Way-too-early Coaching Hot Board
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That's infinitely more SEC wins that Lebby has or is likely to ever have, so sure.
Only M State would stick with a meathead of a coach like Lebby. Literally, only us.
Yes! With the exception of Georgia State's transition into FBS, it's literally not happened at all in the last 20 years!
Why do some of our fans want us to accept with literally no one else would??
What’s wild is that 90% of this would go away if he finished 5-7….even though it shouldn’t, and he absolutely could be fire-able at that record as well, depending on the context.
Literally 90% of our fanbase would happily give him year 3 just with ONE SEC WIN in 16 tries….which is an absolutely pitiful and embarrassing benchmark. And he still might not get it. Completely comical that anyone would even attempt to argue for Year 3 if we finish 4-8.
16. Jimbo Fisher - His last 2 years at A&M were indefensible, but if he's recharged and ready to coach at the level from earlier in his career, he would be a steal for us. Problem is we won't know until he actually starts coaching games.
Then again, what's the worst that can happen, he goes 0-fer in the SEC like Lebby?
Then again, what's the worst that can happen, he goes 0-fer in the SEC like Lebby?
Complete and desperate delusion. Almost everyone on the list 1-16 would take the job if they don't take a more prestigious one instead.
"You can't fire Croom! No one will take our job!"
"You can't fire Moorhead! No one will take our job!"
"You can't fire Arnett! No one will take our job!" (maybe this one was kinda true?)
"You can't fire Lemonis! No one will take our job!"
Brent Vigen's current salary is less than $400,000 a year. You're telling me he would say, "No, I don't want my salary dectupled! I'll just keep freezing my aѕs off in obscurity instead of going to the SEC!" Come on, man!
Charles Huff, Matt Entz, Tyson Helton all make around $1,000,000 per year. Tim Polasek makes $330,000. Jimmy Rogers $1.5 million. Mike Gundy now at $0.
Charles Huff, Matt Entz, Tyson Helton all make around $1,000,000 per year. Tim Polasek makes $330,000. Jimmy Rogers $1.5 million. Mike Gundy now at $0.
BS, I’ve heard this kind of crap every time idiots like you want to fire a coach. It’s EXACTLY what has kept us down for so long. It‘s what we have always done thanks to Rebs, or idiots like you. Same old State… your ilk loves it.., I wonder why?
The only coaches I ever wanted to fire were Croom, Moorhead, Arnett, and Lemonis, and I got my way every time, and I turned out to be correct every time. - Maybe you could argue that I was wrong about Arnett because it led to someone even worse in Lebby, but I don't think you are arguing that.
Edit - also wanted to fire Rick Ray. Was on the fence about Howland.
So if you get your way…the last four football coaches 1) fired after two years. 2) died 3) fired after one year. 4) fired after two years. Now I would take the job given that history, and what we can pay. And I would be perfectly happy to be fired after a year. And THAT my friend is EXACTLY the kind of coach we will get if you get your way.
That's the kind of coach we currently have. All 15 names on this list have been successful head coaches, unlike like 0-12 Lebby.
Continuity for continuity’s sake is a joke. It’s great if you’ve got Nick Saban. But what did it do for Florida with Sunbelt Billy? It set them back another year. You think UNC is going to keep Belichek for “continuity?”
We never even gave anyone else the chance. Selmon had his man before he even fired Arnett.
For arguments sake let’s say he is fired. More than likely another coordinator hire so now you’re back in the same situation and go 0-9 maybe 1-8. ….and then people will be wanting to fire the new coach. I don’t see the team being any better if you fire him and move on.
Make no mistake, the last two weeks are inexcusable but with the sheer number of job openings this offseason I don’t think in my opinion there’s a good chance of hiring anyone earth shattering that’s going to change the trajectory.
Are we better keeping a known bad coach or taking our chances we might actually make a decent hire, knowing we literally couldn’t do much worse? It’s kind of a rhetorical question cause we all know Selmons not firing his friend. And next years recruiting looks abysmal so far. We’ll be right back here a year from now discussing the same things.
edit: I do agree this would be a bad year to have to hire a coach. But waiting another year isn’t a great option either.
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Why are you even saying this on a thread where I listed 16 established head coaches that would at least consider our job and aren't likely to be snatched up by elite programs?
Lemonis had a lot of support in the MSU messageboardverse. Lots of people believed that if we fired him, we'd have to hire a G5 head coach or maybe Will Coggin.
