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Markuson/Nutt recruited a bunch of road grader types, the 6-7, 340 body type.
We're going to be running a basketball on grass spread offense. Typically that requires lean, quick linemen. The OL is going to have to be rebuilt. The signing of Burton yesterday is a step in the right direction. He's probably going to start next year given the fact that he's actually made for our new style of offense.
We're going to be running a basketball on grass spread offense. Typically that requires lean, quick linemen. The OL is going to have to be rebuilt. The signing of Burton yesterday is a step in the right direction. He's probably going to start next year given the fact that he's actually made for our new style of offense.
Maybe the NFL scouts will see something in him and he'll get a 3rd or 4th round evaluation, but I bet his evaluation comes back as a late round evaluation and he has to stay.
Freeze will get more than a 1 year mulligan. Next year I expect a lot of house cleaning. He's referenced it, and I've heard it from others prior to Freeze's hiring that we have about 15 or so guys that need to either get their mind right or be removed in terms of their attitude and their dedication to the team.
That's what I'm going to be looking for in 2012, an attitude change more than anything and a team that plays above its head. We may operate with a small roster due to the changes we'll make, but I want to see all the players that are there on the same page, and I think we'll get that from Freeze. I want to see how his offense does too, because he'll get to prove next year if he can make something out of nothing. I don't expect much, but if he can make something offensively next year, then it's going to be really good once he gets a solid group in place.
The plus side is that this past year's freshman class, from all I've heard, really does have a good bond, and they've mostly got their heads on straight. All is not lost in that regard, because there is a young base of guys who want to win and are devoted to working to get it done. If he can piece together a solid transition class and follow it up with a solid 2013 class after having a year on campus, then we could start to pull out of this as early as 2013.
Freeze will get more than a 1 year mulligan. Next year I expect a lot of house cleaning. He's referenced it, and I've heard it from others prior to Freeze's hiring that we have about 15 or so guys that need to either get their mind right or be removed in terms of their attitude and their dedication to the team.
That's what I'm going to be looking for in 2012, an attitude change more than anything and a team that plays above its head. We may operate with a small roster due to the changes we'll make, but I want to see all the players that are there on the same page, and I think we'll get that from Freeze. I want to see how his offense does too, because he'll get to prove next year if he can make something out of nothing. I don't expect much, but if he can make something offensively next year, then it's going to be really good once he gets a solid group in place.
The plus side is that this past year's freshman class, from all I've heard, really does have a good bond, and they've mostly got their heads on straight. All is not lost in that regard, because there is a young base of guys who want to win and are devoted to working to get it done. If he can piece together a solid transition class and follow it up with a solid 2013 class after having a year on campus, then we could start to pull out of this as early as 2013.
But it should have been very obvious to anyone even halfway watching in 2003 that we had a lot of very serious problems on that team. Also, at the time I had a good source for inside information from the coaching staff. Our program was at least as out of control back then as Mississippi's has been the last 2 years, if not moreso. Ask yourself this question. How many of the guys Crxxm ran off ever amounted to anything? The only one is the fat OL who transferred to USM. All the rest disappeared. If they were halfway worth a ****, why didn't they do anything after they left?</p>
but there are coaches that are good enough to come and get everything under control without running everyone off. The program was out of control b/c of the leadership/environment.
Rarely do players who are run off amount to anything measurable b/c they usually go to some small school and no one ever hears from them again...and they likely have far less passion than they would playing in the SEC. It doesn't mean they couldn't have been good football players with the right guidance.
Rarely do players who are run off amount to anything measurable b/c they usually go to some small school and no one ever hears from them again...and they likely have far less passion than they would playing in the SEC. It doesn't mean they couldn't have been good football players with the right guidance.
And the players who were cancers. They weren't cancers just because of the leadership and environment. They were the cause of the bad environment, helped by the lack of leadership.
So why didn't we see any of these players go off to some small school and do anything there? Usually if they're half-way worth a ****, you'll at least hear that they're contributing for their I-AA team. These players didn't even do that.
We're gonna "clean it up" combined with "it's gonna take a while" wreaks of Croom. Croom sold that same plan to LT and he bought it. If their athletic department follows LT's lead, it's gonna get rough.
