you guys are us....at what length do you guys go to keeping him?.....guy is obviously one heck of a coach.....anything short of a show cause?
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This post was edited on 1/21 9:45 AM by StubbornPenny
This post was edited on 1/21 9:45 AM by StubbornPenny
I agree with this. Your Program can't afford to get in trouble again so soon. Would just be a matter of time before he pulled the same stuff he did at Morehead State and Southern Miss.
The question here assumes a lot, even partial mind reading. So, I'm assuming that the original post up there is speaking about the newly hired UT coach Donnie Tyndall, who is currently under NCAA investigation.
In that article I just linked, we see that Southern Miss has self-imposed a post season ban this year due to the severity of the penalties they EXPECT to receive from the NCAA after reviewing the information for themselves.
The question is: how much did Tyndall have to do with the infractions? Was he directly involved? If so, it may not matter if what you guys WANT to do with him. The NCAA may kick him out of the sport for a year or two. You may have no choice.
The real question becomes this: what, if anything, should Tennessee do preemptively with Tyndall?
If I were the Tennessee AD, I'd be heading down to Southern Miss for some private meetings ASAP. I'd be getting a look, if there is any way, at the information Southern Miss has regarding the investigation. From there, I'd take appropriate action. I might also take a close look into Tyndall's recruiting and actions since he's taken the reigns at Tennessee.
Tennessee's big issue here is that they're already on thin ice, so to speak, with the NCAA due to the Pearl situation and investigation. The NCAA isn't going to hesitate to give UT's basketball major sanctions if they have any reason. So, if Tyndall has, in fact, broken rules (and it appears that MUST be the case after reading that article), UT needs to cut him loose. If he's not involved or won't be sanctioned, you could keep him. He's done a heck of a job with this group, without question.
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In that article I just linked, we see that Southern Miss has self-imposed a post season ban this year due to the severity of the penalties they EXPECT to receive from the NCAA after reviewing the information for themselves.
The question is: how much did Tyndall have to do with the infractions? Was he directly involved? If so, it may not matter if what you guys WANT to do with him. The NCAA may kick him out of the sport for a year or two. You may have no choice.
The real question becomes this: what, if anything, should Tennessee do preemptively with Tyndall?
If I were the Tennessee AD, I'd be heading down to Southern Miss for some private meetings ASAP. I'd be getting a look, if there is any way, at the information Southern Miss has regarding the investigation. From there, I'd take appropriate action. I might also take a close look into Tyndall's recruiting and actions since he's taken the reigns at Tennessee.
Tennessee's big issue here is that they're already on thin ice, so to speak, with the NCAA due to the Pearl situation and investigation. The NCAA isn't going to hesitate to give UT's basketball major sanctions if they have any reason. So, if Tyndall has, in fact, broken rules (and it appears that MUST be the case after reading that article), UT needs to cut him loose. If he's not involved or won't be sanctioned, you could keep him. He's done a heck of a job with this group, without question.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but thank goodness this is a hypothetical. If we actually were UT fans, I'd have cut my wrists from having to wear that awful shade of orange, much less your tendency to employ cheaters.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, I must be the AD at UT.
Let me first say that I have a personal connection here with CDT, so not completely unbiased in my opinion. Having said that, Donnie is one heck of a coach.
Anyone who has paid attention to the job he has done with an absolutely depleted UT roster should be very impressed. UT was picked pretty much dead last in the conference preseason. Now they are alone at 2nd place behind the Cats. Honestly, they have MAYBE 2 SEC quality players on the roster--Richardson & Moore. Their schedule is definitely back loaded, so there is a lot more basketball to be played. However, IMO even if they fizzle out down the stretch he has proven his worth and should be kept in place by UT if at all possible.
My opinion would be that anything short of a show cause should be grounds for keeping him. The postseason ban implemented by SM is a joke TBH. They are not making any postseason appearance this year regardless of the window dressing they are trying to display. However, the fact that they are imposing this ban also tells me that there was at least some wrongdoing on their part in this situation.
Again, I have a little bit of knowledge of the situation, so I am confident when all is said and done that people will see this was nothing more than a vindictive former assistant attempting to bring Donnie down b/c he was upset that he was fired. Not trying to say that there was nothing improper happening. Just that IMO it does not come close to reaching the level of a show cause, even with CDT probation at MSU.
Just my $.02. Take it for what it is worth.
Anyone who has paid attention to the job he has done with an absolutely depleted UT roster should be very impressed. UT was picked pretty much dead last in the conference preseason. Now they are alone at 2nd place behind the Cats. Honestly, they have MAYBE 2 SEC quality players on the roster--Richardson & Moore. Their schedule is definitely back loaded, so there is a lot more basketball to be played. However, IMO even if they fizzle out down the stretch he has proven his worth and should be kept in place by UT if at all possible.
My opinion would be that anything short of a show cause should be grounds for keeping him. The postseason ban implemented by SM is a joke TBH. They are not making any postseason appearance this year regardless of the window dressing they are trying to display. However, the fact that they are imposing this ban also tells me that there was at least some wrongdoing on their part in this situation.
Again, I have a little bit of knowledge of the situation, so I am confident when all is said and done that people will see this was nothing more than a vindictive former assistant attempting to bring Donnie down b/c he was upset that he was fired. Not trying to say that there was nothing improper happening. Just that IMO it does not come close to reaching the level of a show cause, even with CDT probation at MSU.
Just my $.02. Take it for what it is worth.
