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More like a temporary stay of execution for now. BOTH sides caved because they see what is coming.
Everyone thought that orange man was going to crash the economy.
I've made back everything I lost when the tariffs first began......and then some.
Luckily, Bessent, the Treasury Sec. is a very smart brain to pick on these matters.
I've made back everything I lost when the tariffs first began......and then some.
Luckily, Bessent, the Treasury Sec. is a very smart brain to pick on these matters.
The Trump recession was a brutal 3 days.
Markets hate uncertainty. I see nothing in the next 4 years that will make that any better. I hope I'm wrong.
You actually haven't. Unless you got lucky with this or that. But no, the market has not fully recovered, and definitely hasn't recovered from when he first took office.
We are all forced to ride a roller coaster of chaos right now. Just because we may end right where we began doesnt mean the path made sense.
To be clear though, we arent right back where we were. Goods from China are still set to cost a bunch more than they did before Trump decided to send us on this ride, and goods we export to China still cost more than they did a few months ago.
And even after all this, it still looks like Trump and many others dont know the simple and clear differences between a trade deficit and a subsidy, or between a trade deficit and debt.
Oh, and you just equated the market to being 'the economy'. They continue to be different, despite being linked. The market can do well and you can make back what you lost, despite the economy not recovering in the same way.
I'm not a MAGA Trumper, but the fact that no media outlet, save for FOX or NewsMax will give him any credit at all for some things reeks of TDS.
He just got the last Hamas hostage free. Mainstream media====crickets.
He just got the last Hamas hostage free. Mainstream media====crickets.
All this chaos?
On April 1, 2025 the DJIA ended the day at 41,989.96.
On April 30, 2025 the DJIA ended the day at 40,669.36.
As I type it is now 42,162.11
Where is all of this chaos? That isn't chaos, it's normal market fluctuation.
Personally, I'm doing much, much better than I was in 2022 when inflation went up to 9.1% and the Fed had to start raising rates by 0.75%.
But that's just me.
he has actually, if he is on average with most people in the market.
On April 1, 2025 the DJIA ended the day at 41,989.96.
On April 30, 2025 the DJIA ended the day at 40,669.36.
As I type it is now 42,162.11
Don't let facts get in the way.
The Biden Bros made a big deal about the 40,000 DJIA milestone.
We're still above that.
That's not the last Hamas hostage. It was the last one that held dual American citizenship.
I hope Trump knocks it out of the park and our economy is stronger than it has ever been when his term ends.
That being said, I think it is a wee bit early to take a victory lap.
I wanted Biden to be successful as well.
I want every president to be successful.
This fandom of one side confuses the hell out of me.
That being said, I think it is a wee bit early to take a victory lap.
I wanted Biden to be successful as well.
I want every president to be successful.
This fandom of one side confuses the hell out of me.
Once again, just because you may end where you started doesnt mean the ride wasnt pure chaos.
And yet again- you are referencing both the economy and 'the market' in your posts. Those are associated yet distinctly different things.
I hope Trump follows through on everything he promised- lower grocery prices, more domestic high paying jobs, higher wages, lower inflation, affordable childcare, wars ending, lower priced goods, etc etc.
He should be added to Mt Rushmore if that all happens.
Forcing his people to pay more for Chinese products, while US products will cost more n China, doesnt seem to fit into any category of what he promised.
My favorite part of this is that the base has no idea what's happening or what to root for - they are just cheering whatever happens bc he tells them.
Market tanks and companies tell us it will be painful at the register in short time? Well, we're just taking our medicine - the market was overvalued anyhow. This is what's necessary to bring back jobs. I'll deal with the extra costs and a crap portfolio bc I'm a patriot - never mind that I've been bitching about cost of living up until Inauguration Day.
Trump pulls in tariffs for a reset in approach and market bonces back? Hell yeah brother muh portfolio!
All this is made for TV theatrics. Don is doing what he knows best - he's putting on a show. Nothing will change materially one way or the other. If anything, free markets expand in their reach bc that's what wealthy people that make these decisions want. MAGA will end up free trade warriors and democrats will probably run on Smoot-Hawkey 2.0 bc politics now is nothing more then do the opposite of what the other side is doing.
You are arguing April 2025 was not volatile? Wow.
Ok. Turns out the "economy" sucked under Joe Biden so much that all those jobs they were bragging they created didn't exist.
It Turns Out That Even More of Joe Biden’s Jobs Creation Numbers Were Fake
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The DJIA on February 1, 2022 was 35,131.86
The DJIA on March 1, 2022 was 33,893.6
The DJIA on June 1, 2022 was 32,990.12
The DJIA on August 1, 2022 was 32,798.4
The DJIA on September 1, 2022 was 31,656.42
TALK ABOUT CHOAS!!!!! That's a 10% decline in 7 months!