No one that knows baseball thought that. It was really obvious where the program was going when it was completely his. The coggin stuff was more people wanting him not thinking we were settling
Also to that point, I know not all are, but most of these transfer guys are going into their last year, maybe next to last. What good does it do to retain the same head coach for a year for them? Since most are gone after that year anyway. I guess it could be argued that with a new coach everyone is learning the new system instead of the 15-20% of the team transferring in. But your kinda hoping those guys are coming in to start so a learning curve for your playmakers anyway???
Are we forgetting who hired Lebby? Do you think that your nice typed out list is who they go after. You’re wishing for something that won’t happen.
I think it is a near certainty that if we make a coaching change in 5 weeks, we'll go with someone with head coaching experience, not another coordinator, whether it's someone on my "nice typed out list" or not.
What did they spend ? 15 million to upgrade this roster on both sides of the ball ? I think Jason Candle could give you 6-6 most years with that, at least 5-7
Just like I was when I said we would fire Lemonis midseason, and then when I said O'Connor was going to be the guy? A lot of people across the boards said I was crazy for both of those statements.
Jason "Never had a losing record and only had a losing conference record once" Candle would have had 2 more wins last year and 2 more wins so far this year.
He’s a solid MAC coach, the kind that turn into good P4 coaches, and there have been many. He would be an upgrade, football people know that.
First off, it doesn’t have to be a coordinator. Plenty of lower level head coaches out there who would love a shot and a raise, as mentioned already. But even a coordinator who has the self-awareness to delegate playcalling so they can focus on managing the game is an upgrade.
We already know we have a really bad coach. The worst in my lifetime, in any sport, honestly. He may still get a 3rd year if he salvages 1-2 wins down the stretch, although I don’t have very high hopes for that year 3 if it does happen. He will 100% not get Year 3 if he finishes 4-8. When you know what you have is completely inadequate, you have to make the move, then try to make the next right decision. We did that with Arnett, and Moorhead.
That’s the thing, it doesn’t have to be somebody earth shattering. It just needs to be someone that knows how to run the clock out in the 4th with a 17 point lead, knows not to pull a bunch of QB musical chairs parlor tricks on what should be the game winning drive, and knows how to at least get a 17ing game winning FG attempt away when we are in range. Jr high coaches know these things, and Lebby does not.
The worst part is that, at his level, if he doesn’t know these very critical and basic things by now, he’s never going to know them. You can’t fix stupid, or recruit around stupidity.
Bottom line is we need to be making contact behind the scenes with agents RIGHT NOW. If you wait until Ole Miss obliterates us (in what will be a home game for them) and start talking then we will be too far behind the 8 ball with so many openings. Does Keenum and Selmon have the ability to navigate this? I honestly have no idea.
Who's still available from this list?
Chesney - took the job at UCLA
Candle - took the job at UConn
Entz - still available
Sumrall - took the job at Florida
Vigen - still available and playing for an FCS title Monday
Newberry - still available
Calhoun - still available (two straight losing seasons though)
Golesh - took the job at Auburn
Keeler - still available
Huff - took the job at Memphis
Rogers - took the job at Iowa State
Gundy - still available (and a big question mark)
Polasek - still available
Helton - still available
Silverfield - took the job at Arkansas
Overall, it was a good list, we are too late for some of the names, but still some good ones out there. Also we could consider a retread like Jimbo or Petrino, or the greatest coach in our post-integration history, Dan Mullen.
Chesney - took the job at UCLA
Candle - took the job at UConn
Entz - still available
Sumrall - took the job at Florida
Vigen - still available and playing for an FCS title Monday
Newberry - still available
Calhoun - still available (two straight losing seasons though)
Golesh - took the job at Auburn
Keeler - still available
Huff - took the job at Memphis
Rogers - took the job at Iowa State
Gundy - still available (and a big question mark)
Polasek - still available
Helton - still available
Silverfield - took the job at Arkansas
Overall, it was a good list, we are too late for some of the names, but still some good ones out there. Also we could consider a retread like Jimbo or Petrino, or the greatest coach in our post-integration history, Dan Mullen.
If we were smart, Jason Candle would be the coach right now. Chesney would be pick #1 but not sure he would accept the job. I think Candle would have chosen State over UConn.
Toledo always looked well coached
Brent Vigen is the #1 guy we should talk to. We could hire him on Tuesday after he (probably) wins the FCS national championship Monday if we wanted to.