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paindonthurt

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I kind of question just how much more talent they have than us with the first 22 we put on the field. Their backups are better for sure.
I agree with this. Our starters are pretty close. Still less talent when you factor in o line and pass blocking

but our depth isn’t there. That’s a big reason we’ve lost late. We give out on defense.
 
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Lebby earned every single bit of grief and criticism he got after the Texas game. The decision making on 4th down, the constant snapping of the ball with 20 seconds left on the playclock, etc was so foolish. He literally gave away a guaranteed win. Which in the end, may end up costing us a bowl game.

But. Saturday went a long way to righting the ship. It was as must win a game as a coach can have. Credit to him for getting it done. It was clear to me that if he went 0-8 this year, he deserved to end should be fired. But I also thought 1-7 should earn him the benefit of the doubt. He got there. And there is zero doubt he should continue on in 2026. If he can get at least one more, this year, I think that even makes the Texas game totallly forgivable and people will be as optimistic as they can be going forward. But he certainly deserves credit for keeping this thing together after the Florida and Texas debacles.
 

paindonthurt

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Lebby earned every single bit of grief and criticism he got after the Texas game. The decision making on 4th down, the constant snapping of the ball with 20 seconds left on the playclock, etc was so foolish. He literally gave away a guaranteed win. Which in the end, may end up costing us a bowl game.

But. Saturday went a long way to righting the ship. It was as must win a game as a coach can have. Credit to him for getting it done. It was clear to me that if he went 0-8 this year, he deserved to end should be fired. But I also thought 1-7 should earn him the benefit of the doubt. He got there. And there is zero doubt he should continue on in 2026. If he can get at least one more, this year, I think that even makes the Texas game totallly forgivable and people will be as optimistic as they can be going forward. But he certainly deserves credit for keeping this thing together after the Florida and Texas debacles.
4th down wasn’t a good call but does that make Kiffin a bad coach? Bc he does it all the time.
 
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OG Goat Holder

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Agree, but Lebby is twice the coach Croom was. And Croom coached Barry Sanders AND Jerious Norwood AND Anthony Dixon. He also coached when the SEC was at a decades low point. Alabama was awful.
Is he? Or did our alumni just buy him enough players along with an older group of returnees? Croom went 7-5 too, even the bad ones usually have an 'up' year.

It all remains to be seen. He gets next year to prove that.
 

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I agree with this. Our starters are pretty close. Still less talent when you factor in o line and pass blocking

but our depth isn’t there. That’s a big reason we’ve lost late. We give out on defense.
Our OL (including current staters) is hot garbage. Our run defense didn’t seem much better this weekend.

That said, Lebby is doing far more with far less against one hell of a tough schedule. If he can ever get some studs in the trenches that can stay healthy, watch out!
 
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4th down wasn’t a good call but does that make Kiffin a bad coach? Bc he does it all the time.
All 4th downs aren’t equal. It’s not just down, distance, and what yard line you are on. But it’s the score. And more than that it’s assessing game flow and momentum. Lebby’s decision was Ed Orgeron Egg Bowl level dumb. You can use whatever analytic tool you want to justify Orgeron’s call. But everybody with football sense knew game-flow there dictate you punt.

Kiffin can be wreckless too. He’d get a lot more grief about it if he wasn’t routinely fielding Top 10 teams. But at least one of those 4th down decisions Lebby made late in the game was one I don’t even think Kiffin was dumb enough to make.
 

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Is he? Or did our alumni just buy him enough players along with an older group of returnees? Croom went 7-5 too, even the bad ones usually have an 'up' year.

It all remains to be seen. He gets next year to prove that.
The goalpost moving you’re doing is very impressive. Before the season you said you’d quit posting for six months if we won five games. Now that we have, this year is an “up” year and Lebby still needs next year to prove himself. Please honor your five win bet.
 

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All 4th downs aren’t equal. It’s not just down, distance, and what yard line you are on. But it’s the score. And more than that it’s assessing game flow and momentum. Lebby’s decision was Ed Orgeron Egg Bowl level dumb. You can use whatever analytic tool you want to justify Orgeron’s call. But everybody with football sense knew game-flow theee dictate you punt.

Kiffin can be wreckless too. He’d get a lot more grief about it if he wasn’t routinely fielding Top 10 teams. But at least one of those 4th down decisions Lebby made late in the game was one I don’t even think Kiffin was dumb enough to make.
Kiffin went for it on fourth down against Oklahoma from his own 25 yard line up 12 in the third quarter, and took a sack back to the 15. If Lebby did that, some of y’all would have a stroke.
 
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I hate I’m even responding to Goat’s “Croom” comment but it’s just so damn ridiculous.

We are currently leading the nation in 40+ yard pass plays, 9 of which resulted in TD’s. We are 3 plays away from being 8-1. One win away from bowling. Everyone hates that Lebby is still figuring out to win, as this is his first HC job and he’s only been here for over a year. But dammit man, there’s not a single resemblance to Sylvester Croom in this team. You can criticize the losses all you want, but this team is fighting like hell and exciting to watch. None of these things you could say about MSU football in the 2000s.

Goat and a few others on this board want to sabotage what Lebby is building because they are prideful, arrogant, douche bags that would rather be “right” than see MSU football succeed.
 

paindonthurt

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Kiffin can be wreckless too. He’d get a lot more grief about it if he wasn’t routinely fielding Top 10 teams. But at least one of those 4th down decisions Lebby made late in the game was one I don’t even think Kiffin was dumb enough to make.
Kiffen has made some horrific 4th down calls. Terrible ones. FACT.