I think that Tennessee has found a good coach. He has done some amazing work this season with a roster that I thought would be historically bad. However, I don't see much value in keeping him. I think he is replaceable. His 2015 class is ranked dead last in the SEC so he's going to really have to step it up next year to not be a bottom team. So, what future do you really have to look forward to with him? I would imagine there are some other coaches out there more than ready and capable to take an SEC job and win with it. UT supports its basketball team more than just about any other school in the SEC and they can be a sleeping giant with the right coach. UT just has to find him. Not sure that Tyndall is it. I wouldn't fire him just yet, but any punishment against him would make me push him out the door because of his track record of infractions.
As I said when they hired him, DT is a really good coach. He's better than a large portion of SEC coaches right now IMO when it comes to X's and O's. If he can recruit well, UT has a gem. As far as his transgressions go, I can't speak on that cause I don't know. I was privvy to watch a ton of his practices at MSU and the dude knows basketball, and he can coach. Hope it works out for him cause he is a good guy.
He is a very very good coach so you keep him . Dude is going to take a team which lost like 8 players last year to the tourney this year which is freaking insane . I am beside myself with how good UT is this year . I thought they would win 10 games for the season and right now they are in 2nd place in the league . nuff said . And just b/c he got in trouble at one place doesn't mean he will there .
Yes, she was a heck of a ball player. She played for Bernadette at UK for 3 years, then finished up at Transy.
Sounds like Tyndall went to the Bobby Petrino school of dating.
This post was edited on 1/21 12:04 PM by CatsFaninCincy
Agree 100%. I think some people do not realize just how bad they were supposed to be this year. Not only did they lose Stokes & Maymon, they lost all of Cuonzo's recruits at the last minute when he left.
Additionally, they lot their only remaining point guard (a walk on BTW) to an ACL injury right before the season began. They have been forced to make due with a terribly sparse talent level. But, if you watch them play it is incredible how hard they play. They go out there and leave it on the floor every game. It isn't pretty most of the time, but it is impressive how the kids have bought in given the exceptionally low expectations this year. CDT has to get some of the credit for just getting those guys to believe they have a chance against really any Div 1 team, much less SEC caliber.
As far as the recruiting being dead last. All I can say about that is it is nearly impossible to recruit talented players to a school or coach facing an NCAA investigation. There is a reasonable argument to be made that UT's recruiting has been excellent given the situation. They also had a 4-star verbally commit then change his mind after the NCAA stuff came up. His name escapes me, but he ended up at VT. Clark maybe?
Like I said, JMO but I certainly hope that UT holds onto CDT b/c I think the SEC will be better with him there. As a UK fan, I always want the SEC to be as competitive as possible.
If he gets UT to the NCAA tourney this year, it will be nothing short of a miracle with what he has to work with. That in itself speaks volumes to me.
I'm not entirely sold on Tyndall. I think what UT has done so far is a little overvalued right now. Yes, they have a depleted roster and they were picked to finish 13th in the league. But 3 of their 4 conference wins have come against Mizzou, Miss St, and South Carolina who are a combined 3-10 in league play. Nothing to really get excited about.
That's what I'm thinking. It's almost like there's UK, and then there are 13 most of which are decent teams, but none of whom seem ready to play themselves into the top 25. Of course Arkansas or LSU might still do that. Perhaps Alabama, but there doesn't appear to be another outstanding team in the SEC this year. I still think it's a tough league. We could lose any number of games, and at least unlike the ACC there aren't 3-4 teams at the bottom which are basically guaranteed wins for all the others. I think any of the SEC teams are capable of winning. Heck a 1-4 Vandy gave us quite a game in Rupp last night. We heard what Cal said after the game. I to am glad it wasn't in Nashville.
I disagree but can see where you are coming from but i just looked at there schedule and i think they win 4 of their next 5 and by then they will be on the correct side of the bubble around a 10 seed and from that point on they just gotta win the games they should and i think going into the SECT they will be around 22-9 or so and if they win a game there they are in due to their OOC schedule that included KU , Marq , VCU , NC ST , Butler , and KSU . I think they will be the 5th and last SEC team in . It will be a dog fight between them , Texas A& M and Bama .
If I were you, OP, and UT:
What I would do is very quickly create an African-American studies program, enroll every player on the roster in a bunch of online, no-exam, no physical-meeting-place classes, fire a bunch of women gofers, declare the problem solved and go about your merry way
Seems to work for other schools.....
What I would do is very quickly create an African-American studies program, enroll every player on the roster in a bunch of online, no-exam, no physical-meeting-place classes, fire a bunch of women gofers, declare the problem solved and go about your merry way
Seems to work for other schools.....
So two days ago you said something completely different? Man, you change your stance on the mythical 5th SEC team a lot. What happened to Ole Miss dude? You quit on them after one loss? They were 100% in this group as of this past weekend when you were blabbing about this.
Well put..............Originally posted by thecatsareback#8:
I would probably just keep him there because he has a hot wife. IT MEANS HE HAS CONFIDENCE!!!
"I would probably just keep him there because he has a hot wife. IT MEANS HE HAS CONFIDENCE!!"
Correction: IT MEANS THAT HE HAS MONEY!!!
Correction: IT MEANS THAT HE HAS MONEY!!!
Having watched them play, I don't think they are a very good basketball team and it will play out over the course of the season. They'd have to win 10 of their remaining 13 games (6 are on the road) to finish 22-8.....I just don't see it.
I'd go after Cuonzo Martin, or start a petition to hire him. Something like that.
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UT could always self-impose a post season ban. They could also withdraw from the Kentucky Derby, the Iditarod, and American Idol.