No, I'm arguing that it wasn't as bad as you and the media want it to be. But when it was Biden in office - crickets. But it was much, much worse then and over a longer period of time.
The DJIA on February 1, 2022 was 35,131.86
The DJIA on March 1, 2022 was 33,893.6
The DJIA on June 1, 2022 was 32,990.12
The DJIA on August 1, 2022 was 32,798.4
The DJIA on September 1, 2022 was 31,656.42
That's a 10% decline in 7 months. If that happened under Trump, you'd be rioting in the streets. Instead, we got a 3.2% decline in one month that has since more than recovered and the Democrats seem to think it's the end of the world.
Yep, there was a period of time during Biden's time in office where 'the markets' were brutal.Ok. Turns out the "economy" sucked under Joe Biden so much that all those jobs they were bragging they created didn't exist.
It Turns Out That Even More of Joe Biden’s Jobs Creation Numbers Were Fake
The Biden administration’s phony jobs boom just went up in smoke. For months, it paraded numbers aro
The DJIA on February 1, 2022 was 35,131.86
The DJIA on March 1, 2022 was 33,893.6
The DJIA on June 1, 2022 was 32,990.12
The DJIA on August 1, 2022 was 32,798.4
The DJIA on September 1, 2022 was 31,656.42
TALK ABOUT CHOAS!!!!! That's a 10% decline in 7 months!
If the chaos of the last month was due to things that were out of Trump's control, I wouldnt be so annoyed. When covid hit and markets crashed, I didnt blame Trump for the markets crashing because they would have crashed regardless of who was in office(person or party).
Conversely, the last couple months of chaos in global trade and the last month+ of market chaos is 100% due to the seemingly random and impulsive policies that were coming out of the Oval Office on a daily basis.
I want to retire early and have some SS walking around money. Send that market to the moon.
I haven't changed my DCA approach in 3 presidencies. I'm mentally capable of ignoring all the political nonsense when it comes to markets and the economy. Don introduced a lot of boat rocking and unnecessary volatility (probably not done with it) for some goal that nobody has actually articulated yet or set for accountability. It's all a show and ego stroking to see what he can and can't do on a global stage. Whatever shakes out he will claim that was the plan all along and that he won more than anyone has ever won before. That's the show he sells and there's a lot of people that eat it up.
Ultimately, free markets and basic macro economic principles will win over the long term no matter what Trump or right/left leaning media are telling us.
Are you implying "the market" in 2022 was beyond the Democrats control?
Asking for a friend.
Market has been straight down since he took over. So, I guess you got me by picking Liberation Day and measuring it vs. today, but the point is that this guy has single handedly tanked the market for no real apparent reason. At least in 2022 it was based on the actual market, and what was occurring naturally.
I will say Jerome Powell was stupid as well for doing his part to tank the market back then.
to you...volatile. to market savvy people....one of the greatest money making opportunities we've seen in a long time. i almost doubled my portfolio
Jerome Powell waited too long to raise rates, which is one reason inflation got as high as it did. We all know why he didn't raise rates then and why he did cut rates in 2024, despite the inflation rate being higher than the target of 2%. Now, inflation has come down some and he won't cut them.
We all know why.
But Democrats started it by fresh spending to the tune of 6-7 trillion dollars. It wasn't until Democrats lost control of the House in January 2023 that spending slowed and inflation started to come down.
Actually I picked April because I have heard the media say that this was "the worst April since the Great Depression." which is completely false.
Ok, because reading your post it seemed like maybe you were. I wanted to clarify before I commented.
That's great. Your approach is likely different than mine and probably have a way different tolerance for risk. What did you win on and how much did you risk?
Nothing about the marketing activity that was brought on by the tariffs is normal market fluctuation, no more than the market falls brought on by September 11 or Covid were normal.
Yup, it's absolutely amazing how many resources the Fed has yet they get so many things wrong. But Jerome doesn't unilaterally raise and lower rates, it's voted on by a panel.
I think the reactions have been completely unhinged though. Just looking through the comments here I see the words chaos, volatile, market tanks, etc. I mean, over April the market dropped 3.2% and has since more than recovered. That's not the end of the world.
That's true, but the panel has obviously been very political, even though they claim not to be.
I don't see a reason rates should come down. Even historically, a 7% rate isn't high. We aren't hitting recession panic unless Trump there's on wild tariffs for the long haul, and rates will certainly drop if that happens. The Fed was poised to drop them before he backed off of the tariffs.
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