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<div>Why can't we just be happy right now with being 4-2?</div><div>
</div>In multiple years of sucking, we are a legitimate team that could beat anybody (giving some breaks of course) and all people want to do is complain. We are 4-2, we lost to to two undefeated teams (and granted we should of least went to overtime with auburn) - we have beat everyone we should of have, and held it together (minus a quarter and half vs lsu) against the teams that we lost to,<div>
</div><div>Let me remind everybody who has forgotten . . . . we are Mississippi State, not Florida, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and hell, not even Georgia and Auburn - if we win 6-8 games majority of the time and once every 10 years somehow have a shot to win the West - then that is all we can ask for -</div><div>
</div><div>We are 4-2, we win 3 more ball games which I know we will and we are in a bowl game and on the right track - regardless of each game outcome/plays/coaching/calls, thats a great season for us</div><div><div>
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louisianadawg

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<div>Why can't we just be happy right now with being 4-2?</div><div>
</div>In multiple years of sucking, we are a legitimate team that could beat anybody (giving some breaks of course) and all people want to do is complain. We are 4-2, we lost to to two undefeated teams (and granted we should of least went to overtime with auburn) - we have beat everyone we should of have, and held it together (minus a quarter and half vs lsu) against the teams that we lost to,<div>
</div><div>Let me remind everybody who has forgotten . . . . we are Mississippi State, not Florida, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and hell, not even Georgia and Auburn - if we win 6-8 games majority of the time and once every 10 years somehow have a shot to win the West - then that is all we can ask for -</div><div>
</div><div>We are 4-2, we win 3 more ball games which I know we will and we are in a bowl game and on the right track - regardless of each game outcome/plays/coaching/calls, thats a great season for us</div><div><div>
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louisianadawg

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<div>Why can't we just be happy right now with being 4-2?</div><div>
</div>In multiple years of sucking, we are a legitimate team that could beat anybody (giving some breaks of course) and all people want to do is complain. We are 4-2, we lost to to two undefeated teams (and granted we should of least went to overtime with auburn) - we have beat everyone we should of have, and held it together (minus a quarter and half vs lsu) against the teams that we lost to,<div>
</div><div>Let me remind everybody who has forgotten . . . . we are Mississippi State, not Florida, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and hell, not even Georgia and Auburn - if we win 6-8 games majority of the time and once every 10 years somehow have a shot to win the West - then that is all we can ask for -</div><div>
</div><div>We are 4-2, we win 3 more ball games which I know we will and we are in a bowl game and on the right track - regardless of each game outcome/plays/coaching/calls, thats a great season for us</div><div><div>
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Temple of the Dawg

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Let me remind everybody who has forgotten . . . . we are Mississippi State, not Florida, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and hell, not even Georgia and Auburn - if we win 6-8 games majority of the time and once every 10 years somehow have a shot to win the West - then that is all we can ask for -
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except this part. We can do better than regularly being a 6 to 8 win team and occasionally winning the west. Kansas State is the perfect example to prove that point. They were the all time losingest (is that a word) Div 1 team. They are in the middle of 17in nowhere. They are in a state that is pretty void of D-1 talent. However, Snyder routinely had them in the top 10 or 15 and competing for the Big 12 north. So, if it can be done there, it can be done here. We have more history (albeit ours isn't huge), better facilities, a better recruiting base, etc. What we have always lacked is a coach that will stick around once they really become successful like Snyder did. If, IF, IF Mullen does, then we can have that kind of success (or any coach like Mullen)

Yes, we have a harder road to that kind of success than most of our conference brethren. Yes, we would potentially fall back to being average once that coach left/retired than LSU, Bama, AU, UGA, UT, & UF. But, you only have to look at recent history to see that each of those programs is fallible as well. LSU prior to Saban, Bama with Dubose & Shula, UT now, UF with Zook, UGA is trending down.

I'm giddy as Coach34 in the LSU football players locker room about being 4-2, but we can achieve more.
 
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Fdawg.sixpack

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no one will be complaining and i dont know many people that arent happy we are 4-2 right now...but thanks for your thoughts
 
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CowtownDawg said:

except this part. We can do better than regularly being a 6 to 8 win team and occasionally winning the west. Kansas State is the perfect example to prove that point. They were the all time losingest (is that a word) Div 1 team. They are in the middle of 17in nowhere. They are in a state that is pretty void of D-1 talent. However, Snyder routinely had them in the top 10 or 15 and competing for the Big 12 north. So, if it can be done there, it can be done here. We have more history (albeit ours isn't huge), better facilities, a better recruiting base, etc. What we have always lacked is a coach that will stick around once they really become successful like Snyder did. If, IF, IF Mullen does, then we can have that kind of success (or any coach like Mullen)

Yes, we have a harder road to that kind of success than most of our conference brethren. Yes, we would potentially fall back to being average once that coach left/retired than LSU, Bama, AU, UGA, UT, & UF. But, you only have to look at recent history to see that each of those programs is fallible as well. LSU prior to Saban, Bama with Dubose & Shula, UT now, UF with Zook, UGA is trending down.

