about that now
This is kind of funny. Was Barnhart supposed to see into the future, understand how Louisville would create a position solely to avoid contractual penalties - and then draft contract language around that?
This thread is a good summation of UK fans. “Marrow is totally washed, hasn’t done anything for years, I’m glad he’s gone. And Barnhart needs to be fired for letting him go.”
This isn’t true. Kentucky has had plenty of talent and good players overall… the problem is that the Oline and QB have been so bad in comparison it hasn’t mattered. Even with these down years we’ve had multiple players drafted. Vince played a large role in keeping the rest of that roster together.
Oh wow. You “trapped” me by pointing out what I unequivocally believe and won’t back down from. Football in this state is a vanity project — it is irrelevant to anyone outside this state for a reason.
I just asked ChatGPT “Is Kentucky a football school or a basketball school?” Whaddya know? Even AI knows the obvious. Kentucky football is a joy, but that’s all it is for most of us. It’s bonus. When it starts assuming funds that could go to basketball, there will be plenty of us that won’t see the sense in it. It’s just the cold hard truth of the matter and if you don’t like it I’m not sorry
Who the hell is smiling? This is awful news. The only thing worse is now Stoops really has to win games to restore the fan base.
Nobody wants to watch our Cats suck in ANY sport.
Assuming it’s true that we passed on a chance to match the offer, I can’t really fault Barnhart this time. He had already leveraged a few of his past job offers into being one of the highest paid non-coordinator assistants in the country despite having no reputation at all for on-field coaching. With the way we’ve been trending the last couple of years, it honestly seems like a good time to let him walk instead of giving another raise.
Leaving this time of the year is a crap move for sure. But Vince was never as good as he thought he was. Decent recruiter but not a very good coach. This position allows him to recruit on campus and they might pull one of their coaches off the road and replace him with vince.
Oh **** you’re being serious lol. Ok. Benny snell, Lynn Bowden, wandale Robinson, etc. pretty much anyone who we’ve had in the past decade that was any good. Actually pretty much everybody period. He was the recruiting coordinator
I hope they make king tweeter, at UL people actually might understand his broken English , I’m glad he’s gone . Good start to cutting the fat so to speak , axe Stoops after this miserable coming season and then get the football program back on track . Sad it took 2-3 extra years of suck
So Hairston, Walker, Wilcox, DJ, Barion, etc. were Marrow recruits? Look at the list that see how many he was the recruiter. Losing clink and Sumrall killed our recruiting. Wolford did get Walker but so far hasn’t done much more
He hasn’t been producing at a high level since3 or 4 years sgovv
Recruiting had already hit rock bottom with Marrow. He missed on most of his Ohio and Kentucky recruits this cycle.
Marrow did recruit Chip and thought he would be all SEC. Also, how many times did we hear about all of the NFL team at TE?
You are right Marrow didn't recruit any of the guys on your list.
Dude pleading for the fans to stay loyal to the program while making back room deals to leave for your arch enemy is shady as hell. Barney should have cleaned house.
It isn’t spinning. I have said it for a few years. What you’re saying isn’t true. The majority of the better players on the team are not his recruits. The narrative that every good player on the team is marrow recruit is false. I’m waiting to see something different. Wallace was a sumrall recruit. I seen where mentioned guys from 5-6 years ago. Wandale went to Neb and we got lucky he transferred back.
The guys you mentioned were great but if it wasn’t for the guys like McCall, Rogers, Square, Wallace, etc that led those Ds they don’t win 10 games. Clink brought in most of the top Michigan recruits, Sumrall Ga/Bama. I will add the LBs and DBs that Vince has brought in the last few years haven’t been developed the way they were before. Like it or not there has been a drop off in recruiting and development since sumrall and clink left. You can see it on the field. That coupled with the discipline that has been shown has been a disaster
Vince didn't usually haul in the top end guys but he was responsible for everything else. He made massive contributions, thats a fact.
Its also a fact that someone like him now has minimal impact because of nil etc. Where he will really help them is keeping home their in city kids and occasionally finding a diamond in the rough in OH. The acc is so pathetic, that goes a long way there.
Optics is by far the worst part.
It wasnt about keeping him. It was about getting financial compensation when he left.
Its also a fact that someone like him now has minimal impact because of nil etc. Where he will really help them is keeping home their in city kids and occasionally finding a diamond in the rough in OH. The acc is so pathetic, that goes a long way there.
Optics is by far the worst part.
It wasnt about keeping him. It was about getting financial compensation when he left.
