We are MUCH improved…..
- Thread starter L4Dawg
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Lol, I'm part of the hive mind am I? It sure doesn't look that way here.
. If the team quits like you have then my opinions will change. Hopefully they are made of better stuff than you. We won't beat Ole Miss. We are going to finish 4-8.
I bet you actually belive that. That would explain a lot if so.
Of course you are, though your types are dwindling over the years due to age obviously. And there are less on this board. But we definitely have some RuNdAbAwLers, and they share that trait with you genespagers.
No, what I wrote implied that you are not smart enough to toggle between different accounts. And your posts keep proving me correct
You are the poster child for the MSU hive mind, and it never changes. It's been that way my whole life. Fire the coach and bring in the back up QB. It's all we know.
it's hilarious that you still think I'm a run the ball guy. You never change either.
I don't think we have a "fire the coach" hivemind.
When have we EVER fired a coach too early in any sport? We almost always keep coaches too long and then have to fire them anyway.
When have we EVER fired a coach too early in any sport? We almost always keep coaches too long and then have to fire them anyway.
Get back to us when the most talented 40% of this team starts putting their name into the portal toward the end of the season and transfers out. In the current portal and NIL environment, you have to capitalize on opportunities within a season these days. Gone are the days of developing players and planning around your best playmakers year over year.
Every coach we've fired in the 21st century:
- Croom - should have fired him in 2006 or even earlier. He had a fluky good season in 2007, and then fired him in 2008.
- Rick Ray - should have fired him sooner
- Moorhead - fired him at the right time. Glad we didn't give him longer.
- Howland - probably fired him at the right time, although he wasn't as bad as most on this list.
- Arnett - questionable just because he didn't get a full year and then we got Lebby, but still, nobody really thinks we fired him too soon.
- Lemonis - should have fired him 2 years sooner, though obviously it worked out really well to get O'Connor in 2025.
They don’t have to stand in formation for thirty seconds. They can stand in the huddle then get to the line with ten seconds left. They could practice these things ahead of time and figure out how their team needs to do it. It takes a coach and team growing and learning new things besides Xs and Os. Lebby has to control as much as possible and the clock is one of the things you have the most control over in a game. An opponent with good talent has a say in the execution of plays but there is very little they can do about the clock when you have the ball.
When he says “togetherness” he means don’t blame him, blame everyone and especially the guys who aren’t executing. Lebby is selfish.
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Man, in a way, we probably let Howland stick around too long, largely based on the fact that he was rebuilding and improving from the Rick Ray years and the “cupboard was bare”. I kept waiting on him to the corner and it just never materialized.
According to SP+, we are pretty substantially improved from 2023. We finished 62 that year and are currently 38.
62 was ahead of only Vanderbilt in the SEC that year. Right now we are 12th.
I think that's a data point that Lebby supporters should incorporate into their arguments.
Hey L4, here's a chart for ya, break it down for us
Some people wrote big checks this year to see if Lebby could get it going. He just can’t drop another 0-8 SEC season. Which is where this seems to be headed. And if so, the NIL war chest won’t be there for 2026 to compete. This isn’t unique to Mississippi State. Nobody in the SEC would get the funding necessary to compete with these kinds of results. Not LSU. Not Ole Miss. Not Vanderbilt. It stinks. There was a lot of improvement this year. But continuing to lose game after game in this fashion just inspires no confidence that investing in this coaching staff will ever produce a result any different than what we are seeing. He has 4 SEC games left to prove otherwise. After just totally giving away a home win yesterday, I think he needs 2 of them to change the perception and right the ship.
No need for an extension OR raise because nobody's going to come calling looking for a guy with his "skills". If they keep him that's one subject, but a raise and/or extension..... If Keenum/Selmon do that they can all go
Was that mansplainin'? Because that is basically what I wrote. I said you can huddle to eat clock up, but we don't and didn't. We stood in formation inside of 10 seconds from when the 40 second clock started. So to use it all you would have to stand in formation for 30 seconds. Which again we didn't because we snapped the ball with 20 seconds left on the clock.
Mansplainin' right back at you.
Very insulting post. Who are you to define the litmus test for who is and who isn't an MSU fan. But to your point, yes we are better but it is not resulting in wins. It is resulting in near certain wins that are being pissed away in the most ridiculous and agonizing fashion imaginable. This tends to overshadow the better part.
We are much improved. This is a bad year to get a new coach. We have a joke for head coach. I have no idea we're going, but I'm not getting paid AD money.
Mullen won a conference game his first year and won 5 games and followed up with a big season in year two. He won with what he had and didn't blame nil. These two are not the same
What insulting is carrying on like we have the worst team we have ever had. It's not and it's pretty close to being a decent or better team. That is FACT.
Sure whatever. I agree we are better as defined by much better talent. We should be because an unprecedented amount of money was ponied up to get that talent. We are not close to having the worst team we have ever had and I don't believe I ever said we were.
If you want to talk about FACTS though it is a FACT that we have blown in epic fashion two 'sure' SEC wins and pretty close to a third. You can react to that however you want. My reaction is this is a pretty significant flaw for a team in the NIL/portal era that is not made up of inexperienced freshmen and sophomore's. Many teams flip rosters routinely now. We are no exception and must do so again. Because of this, I have great concerns for a coaching staff's game management skill that can't get us over the finish line in games like 3 of the last 4.
I've been around enough football to have seen this stuff before. I'm not into panicking, or quitting. Feel free to be emotional if you want to.
This is a good team with limited depth that hasn't figured out how to win yet.
We have a coach that is learning on the job and who will be learning on the job next year too. He will have more wins next year, hopefully enough to keep our desperate fan base happy. He has the potential and certainly the pedigree to be special.
Dan ain't coming back. I don't think Billy or Brian would come here either --- maybe we can hold out for Hugh.
Don't see us attracting a better coach not this year and probably not next year either.
We have a coach that is learning on the job and who will be learning on the job next year too. He will have more wins next year, hopefully enough to keep our desperate fan base happy. He has the potential and certainly the pedigree to be special.
Dan ain't coming back. I don't think Billy or Brian would come here either --- maybe we can hold out for Hugh.
Don't see us attracting a better coach not this year and probably not next year either.
I spoke to someone Sunday who is a big giver. Not cigarboy giver, but he's a pretty big giver. His exact words were "I'm ready to take a step back from football after Saturday."
How many others like that (people that legit write checks that matter) are ready to cut bait with Lebby? If he goes 0-8 again, he needs to be fired, period.
How many others like that (people that legit write checks that matter) are ready to cut bait with Lebby? If he goes 0-8 again, he needs to be fired, period.
Emotional? How am I being emotional? I simply articulated my observations and the concerns those observations leave me with. You seem to assume way too much. Or could it be that you throw out such labels as a lazy way to try and dismiss those who disagree with you.
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This.
And speaking of togetherness (or lack thereof), I hope we can get some wins soon and go back to insulting our opponents instead of each other.
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Have some self awareness. You are behaving like a carnie judging a tallest midget contest.