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Everything is based on last season. With portal you really don't know. I don't think we will be worth a ****. We could win one SEC game. They played ole miss pretty tough last season and ole miss loss 19 starters. What did Missouri and Arkansas lose and who they picked up. You just don't know anymore. It might come down to us suckassing more than Arkansas. I don't expect much and hope I am surprised.
"1. We looked better than last year
2. They play hard
3. Fewer mistakes on defense
4. The schedule is really bad
5. Still cleaning up the mess he was left
6. All the money went to baseball
Therefore, we have to give lebby another year"
What lebby fluffer justifications am I leaving out?
EDIT 1: Added 5 and 6 from jethreauxdawg
2. They play hard
3. Fewer mistakes on defense
4. The schedule is really bad
5. Still cleaning up the mess he was left
6. All the money went to baseball
Therefore, we have to give lebby another year"
What lebby fluffer justifications am I leaving out?
EDIT 1: Added 5 and 6 from jethreauxdawg
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Really 1 and 3 would justify him staying as long as we get 3 wins. Then it's 6 wins or bust in 2026.
I was in the camp it's hard to fire a coach after 2 seasons when you would be going on your 5th coach in 7 years. It sucks. Plus I don't think Selmon will fire his buddy after 2 seasons anyway.
Nobody wants a bar that low, but the fact is if there is large improvement from last year they will give him year 3. We just flipped the roster over as well so they are trying to improve our talent.
This is year #1 for Lebby whether folks like it or not. He didn't even have enough players to run a scout team last season and the talent was some of the worst we've ever had minus a handful of players. He messed up bringing back the terrible defensive staff.
Still cleaning up the mess he was left
All the money went to baseball
We could fire Lebby but I'm not sure who would want to be our HC right now. Between the current state of the SEC and college football in general we've just been dealt a really bad hand.
I edited to add these two fluffer excuses. Will try to keep a running fluffer excuse tally.
Wait, what? Last year just didn’t happen now? Lebby’s not the first coach to step into a difficult situation. But he compounded it with poor portal evaluations & recruiting and very questionable staff hires. And high school recruiting has fallen off a cliff.
I think we should just go ahead and fire him for not winning the spring game. Then sign our next coach to a one year contract and fire them every year until we win the SEC championship. Win it or bust. We are Miss State
Let me add - the decision to keep Hutzler makes a year 2 firing more warranted from a fan point of view.
I remember a few years ago arguing with people that hated our easy schedule. Congrats. You won. ••
Name all the schools that didn't have enough players to even field a scout team.....he got left a monumental poop show talent wise and NIL wise. NIL got handled and talent should be improved, but the schedule is a killer. Time to see what he can do...
And this years roster may very well have fewer 4* players than last year did. And next year we have one 4* commit so far.
Makeup department. Interesting. I learn something new everyday on SPS.
Fluffer
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How many players do you need on the roster "to field a scout team"? Go to hailstate.com and click on 2024 roster and there are 109 players listed with numbers and photos.
If he indeed gets fired maybe we can hire Saban and get to 4 wins. 
Welcome to our reality. Please don't take it out on your liver over the holiday weekend.
A program without a history of excellence/competing nationally that churns 5 coaches in 7 years will hurt itself more in the long run. I think you have to give 3 years just to give the next guy some hope that if he can coach, we will give him time to prove it. Short of us having to kick rocks, I think he gets year 3.
That same **** was being spouted off when we fired sloppy Joe. And we made a great hire. It’s a sec job that can pay well for the right guy. These coaches aren’t worried about you firing a guy who’s been as big as a disaster as Lebby. That’s been proven time and time again. That does not guarantee you will make the right hire next time but we could fire Lebby immediately after the egg bowl and the pool of candidates wouldn’t change any at all.
Situation as it is… we are probably still in that position now.
Absolute hell of a position we have been put in the past few years. And the SEC made damn sure we wallow in it with this BS schedule while it was common knowledge we were in a bad place not of our own doing. After this year we better not see Georgia again for a friken while. And the SEC absolutely doesn’t want us to play Vandy for some reason. Next year we need a damn break and a Missouri type schedule that they somehow keep getting since they joined
If we fire him this year we may frick ourselves with the “coaching community”. If we don’t.. we may frick ourselves in Croom fashion. This is assuming he really can’t run a program and we see the same thing as last year.
The ultimate damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I’ll be cheering for a hell of a turnaround this year. Not because I’m a Lebby or bust guy… because we will be in another bind if there isn’t
The problem isn't churning coaches. The problem is hiring bad coaches.
Agreed. But outside perception would just be "who do they think they are?" not giving any coach a fighting chance to get his program built, even though the college landscape has changed so dramatically that you basically have to rebuild the roster annually. I can see there being a longevity benefit in that whoever remains in the program year to year would need less coaching on system basics and might help quickly assimilate the new guys who come in from the portal.
The outside perception will be that no one cares. Really. They don't. Media might get outraged for a minute then they'll move on. And any prospective coaches would only care that a good paying SEC job is open. They would understand that in this business you get fired if you don't win. It's that simple.
The reality is like it or not the college football world has been turned upside down since then.
Perhaps. I could also see a coach looking at the history of coaches that "moved up" to coaching SEC ball at MSU and saw their career never recover. Moorehead and Arnett certainly haven't fared well to date. From my seat it just looks like people who took a job they couldn't handle, but I have no idea if MSU has some notoriety in coaching circles for not providing proper support, adequate resources, enough time, etc. I'm curious about that. I doubt that any coach is sitting around thinking about MSU, in general.
That's always going to be the case no matter how many years we wait to fire a bad coach. Mississippi State isn't an easy place to win big. But Sherrill, Mullen and Leach proved you can win here. And if you're a younger coach looking to move up, Mullen proved you can move up to an elite job. Any prospective coaches will look at it the same as you or I would. Moorhead, Arnett and Lebby were idiots who were in over their heads.