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I can’t imagine looking through the lens of life with such a spiteful shade of misery and anger
Funny... I see a man grounded in purpose, faith, and family, and it inspires me. But I get it… when you’ve abandoned all that for moral relativism and virtue signaling, it probably does look like “misery” to you. That’s not anger you’re sensing... it’s clarity.
I’m talking about the dude who wrote the tweet, not Scottie. Scottie seems like a great guy
not questioning you, but am wondering your reasoning for your comment. Were you concerned about the obese fat woman or the mulvaney comment?
Its crazy to me how upset Americans get over the simple existence or learning of the existence of people who they don't understand. They don't even have the simple amount of self awareness to understand they are acting like a simple animal, scared of what they don't understand.
I feel sorry for them honestly. Their life is so bland and inconsequential that they feel the need to lash out at how others are living their life.
Nobody who has a successful career, great home life, and is in good shape gives a ****. You only care if attacking others temporarily fills the whole in your heart made by your own feelings of inadequacy.
I’m kind of in awe of conservatives’ ability to believe that every single thing around them is a slight against them specifically.
They believe rights are like a pie, others get more rights and it takes away from their slice....
What’s actually “crazy” is thinking disagreement equals fear. People aren’t “scared” of what they don’t understand... they’re frustrated by being told they have to abandon truth, logic, or values just to cater to someone else’s constantly shifting reality. That’s not fear. That’s resistance to forced conformity wrapped in emotional manipulation.
Basic self-awareness? It’s recognizing that not everyone who pushes back is some primitive caveman... you’re just not entitled to their agreement.
Says the side that sees systemic oppression in math, violence in words, and existential threats in people who don’t clap for their pronouns.
It’s not that conservatives think everything’s a slight... it’s that we recognize when core values like freedom, truth, and accountability are being eroded under the guise of “progress.” You can’t gaslight people into compliance and then act shocked when they push back.
No... conservatives don’t think rights are like a pie. We believe rights come with responsibility, not just emotional entitlement. The problem isn’t that others are getting “more rights”... it’s that what’s being demanded isn’t equal rights, it’s special treatment, censorship of dissent, and forced ideological conformity.
Calling that out isn’t selfish... it’s defending the very idea of equal rights in the first place.
Tell me who is getting their rights taken away?
Give me actual examples, not just tweets and memes.
I say it all the time. Never been a worse time in history to be a straight white male. Very unfair!
ever consider changing your pronouns to she/her??? That will get attention
If you aren't scared then why is it all that's talked about? Major issue.... amount of actual folks? .05% of the population
If you are for freedom, instead of tyranny then um leave them alone. Passing a bunch of laws seems odd and like you all are scared.
Happy to. But first, let’s be honest about the setup of your question. You’re not actually asking if it’s happening... you’re setting the bar at “prove it in a way I can’t dismiss.” So let’s walk through some examples anyway:
- Free speech: Dissenting views on topics like gender ideology, COVID policy, or election integrity have led to people being deplatformed, fired, or investigated... not because they incited violence, but because their opinions were “offensive” to the prevailing narrative. That’s not debate, that’s censorship.
- Religious liberty: People like Jack Phillips (Masterpiece Cakeshop) and others have been dragged through years of legal hell for declining to participate in messages that violate their faith... not refusing service, but refusing to endorse a particular ideology. That’s compelled speech.
- Due process and fairness: We’ve seen school kids expelled, employees terminated, and people publicly vilified before any facts are gathered... often just based on accusations that contradict progressive orthodoxy. That’s mob rule, not justice.
What’s being defended here isn’t some conservative victim complex... it’s a system where rights actually apply equally, not just when they align with popular activism.
Cute deflection, but this was never about straight white males... it’s about equal protection under the law regardless of who you are.
If your go-to response to examples of censorship, compelled speech, or due process violations is sarcasm, that says more about your priorities than mine.
It’s not about being “scared”... it’s about drawing a line when activism crosses into compelled speech, policy mandates, and the erosion of basic rights.
If it truly affected “only 0.05%,” then why the constant push for laws, mandates, and institutional enforcement that impact everyone else? Why are people losing jobs, licenses, or being dragged through court for not affirming something they don’t believe?
Saying “just leave them alone” goes both ways. If someone wants to live how they choose... fine. But when laws are passed to force others to comply, conform, or be silent, it’s no longer about personal freedom... it’s about ideological control.