I'm giddy as Coach34 in the LSU football players locker room about being 4-2, but we can achieve more.
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Also, how many times did KSU beat Nebraska when KSU was good?
 
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But if you are good with just 6-8 wins a year...go cheer for Southern Mississippi University. Plus, I am not sure where you are seeing that people aren't happy with 4-2. There is a difference between being critical and being ANALYTICAL...

baaaaaaaa, baaaaaa......
 
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It's possible to complain- or really criticize contructively- and still be happy. I criticized Dan last year for his play calling against LSU. That didn't mean I was unhappy with him, the team or wanted Dan fired. It was an opinion on somthing that I thought we should have done better. I criticized Jackie some in 1999. Didn't mean I was unhappy or what I was saying was unjustified.

I think when stop looking at your team in a critical way you have either:

A. Achieved perfection and mastery of football.

Or more likely

B. Your team is about to get complacent, fall on its ***, and start trending downward.
 
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It defines everything. If you beat UF, the corner will have been turned to some degree.
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We would be turning a huge corner with a win at UF but by the same token it is not a season killer or anything if we lose. For this season, getting to a bowl game any way possible is thecorner turn. Many had us at 5-7 at the start of the season so beating a ranked team at their place would be strictly bonus.
 
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However, the Big 12 isn't the WAC or CUSA either. Snyder won 3 Big 12 north titles outright & shared another one.

98: Outright champs: Beat #14 Colorado on the road, beat #11 Nebraska at home, beat #19 Mizzou on the road, lost BIG12CG to #10 TxA&M in 2OT. Also throttled Texas team with Heisman trophy winner Ricky Williams (who ran our *** over in the Cotton Bowl that year)
99: Shared champ: Beat #15 Texas on the road, lost to #7 Nebraska on the road.
2000: Outright champs: Lost to #8 OU on the road, lost to Texas A&M on the road, beat #4 Nebraska at home, lost to #1 OU in big 12 champ game, beat #21 Tennessee in Cotton Bowl. Also beat a good 8-3 Iowa State team.
2003: Outright champs: Lost to #13 Texas on road, beat #18 Nebraska on the road, beat #1 OU in the big 12 champ game.

So, to answer your question, K-State beat Nebraska 3 out of the 4 years that they won the big 12 north. Saying K-State was the perfect example may have been overstating it. However, I believe that the comparison is valid overall. Smaller school in a BCS conference with a history of losing in football with several traditionally powerful conference foes (OU, Texas, Texas A&M, Nebraska, & to some degree Colorado). So, at the least, they are a fairly valid comparison to State to show what can be accomplished given the right circumstances.
 
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patdog

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He was 74-76-2 and had a very large part in the complete debacle that the 00 decade was.
 
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Because 7 wins per year on average means we have to win all our non-conference games and go 3-5 in the SEC. With the huge disadvantage we have relative to most of the other schools in the conference, 3-5 to 4-4 is about the best we could possibly do over the long term. Even if you throw out Jackie's last 3 years, he was only 39-39-1 in the SEC. And that was in a decade when both Bama and LSU were down.
 
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Because 7 wins per year on average means we have to win all our non-conference games and go 3-5 in the SEC. With the huge disadvantage we have relative to most of the other schools in the conference, 3-5 to 4-4 is about the best we could possibly do over the long term. Even if you throw out Jackie's last 3 years, he was only 39-39-1 in the SEC. And that was in a decade when both Bama and LSU were down.
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That was also during LT's reign of terror. We finally have fresh blood in the athletic department. You have been among the countless posters on this board talking about the vast improvement in the gameday atmosphere, the mentality of the athletic department, etc. LT is gone. The social experiment is over. We are in a new era of competence & desire to excel. Do we have huge challenges in comparison to the traditional "haves" of the conference? Absolutely. Will it be a long uphill road? Absolutely. However, I believe that we have people in place now that refuse to admit defeat & accept average just because we are little ol' MSU (i.e. Lonnie Tinkle's mindset). 3-5 to 4-4 is absolutely NOT the best we can possibly do over the long term. Success on the field will breed success in terms of even better facilities, a bigger stadium, bigger crowds, more donations, more attractive job to future coaches, better recruiting, etc. It can be built anywhere.

I'm so 17in sick of this "the best we can ever be is a 7 to 8 win team" mentality. I suffered through years of LT & Crxxm, so I know what it means to feel beat down & disgusted. However, I guess I am just the type that always sees the potential in any given situation. If that makes me a sheep or delusional in the eyes of the majority of this board, then so be it.
 
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6-6 is doable almost every year and 3 SEC wins is not too much to ask depending on the schedule. If we had a easier non-conf. schedule last year then we'd have been 7-5....hell we were really close to 7-5 anyway. We should play Jackson State/Alcorn, Memphis, Ark State, UAB every year or a similar combination. We could go 1-4 in the SECW and still be 7-5 this year.
 
