He’s on a different level of intellect. I don’t always agree with you Perd but I at least feel like we’re on the same wavelength. If he can’t understand that schedules are created differently, then let him be.
We almost left this Miami team out…..
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I understand that nobody plays the same schedule, but when it comes down to the last two teams, and one of them beat the other one head to head, only someone who literally holds goats (you did say that the other night about yourself) would take the team that lost. Perd I get, he is obviously a ND fan.
The italicized part is the point you keep missing. It’s not just two teams. This has been noted repeatedly but you keep just glossing over it.
Oklahoma. Alabama. BYU. Texas. Utah. Miami. Notre Dame.
That’s 7 teams that were essentially vying for 3 spots. On selection day, there wasn’t a hill of beans worth of difference in the resumes of those 7 teams, and everybody knows it. Pick whoever you think is best and whoever you think is worst from the list. Let them play 10 times, and I guaran-damn-tee you that Team A is 4-6, 5-5, or 6-4 against Team B.
If each of those 7 teams all played each other, it’d be 21 total games between them. And yeah, it’d be pretty damn easy to just use the records in those games to sort it out. If, say, each team only played half of the other 6, there’d only be 10 total games. That’d be much more difficult. Still maybe doable, but probably not.
Well, what actually happened? There were only 4 games - total - of head to head matchups from that grouping. BYU-Utah, ND-Miami, Alabama-OU, OU-TX. Therefore, you can’t use head-to-head at all as a viable sorting method. You have to go deeper into SOS, SOR, computer metrics, look at signature wins and bad losses, home/away splits, record in close games, average margin of victory, etc.
Can’t just arbitrarily say 10-2 Oklahoma or 10-3 Alabama is better than 10-2 Miami and 10-2 ND when there was no head-to-head comparison for either, and schedules and results were so drastically different.
I will say if they give auto bids, the conference championship game should be required to be from the top 2 teams in the league and the conferences should be required to do away with divisions so we don’t get another Duke conference champion. Miami winning the ACC would have prevented a lot of b*tching
The ACC doesn't have divisions anymore. Duke wound up in the ACC Championship because 5 teams ended up 6-2 in the conference and Duke came out on top due to tiebreakers.
But it DID come down to Miami and ND for the LAST bid. You are trying to over complicate a very simple situation.
Everything you are posting is a HUGE argument for coming up with a system that takes the beauty contest you obviously love completely out of the equation. There is a solution, multiple ones in fact. None will ever be used as long as the G5/6 have a voice, and people want a do over when they lose a game they shouldn’t.
Says who?
The committee can change the rankings arbitrarily every single week, evidently. So, how do you know if it was just between Miami / ND, or if it was between Miami, ND, Texas, BYU, Utah, and Vandy for the last bid? Or all those teams, plus Alabama for 2 bids? You don’t.
And forget ND / Miami. If you’re so head-to-head obsessed, why does OU deserve a bid over a Texas team that kicked the absolute shít out of them? Why do any of them deserve a bid over BYU, who none beat head to head?
The two issues I have is the weekly rankings during the season & “we can’t punish a team for losing in a championship game.” Weekly rankings are meaningless & undermine the committees credibility. At the end of the day I think they did a reasonably good job. Miami in over Notre Dame is easy now. But why did you have Notre Dame higher & then flip them when neither played? Notre Dame should have been in over Bama or Oklahoma, but committee turned a blind eye to Bamas very bad loss to Georgia and way overrated the SEC. BYU clearly didn’t belong.
All reasons why you simply get rid of the committee and any human influence (polls, etc.) and go with a straight formula that is transparent.
Everyone knows why Miami and ND were flipped at the end, and also why BYU was left out as well, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the head-to-head to result of the ND-Miami game.
BYU was left out because they got boat raced twice by the only good team they played, which turned out to be overrated as well.
They beat Utah, who was in the Top 12-13 pretty much all year. They had a much stronger schedule than both ND and Miami, and more wins than both. And no bad losses.
Sure…..That’s exactly why Miami was ahead of ND in every single CFP ranking. Since, you know, that game happened in Week 1, and therefore it factored in all season.
Oh wait, nevermind!
The only ranking that matters is the last one. Jeez you make a hammer look smart.
Good god almighty. The ranking criteria does not change - at all - moving from week to week. That’s the entire point of having weekly rankings, so the committee can be held accountable for why teams are moving up and down.
If your position is that the committee did a shítty job with the week 10-14 rankings, but an awesome job with the final rankings, then you are calling the entire selection criteria into question as well, and confirming that the committee cannot be trusted (which everyone already knows by now). Because it’s no different at all in the final week than any other week.