Defending liberty means protecting all viewpoints, not just the ones you like.
This is quite possibly the biggest verbal "beatdown" ever on the WestZone and I commend you.
@Weapon_X bringing the heat and making all kinds of logical sense. 
@Weapon_X bringing the heat and making all kinds of logical sense.
Appreciate that. It’s not hard to bring the heat when the other side ignores morals, facts, logic, and truth... and bases everything on feelings and moral relativism.
Some of us still believe objective truth matters. That’s the foundation... not a vibe.
This stuff usually isn’t my political focus, but the vast majority of us should agree that cancel culture, hiring people based on DEI vs merit, dudes playing girls sports, encouraging obesity with “body positivity,” etc are all fvcking stupid. Good riddance.
Do you feel like the Trump administration is setting a good example in these areas? He sure as hell doesn't appoint people based on merit, that much is clear. And we've never before seen cancel culture weaponized like we're seeing now. Where are our free speech absolutists?
"Skydance Media says it will appoint a new ombudsman to eliminate bias at CBS plus it will wipe out DEI at CBS and Paramount when it acquires them. It made the promises in two letters sent to FCC Chair Brendan Carr.
“Skydance also will commit, for a period of at least two years, to have in place an ombudsman who reports to the President of New Paramount, who will receive and evaluate any complaints of bias or other concerns involving CBS. New Paramount's executive leadership will carefully consider any such complaints in overseeing CBS's news programming."
Paramount "no longer will maintain an Office of Global Inclusion," will "not have any teams or individual roles focused on DEI," and will remove "references to DEI in its public messaging, including on its websites and social media."
Oh, now you care about merit and cancel culture? That’s rich.
The Left spent the last decade cheering on people getting fired, banned, or blacklisted for saying men can’t get pregnant or that maybe hiring should be based on qualifications instead of skin color. But suddenly when the DEI machine starts getting unplugged, you’re clutching pearls about “free speech” and “merit”? Spare me.
And dragging Trump into this? Classic dodge. This conversation isn’t about one man... it’s about an entire culture that traded truth for feelings, biology for make-believe, and achievement for identity checkboxes.
You don’t get to torch the house and then scream when someone boards up the windows. The correction is here... and it’s just getting started.
Your extreme hyperbolic exaggerations based on things you saw on LibsokTikTok doesn't make them true. I'm on the Left and nothing in that absurd paragraph rings true for me or anyone else I know, but it makes for great rage-bait to fire up the culture wars your side has weaponized. You are a ridiculous programmed AI bot, IMO.
You're also completely mis-characterizing DEI initiatives, which I know about first-hand and they had absolutely nothing to do with discriminating against white applicants - nothing!
You're damn right I'm dragging Trump into this as he is abusing the power of the presidency to bring to heel any media outlets, universities and institutions who won't kiss the ring of the most corrupt politician in American history because they hurt his fee fees and now he's out for revenge. It's not freedom to financially penalize anyone who disagrees with you, not in America.... or the America we used to know.
It may be just getting started but the slap back will be hard when we unravel this authoritarian madness when we re-take the reins in a few years, so enjoy the hate show while you can - it won't last for much longer.
Ah, the classic “it’s not happening because I personally haven’t experienced it” defense. That’s not a rebuttal... it’s willful ignorance. The point isn’t what you feel about DEI or what you think the Left stands for. The facts are clear: DEI programs in many institutions have explicitly prioritized race and identity over merit. That’s not equality... it’s discrimination repackaged as progress. Just because your experience was different doesn’t erase the mountains of documented cases where that wasn’t true.
And calling everything you disagree with “rage bait” is ironic, considering your comment reads like it was written in all caps while clenching your fists. You accuse others of hyperbole while ranting about “authoritarian madness” and Trump silencing institutions... meanwhile, the past few years have seen censorship collusion between Big Tech and government, the suppression of dissenting speech, and political prosecutions you conveniently overlook.
If disagreement feels like hate to you, maybe it’s because your version of tolerance only exists when everyone around you nods in unison. You’re not dragging Trump into the conversation... you’re using him as a shield to avoid addressing the very real failures and overreach of your own ideology.
Freedom doesn’t mean never being offended. It means living in a country where we’re allowed to speak uncomfortable truths, even if they make you squirm.