From a friend, UL even made us look silly on Marrow's contract. UL lawyers just picked the contract apart and we added up with 0 compensation.
And how did that work out???
UK needs someone else negotiating their coaches' contracts if that is really all that was keeping VM at UK.
I will ask again. WHY would you want to keep a coach who doesn't want to be here? Especially if he is the most important coach in charge of your recruiting????
So you can say we kept VM but we are solidly in the bottom of the SEC in talent now????
We need a complete overhaul of the FB program and a new AD to make those needed changes, IMO.
Post of the day why complain when the head man was making backroom deals to go to Texas a&m I am so glad my attention will be with centre football team this season. . My grandson got a football scholarship with them so proud
Might be more to the story than we know. BBN needs to keep in mind; he is not the only person who can recruit.
Personally, if my money was good but I wanted to leave, no way in hell would I go to our in-state rival. No way, but I'm not Marrow.
Personally, if my money was good but I wanted to leave, no way in hell would I go to our in-state rival. No way, but I'm not Marrow.
$30 million reasons.
Mitch gave Stoops a contract that is so one sided toward the coach, that the UK football program is held hostage to Coach Stoops. That buyout was BEYOND RIDICULOUS!!! So we are stuck with him for at least 2 more seasons.
I’m not gonna overly defend Marrow but there’s another person waaaay more responsible for the culture and development of the program
Yes, I'm sure that one season nearly 25 years ago when Vince was on the practice squad was a huge bond-builder between these two men.
He has had some good ones but I don't think as much last few years. https://247sports.com/coach/vince-marrow-1504/alltimerecruits/
1. I like Vince more than most on this thread now.....but the face of recruiting has drastically changed since NIL and portal are part of the game nowadays. So if this boils down to way more about NIL and giving guys starting spots in portal....i guess the role of HS recruiting is diminished adn relationship building (which I think Vince is good at)....means less now than it once did.
2. So then player identification is a bigger need from portal scouting...to which I'm not sure Vince is strong at....his main contacts was getting back on kids that didn't choose UK out of HS and keeping in touch that way.
3. I do feel the poo/poo on talent level is not all that fair to Vince......guys like Silver, Walker, Ox, Rybka, DJack, Hairston, Key, Barion, Dingle, ....every UK fan was imagining Vandagriff would be like Levis 2.0, etc.... Those guys were wanted by many other schools and it was some *** coaching on offense that submarined that season from the start along with kids didn't play well (i.e. QB play was bad, Oline as really bad)..
Let's be fair here....Levis was pretty good in year 1...and year 2 hits along with Scangerello....and he's not close to as good. But Levis didn't get worse as a QB....it was clearly coaching. And I think the player development, coaching, etc... Losing Sumrall, Clink, Coen, Schlarman are guys that we've replaced with Mike Stoops, Yenser, Wolford, Buffano (I do like Collins though).
But my final point on Vince.....
1. It's been clear to anyone that wants to see it...Stoops has run his course at UK. Last year was the final nail in that coffin. So, I don't blame Vince to see it and want to keep his career going.
2. UK should just save that salary we were paying Vince and low ball the next coach and save that salary differential to pay for Stoops crazy buyout after this disastrous year.
2. So then player identification is a bigger need from portal scouting...to which I'm not sure Vince is strong at....his main contacts was getting back on kids that didn't choose UK out of HS and keeping in touch that way.
3. I do feel the poo/poo on talent level is not all that fair to Vince......guys like Silver, Walker, Ox, Rybka, DJack, Hairston, Key, Barion, Dingle, ....every UK fan was imagining Vandagriff would be like Levis 2.0, etc.... Those guys were wanted by many other schools and it was some *** coaching on offense that submarined that season from the start along with kids didn't play well (i.e. QB play was bad, Oline as really bad)..
Let's be fair here....Levis was pretty good in year 1...and year 2 hits along with Scangerello....and he's not close to as good. But Levis didn't get worse as a QB....it was clearly coaching. And I think the player development, coaching, etc... Losing Sumrall, Clink, Coen, Schlarman are guys that we've replaced with Mike Stoops, Yenser, Wolford, Buffano (I do like Collins though).
But my final point on Vince.....
1. It's been clear to anyone that wants to see it...Stoops has run his course at UK. Last year was the final nail in that coffin. So, I don't blame Vince to see it and want to keep his career going.
2. UK should just save that salary we were paying Vince and low ball the next coach and save that salary differential to pay for Stoops crazy buyout after this disastrous year.
Ben I have been preaching this for two years "STOOPS HAS GOT TO GO" damn shame the fan base has to sit through this trainwreck again .