I was thinking the same thing, it's one thing for that idiot Freeze to say it, but for Bruiser to repeat it like it actually has some meaning is just funny. And road grader types might be even funnier. Also, on Massie going pro like someone asked earlier in the thread, I think I might go pro too, why don't we all go pro? To play in the NFL you have to have something to offer. This thread has some funny **** in it. It is comical to see rebels like Bruiser being forced to buy into the Freeze hire, they have no choice of course but to try to buy into it because he's going to be there for a few years, but deep down not a single sane rebel is happy with that hire. Nutt and Orgeron were better.boorod said:
But it would have been even worse if we'd kept those guys on the team. Crxxm never went 2-10 like UM just did and he did take us to one bowl game, so it definitely could have been worse. As for never hearing of players other than a QB, that's ********. We usually hear a little bit about where our former players go here and there. We NEVER heard anything at all about any of the ones Crxxm ran off except for Wilson at USM and Turner who got run off at Murray St.
It always amazes me when people ask how things could have been worse under Croom, as if 2003 never happened. Croom was a bad college football coach, but nothing he ever did here was as awful as 2003. This years Bear squad would have beaten that team by three touchdowns.patdog said:
with this. These players are run off and never heard from again because they don't have what it takes mentally./ Physically, they are right on par with NFL players, more or less. What seperates good from great, isn't anything physically measure or something they can blame on others (didn't have good leaders/coaching/etc).[b said:
with a winning record as the 04-06 teams did combined. The same Memphis team that beat Eli his 7-1 SEC season. The 2003 team beat a 2-9 vandy team while the 2004 team lost to a 2-9 Vandy team.
At best, we are splitting hairs. But at least we were disciplined.
At best, we are splitting hairs. But at least we were disciplined.
Basketball on grass. That's funny. I guess a cute analogy is supposed to make the freeze o look enticing?
You play basketball on grass in the SEC while the rest of us laugh at you.
You play basketball on grass in the SEC while the rest of us laugh at you.
But nothing was like the 01, 02, 03 years. I reconize Sherrill got us to Atlanta, but I have never seen a more embarrassing display than those three years. Crooms faults have been we documented on this board, and I agree 99.9% of the time. Aside from the 08 season, Croom's teams played hard and with heart and passion. The three aformenation seasons were the worst football i have eveer seen, and that inlcudes this years bear team.
and personalities have an impact? That's kind of been my whole point.
But to that end, we had the worst defensive coordinator in the history of college football in 2003. That's a fact. I looked it up.
Meanwhile, Croom had some guy named Ellis Johnson.
But to that end, we had the worst defensive coordinator in the history of college football in 2003. That's a fact. I looked it up.
Meanwhile, Croom had some guy named Ellis Johnson.
The 2003 team lost games by an average of over 26 points. That includes losses to Tulane, Houston, and Kentucky. That is hard to do, even at State. You don't have to split hairs to call that the worst season we've had in recent memory. That is why it still amazes me when people ask how it could ever have been worse. It was worse one year before he got the job.8Dog said:
you'd have known that that is a point that I agreed with from the beginning. I'll say it again. CRXXM WAS A TERRIBLE COACH. He was in way over his head and was too stubborn to realize it. That doesn't change the fact that the guys he ran off needed to be run off. They were killing the program. No coach could have won with those cancers on the team. What we needed was good coaching, good recruiting, and to run the cancers off the team. Crxxm gave us 1/3 of that.
BTW, our defensive coordinator in 2003 just won a national award for best defensive coach at his position this year. Just saying.
BTW, our defensive coordinator in 2003 just won a national award for best defensive coach at his position this year. Just saying.
Does this mean they run around a lot? Score a lot of points? Pass the ball a lot? Fail to grab enough offensive rebounds?
and see how many people get on board with that.
Last thing I'll say: Once the eligibility of the guys we ran off was exhausted (pretty much by the end of 06), what happened? We had bad apples like Michael Brown, Quentin Wesley, and Anthony Johnson taking the worst coach in the SEC to a bowl.
Last thing I'll say: Once the eligibility of the guys we ran off was exhausted (pretty much by the end of 06), what happened? We had bad apples like Michael Brown, Quentin Wesley, and Anthony Johnson taking the worst coach in the SEC to a bowl.
And I seem to remember a lot of talk pre-season about how Mullen went to meet with Chip Kelly and tried to install a hurry up. There was a lot of excitement about it back then, but when we hire someone that actually does that for his base offense, it's a funny idea.
And for the obtuse, the basketball on grass analogy is used to give you the image of play that doesn't slow down.
I know people that don't know Freeze probably haven't seen his offenses, but he's very similar in style to what Chad Morris does at Clemson and Malzahn did at Auburn.
And for the obtuse, the basketball on grass analogy is used to give you the image of play that doesn't slow down.
I know people that don't know Freeze probably haven't seen his offenses, but he's very similar in style to what Chad Morris does at Clemson and Malzahn did at Auburn.
It's not a Freeze thing. It's the new wave in college offense, the hurry up. Your own coach tried to go learn more about it to implement some of it with his system.