So yes, the pushback is happening... and it’s not because of hate. It’s because people are done being told they must celebrate the absurd, deny the obvious, and stay silent to protect someone else’s feelings. That’s not democracy. That’s compliance... and some of us still remember what America used to be.
This isn’t “lighting yourself on fire”... it’s rejecting the lie that bigger government and forced redistribution somehow help the working class. People cheer for policies that give them opportunity, freedom, and dignity... not handouts wrapped in condescension.
What this video completely misses is that many Americans don’t want to be controlled, pitied, or permanently dependent on the state. They don’t trust the same politicians who’ve been failing them for decades while pretending to care. And no, they don’t see “billionaires” as the enemy just for being rich... they see corruption, censorship, and overreach as the real threat, no matter who’s behind it.
They’re not setting themselves on fire. They’re trying to stop the political arsonists who’ve been burning down the economy, the culture, and the Constitution while lecturing everyone about “compassion.”
Not trying to highjack the thread, but why is Kinzinger such a ******? I don't think a day has gone by in his life when he hasn't cried about something.
What a ******* *****!
Are you trying to minimize the fact that Trump is on the warpath against anyone who speaks uncomfortable truths that he doesn't like? This isn't the Biden campaign asking Twitter to take down Hunter's dick pics here - we're talking about the brazen suppression of anyone or anything that he perceives not be ideologically aligned with maga, by extorting them with the full weight of the government, in order to crush dissent, so this country you speak of is disappearing fast and hell no, this is not the same as your imaginary slights. It's not freedom if you can't say what you want without being severely financially penalized by the mother ******* government.
But I'm sorry that you were banned, blacklisted or otherwise harmed by that thing that didn't happen to you. Tots and pears.
So let me get this straight... you’re suddenly worried about free speech and government overreach, but you had nothing to say when people were banned, blacklisted, and demonetized for stating biological facts, questioning lockdowns, or sharing a laptop story the media now admits was real?
You’re not defending free speech... you’re just upset that your side no longer has total control over the narrative.
No, Trump isn’t “extorting” people with government power. That was the last administration, coordinating with social media companies to censor dissent, labeling concerned parents as domestic threats, and siccing the DOJ on political opponents. You didn’t care then. Spare me the performative outrage now.
Free speech means everyone gets to talk, not just those aligned with the regime-approved message. If that bothers you, maybe you were never for freedom in the first place.
As for the snarky “tots and pears” line... thanks for proving you’re more interested in sarcasm than substance.
Holy Hyperbole Batman, you can surround your bellicose propaganda with all the pretty words but that doesn't make you right, because being smart doesn't bestow you with the truth and exaggeration doesn't substitute for accuracy.
But please share with the board how anyone was blacklisted for stating biological truths or questioning lockdowns - I didn't hear about this brutal blacklist epidemic so I'd like to hear more about it. Is it in the room with you now?
And please tell me who was harmed by stating the laptop was real because as a reminder, the intelligence agents didn't say it wasn't, they said and I quote: "the story had all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation" and followed up by saying they weren't saying it wasn't real, just that it had the potential of being Russian propaganda. So if they didn't lie, how could someone be harmed by stating they thought it was real?
As far as your comment about labeling parents as domestic threats, once again you misinform. In response to the letter the NSBA sent to Biden, Merrick Garland issued a memo directing the FBI to address a disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school officials but clarified that his directive should be focused on threats of violence NOT free speech, which includes simply expressing their views, even if heated.
Free speech is under assault in a way we never could have envisioned just six months ago so let's not try to compare what's happening now with removing someone from a social media platform for inciting an insurrection or spreading malicious anti-vaccine misinformation. These things were rational responses to things that caused real harm to fellow Americans so let's not pretend they harmed you, unless you demand to be lied to. No worries, Elon now supports your wishes so it's a moot point.
But that's not what we're talking about because we're in a situation now where speaking the truth in a way that displeases Donnie comes with an ombudsman being named to ensure balanced coverage, your broadcast license being threatened, your funding being pulled and/or huge retribution style financial penalties, so you're lying when you say that's not extortion because Biden did something you didn't like - these things are not the same.
The snarky retort was an appropriate response to your ridiculous drivel but to be nice, I'll use the correct words "Thoughts and Prayers" because it makes me sad about that thing you heard or saw or read or something like that and I'm sorry about it.