But b/c he's winning against weak competition its overlooked a lot.

Kiffen is a good coach. He makes bad decisions sometimes. All good coaches do.

Lebby is coaching pretty damn good b/c we are 5-4 with less talent than everyone who has beaten us. He has made some bad calls yes. All coaches do.
 

paindonthurt

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I hate I’m even responding to Goat’s “Croom” comment but it’s just so damn ridiculous.

We are currently leading the nation in 40+ yard pass plays, 9 of which resulted in TD’s. We are 3 plays away from being 8-1. One win away from bowling. Everyone hates that Lebby is still figuring out to win, as this is his first HC job and he’s only been here for over a year. But dammit man, there’s not a single resemblance to Sylvester Croom in this team. You can criticize the losses all you want, but this team is fighting like hell and exciting to watch. None of these things you could say about MSU football in the 2000s.

Goat and a few others on this board want to sabotage what Lebby is building because they are prideful, arrogant, douche bags that would rather be “right” than see MSU football succeed.
Goat has zero ability to sabotage what Lebby is doing. Goat is a piece of lint in Selmon's @$$ crack at best. He's a loser on the internet.
 

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I kind of question just how much more talent they have than us with the first 22 we put on the field. Their backups are better for sure.
We played even with A&M first half, should have been leading the game at that point. Lost a few keys and that was that in the last 30 minutes. Felt like the Bama games when they had 2nd string 5 stars.
 
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Kiffin went for it on fourth down against Oklahoma from his own 25 yard line up 12 in the third quarter, and took a sack back to the 15. If Lebby did that, some of y’all would have a stroke.

I didn’t watch any of the game so I missed that one. That’s egregiously dumb. Good thing he won the game. Or they’d have been as pissed at him as we were at Lebby after the Texas game. And rightly so.
 
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Well let’s talk about the truth. How this season has been frustrating as 17 but our coach seems to be pretty good.

he damn sure knows how to keep 18 to 22 year olds motivated and playing hard.
I've been impressed with the team not even thinking about quitting. Does the idea of an NIL payday factor into that at all? Regardless, I think that it says a lot about how coach has managed the locker room attitude.
 

horshack.sixpack

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I hate I’m even responding to Goat’s “Croom” comment but it’s just so damn ridiculous.

We are currently leading the nation in 40+ yard pass plays, 9 of which resulted in TD’s. We are 3 plays away from being 8-1. One win away from bowling. Everyone hates that Lebby is still figuring out to win, as this is his first HC job and he’s only been here for over a year. But dammit man, there’s not a single resemblance to Sylvester Croom in this team. You can criticize the losses all you want, but this team is fighting like hell and exciting to watch. None of these things you could say about MSU football in the 2000s.

Goat and a few others on this board want to sabotage what Lebby is building because they are prideful, arrogant, douche bags that would rather be “right” than see MSU football succeed.
didn't we fight each other some? seems like we even blocked each other in games...
 

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Snatching defeat from the hands of victory was a Croom attribute. His players played hard for him too.
Croom's teams were never in games to be able to snatch defeat from victory. We got blown out in most of his losses because we couldn't score any points. I posted this before, but in 27% of Croom's games as coach, we scored single-digit points or were shut out. Lebby in no way, shape or form compares to Croom.
 

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Croom's teams were never in games to be able to snatch defeat from victory. We got blown out in most of his losses because we couldn't score any points. I posted this before, but in 27% of Croom's games as coach, we scored single-digit points or were shut out. Lebby in no way, shape or form compares to Croom.
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Lebby earned every single bit of grief and criticism he got after the Texas game. The decision making on 4th down, the constant snapping of the ball with 20 seconds left on the playclock, etc was so foolish. He literally gave away a guaranteed win. Which in the end, may end up costing us a bowl game.

But. Saturday went a long way to righting the ship. It was as must win a game as a coach can have. Credit to him for getting it done. It was clear to me that if he went 0-8 this year, he deserved to end should be fired. But I also thought 1-7 should earn him the benefit of the doubt. He got there. And there is zero doubt he should continue on in 2026. If he can get at least one more, this year, I think that even makes the Texas game totallly forgivable and people will be as optimistic as they can be going forward. But he certainly deserves credit for keeping this thing together after the Florida and Texas debacles.
Right. Both things can be true. He deserves criticism for Florida Texas and Tennessee for how we handled the end of those games. He deserves credit for the ones he won that were close. TAMU we were way out matched in a bad environment.
 

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Croom's teams were never in games to be able to snatch defeat from victory. We got blown out in most of his losses because we couldn't score any points. I posted this before, but in 27% of Croom's games as coach, we scored single-digit points or were shut out. Lebby in no way, shape or form compares to Croom.
^This. The Croom years were miserable to watch. Last year was as close as we've been to those years when there seemed to be zero hope. Lebby has made many mistakes, but we are nowhere close to the Croom years. Time makes many blind.
 

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Kiffin went for it on fourth down against Oklahoma from his own 25 yard line up 12 in the third quarter, and took a sack back to the 15. If Lebby did that, some of y’all would have a stroke.
Kiffin had built a lot more insurance and has shown he can win more than he loses doing that. It is what it is. You win you can build yourself some credit to make calls like that when your overall record is 7-14 as a head coach you don't get that lucky. Everything you do is under a microscope. Though it's funny you don't think the ole miss fans are pissed with kiffin does that and it doesn't work