Watching Holtz v Graham...

[MSUCostanza]

It appears Holtz's team is far better prepared for this game. First time I've seen Tulsa play, but they look ******.

And let's also remember Arkansas (!) beat Tulsa, and Houston beat them by 40. East Carolina beat Va Tech and West Virginia.

 

[MSUCostanza]

It appears Holtz's team is far better prepared for this game. First time I've seen Tulsa play, but they look ******.

And let's also remember Arkansas (!) beat Tulsa, and Houston beat them by 40. East Carolina beat Va Tech and West Virginia.

 

[War Machine Dawg]

Seriously, that pick 6 was a horrible throw. Had his WR open in the zone and threw it right to the DB, who had nothing but green in front of him. And now he botches a simple handoff. That's got to be depressing for a defense. If this QB plays even average today, Tulsa is winning right now. Russell would be badass in this offense.

 

[Dawg in a pile]

It appears Holtz's team is far better prepared for this game. First time I've seen Tulsa play, but they look ******.

And let's also remember Arkansas (!) beat Tulsa, and Houston beat them by 40. East Carolina beat Va Tech and West Virginia.

What happened after they beat Va Tech and WV? I'm pretty sure Southern Miss beat their *** a few weeks ago. Please keep both of these coaches away from MSU.

 

[patdog]

His offense is based on running a lot of plays quickly and forcing defenses into mistakes. That works great against most of the ****** defenses he faces. But having a stategy of relying on a good defense to make mistakes is a losing strategy. In the SEC it would be a disaster.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...indict the whole team or the coach because the quarterback is sucking balls today. All ECU points have come off turnovers.

Either one of these coaches would be good choices for Byrne. I'd prefer Graham to Holtz, myself.

 

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[War Machine Dawg]

As I said earlier, if Tulsa's QB is even average today, Tulsa is up by at least 2 TDs right now. Otherwise, I think Tulsa has looked pretty good. And as I type this, there's Johnson's 3rd pick. Yank his ***.

 

[MSUCostanza]

I don't like either of them. Just pointing out that folks in love with Graham are watching their guy get outcoached today.

 

[patdog]

You can't give Graham the credit when he does well against the bad teams without also giving him blame when he sucks against good teams.</p>

 

[MSUCostanza]

can i indict him based on the fact that they lost to effing Arkansas? Even the Walrus beat them this year. Or got skull-17'd by 40 to Houston? I think I will go that route. ECU's defense looks to be causing a lot of these mistakes. Tulsa's offense looks like ours today.

Both of these coaches should be way down the list. My post was not an endorsement of Holtz by any stretch of the imagination. I just don't see the fascination with Graham as a 2nd option to Petersen.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...since he was only the top rated QB in the country coming into the game.

The quarterback is having a bad game. So we base how good a coach is on one bad game a QB has? Seriously, that is ridiculous. Some credit here goes to the ECU defense, which was the best defense in their conference this year, and the rest of it gets chalked up to the QB making some inexplicably bad decisions.

 

[Dawg in a pile]

I just don't see the fascination with Graham as a 2nd option to Petersen.

I don't understand this either. I also don't get the fascination with Graham taking to Tulsa to the CUSA championship game. Didn't Bower win a bunch of CUSA championships? Unless they are undefeated when they get there, I don't really give a damn who wins the CUSA championship.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...Urban Meyer lost to Ole Miss and Pete Carroll lost to Oregon State. I guess nobody would want those coaches either.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...Urban Meyer lost to Ole Miss and Pete Carroll lost to Oregon State. I guess nobody would want those coaches either.

 

[muddawgs33]

What happened after they beat Va Tech and WV? I'm pretty sure Southern Miss beat their *** a few weeks ago. Please keep both of these coaches away from MSU.

To be fair, I saw where they said Holtz has had 44 different players start this year because of injuries. And Croom was bitching about 5 players...

 

[patdog]

The point is, his offense looks very ordinary every damn time it faces even an average defense. And calling Arkansas's defense average is a huge stretch. It was actually the worst in the SEC by a wide margin.

 

[8dog]

cross Tuberville off the list.

 

[MSUCostanza]

we rushed for more yards against Arkansas than Tulsa did.

 

[vandaldawg]

Mercifully souring. Total hunch on my part, but I think Graham = Next MSU Disaster.

 

[War Machine Dawg]

irrationallyhypocriticalku

 

[Frances Drebin]

...but USC and Florida are >>> Tulsa, too. The talent level isn't the same. My point is that losing to Arkansas or Houston doesn't mean that Graham is automatically a ****** coach, just like losing to OSU doesn't make Carroll a ****** coach, or losing to Vandy doesn't make Houston Nutt a ****** coach. Graham won ten games for christ sake.

 

[MSUCostanza]

We could play that game all day. Point I'm making is that Graham's team looks like dog **** from where I'm sitting. They are being outplayed and outcoached. And again, I don't want Holtz either. Just not seeing the fascination with Graham, and definitely not seeing it today.

 

[Earl of Barke]

They are probably fine coaches and may turn out to be world shakers.

I feel we need a coach that has proven he can win 10 games multiple seasons with a white hot offensive scheme.
Anything else would be gamble and MSU is about to be broken on football. Everything hinges on this hire. Don't 17 it up, Greg.

 

[patdog]

Last year, he also to 4-8 UTEP and got skull-drug twice by a Central Florida team (23-44 and 25-44) that Crxxm beat. As I stated before, his offensive philosophy is based on running plays quicker than anybody else and taking advantage of defensive breakdowns. That works like a charm against bad defenses. SEC defenses will eat that **** up though, at least as much as ECU's defense is today.
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Edited to add, let that sink in. HE GAVE UP 70 POINTS to Houston. I can't even begin to imagine the meltdown on this board if he gave up 70 points at MSU.

 

[RaiderDawg24]

ECU was supposed to be a running football team this season. Their projected starter was injured before the season and lost for the year. Their leading rusher early in the season decided to break a beer bottle and use it to attack a guy and his girlfriend in a parking lot a few weeks ago and got kicked off the team.

Holtz did take UConn from 4-7 his first year to 3 winning seasons and a conference championship by season 5. ECU had 4 straight losing seasons when he got to Greenville and now he has lead them to 3 straight bowl games and has them playing for a conference championship in season 4.

 

[Frances Drebin]

...about "SEC defenses eating that **** up" is that the talent level on offense will be different, too. Right now, Tulsa has C-USA talent and is playing against other C-USA teams. Sure, he lost to Arkansas, but Arkansas had better talent. You guys are making apples and oranges comparisons. Sure, SEC defenses will "eat that **** up" if it's Tulsa running the offense. Our defense ate up UCF's stellar running attack in the Liberty Bowl last year, and Arkansas stopped Tulsa's this year. </p>

Sometimes teams lose big, like Texas Tech to Oklahoma, for example. It doesn't mean the coach is ******. Sometimes breaks go against you in big games.</p>

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

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[studentdawg87]

Petersen at Boise

 

[Incognegro]

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[patdog]

And even Texas Tech didn't give up 70 to them. And I've got news for you. Whoever our new coach is will very rarely go up against Bama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Georgia, or Tennessee with equal talent. At Tulsa, he's got better talent than most of the conference. Partly because Tula was a successful program before he ever took it over (their only CUSA title came just over 1 year before Graham was hired).