I mean this doesn't really address the point he was making about the lower classes supporting the re-distribution of wealth from the bottom to the top because they've been trained to hate the side that benefits them more, but I'm glad you could get that off your chest.
When you run out of arguments, just start with “Holy Hyperbole Batman” and accuse your opponent of propaganda while pretending that smugness = substance. Let’s take your mess apart, one delusion at a time.
1. “No one was blacklisted for stating biological truths or questioning lockdowns.”
You must have slept through 2020–2022. Here’s a short list:
- Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Stanford professor and co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration, was shadowbanned on Twitter for opposing lockdowns—later confirmed in the Twitter Files.
- Dr. Martin Kulldorff, Harvard epidemiologist, was censored and restricted on social media for saying children didn’t need COVID vaccines.
- Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying, evolutionary biologists, were demonetized and suppressed on YouTube for discussing lab-leak theory and ivermectin—both of which were eventually considered plausible by mainstream outlets.
- Regular Americans, including teachers, nurses, and police officers, lost jobs for refusing vaccine mandates... even if they had natural immunity or religious objections.
2. “The intelligence agents didn’t say the laptop wasn’t real.”
Spare me. The purpose of the letter signed by 51 former intel officials was to plant doubt, to create the illusion that the laptop was Russian disinfo without actually making a claim they could be held accountable for. That’s what we call a deliberate lie by omission. And guess what? It worked. The story was actively suppressed by Facebook and Twitter within days, the New York Post was locked out of its account, and polls show a significant number of voters had no idea about the laptop’s contents before the election.
That’s called election interference by proxy. You don’t have to believe it came from Moscow... you just have to follow the impact. But hey, when a lie serves your political tribe, I guess it’s not really a lie, right?
3. “Parents weren’t labeled domestic terrorists.”
Garland’s DOJ directed the FBI to use counterterrorism resources to investigate “threats” against school board members... based on a letter from the NSBA that literally compared concerned parents to domestic terrorists. The memo was vague enough to chill speech, and internal emails showed DOJ officials coordinated with the White House before the letter was even sent.
And don’t pretend there wasn’t abuse. FBI whistleblowers later revealed that agents were instructed to flag cases related to school board incidents, no matter how minor, and track them using terrorism tags. But hey, as long as Merrick Garland said “we’re not targeting speech,” that makes it all fine, right?
4. “Free speech is only under assault now.”
You’re out of your depth here. Under the previous administration (read: Biden’s), we had:
- The DHS’s “Disinformation Governance Board” (yes, that was real).
- White House officials directly coordinating with Twitter and Facebook to suppress dissenting views on vaccines, masks, and the Hunter Biden laptop—also confirmed in the Twitter Files.
- Bank accounts frozen in Canada (Trudeau’s bestie move) for political donations.
- Demonetization and deplatforming of creators who expressed the “wrong” opinions... not hate speech, not violence, just wrongthink.
5. “Elon supports your wishes, so it’s moot.”
Ah yes... when a private company stops colluding with government actors, suddenly free speech isn’t under threat anymore? That’s rich. You didn’t care when people were silenced... you cared when you lost the mute button.
6. “Now Donnie wants to name ombudsmen, pull licenses, and threaten funding.”
You mean… demanding media accountability? Wow. Welcome to politics. Biden tried to create a Ministry of Truth and pressure tech companies to delete posts. Obama spied on journalists. The Pentagon flagged Twitter users for COVID opinions. But now Trump criticizes media bias and you act like it’s 1984.
No one’s shutting anyone down. If publicly funded platforms and broadcast stations are lying, yes... there’s going to be pressure to clean house. You may call it extortion. The rest of us call it accountability.
7. “Thoughts and Prayers” for that thing that never happened to you.
Oh it happened... to millions of Americans. They were censored, silenced, demonetized, fired, and slandered. But because it didn’t happen to you, you think it’s fake. That says everything.
So here’s your reality check:
You didn’t rebut my points... you just rationalized your side’s abuses by calling them “rational responses.” You think your censorship is safety and their speech is extremism. That’s not logic. That’s authoritarian cosplay wrapped in a smug tone.
You’re not defending free speech. You’re defending power... and now you’re mad you don’t control the narrative anymore.
Tough break.