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CowtownDawg said:
Because 7 wins per year on average means we have to win all our non-conference games and go 3-5 in the SEC. With the huge disadvantage we have relative to most of the other schools in the conference, 3-5 to 4-4 is about the best we could possibly do over the long term. Even if you throw out Jackie's last 3 years, he was only 39-39-1 in the SEC. And that was in a decade when both Bama and LSU were down.
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That was also during LT's reign of terror. We finally have fresh blood in the athletic department. You have been among the countless posters on this board talking about the vast improvement in the gameday atmosphere, the mentality of the athletic department, etc. LT is gone. The social experiment is over. We are in a new era of competence & desire to excel. Do we have huge challenges in comparison to the traditional "haves" of the conference? Absolutely. Will it be a long uphill road? Absolutely. However, I believe that we have people in place now that refuse to admit defeat & accept average just because we are little ol' MSU (i.e. Lonnie Tinkle's mindset). 3-5 to 4-4 is absolutely NOT the best we can possibly do over the long term. Success on the field will breed success in terms of even better facilities, a bigger stadium, bigger crowds, more donations, more attractive job to future coaches, better recruiting, etc. It can be built anywhere.

I'm so 17in sick of this "the best we can ever be is a 7 to 8 win team" mentality. I suffered through years of LT & Crxxm, so I know what it means to feel beat down & disgusted. However, I guess I am just the type that always sees the potential in any given situation. If that makes me a sheep or delusional in the eyes of the majority of this board, then so be it.
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It's one thing to be a sheep, but it's another to acknowledge that complacency with mediocrity is not something that any program should accept. Just because we're MSU doesn't mean we can't strive for greatness.
 
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..it's just the 1% of whiny little pussies congregate on sixpackspeak.com & voice their homosexual grievances.

Put it this way: Do you think the majority of MSU fans are as big a douchebag as coach34, SouthPanolaDog & OEMdawg?

The answer is: Hell no. The most knowledgeable & dedicated Miss. State fans I know would not be caught dead posting on an Internet messageboard.
 
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There are 6 schools in the SEC that have HUGE advantages over us in just about everything related to success in football (money, fan support, stadiums, tradition, etc.). And 2 others have smaller advantages over us. The only schools we're on equal footing with are Mississippi and Kentucky and the only school we have any advantage over at all is Vandy. The simple fact is we will never average better than .500 in the SEC over the long term (10 years plus). Sure we can have a 10-win season every now and then and can challenge for an occasional division title. But that will never be the norm for us, whether you like it or not.
 
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patdog

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But he did more damage to MSU football in his last 3 years than anyone before him did. In fact, I'd even argue that in some ways Crxxm left us in better shape than Sherrill did. It's becoming more and more apparent that Crxxm's last couple of recruiting classes were pretty decent. Plus he didn't leave us on probation or with a team that was completely out of control. I love Jackie Sherrill for all he did for us in the 90s, but I'll always hate him for what he did to us in the 21st Century. We're just now recovering from what he did to us.
 
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Did you even watch MSU football before he got here? Did he hire Croom? Don't forget part of the talent vacuum when Croom arrived was due to him running said talent off. Not to mention forgoing recruiting his first year on the job. After reading that, I am going to feel stupid by default anytime I agree with you on any other subject.
 
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There are 6 schools in the SEC that have HUGE advantages over us in just about everything related to success in football (money, fan support, stadiums, tradition, etc.). And 2 others have smaller advantages over us. The only schools we're on equal footing with are Mississippi and Kentucky and the only school we have any advantage over at all is Vandy.
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I agree with this and even acknowledged it in my last post. I said it would be long uphill climb to catch up with the conference "haves".

The simple fact is we will never average better than .500 in the SEC over the long term (10 years plus). Sure we can have a 10-win season every now and then and can challenge for an occasional division title. But that will never be the norm for us, whether you like it or not.
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This, I disagree with. We can average better than .500 in the SEC over the long term. It will take leadership at the school with a vision and the drive to make that vision a reality. Again, it won't be easy, but I believe it can be done. Is it likely? Probably not, but we have made great strides in just the last few years beginning with Byrne, Mullen, and it seems to be continuing with Stricklin (sp?). Hopefully, Stricklin cares enough about MSU to stay here for the long run and continue to build & grow what Byrne started.

You see your position as facts that can not be changed. I see them as a history that can be altered given the right leadership. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
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patdog

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And no, Jackie didn't hire Crxxm, but he did leave us in a situation where we were basically blackmailed into hiring him since the only other viable candidate (Randy Shannon) turned us down. Also, almost every single one ofJackie's players Crxxm ran off were worthless pieces of **** and/or felons.They were a huge part of the problem that Jackie left us with. We were a lot better off without the Nick Turner's of the world that we were with them.
 
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patdog

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We are in the poorest state in the country and we have far less population perBCS school than any other SEC state (except South Carolina). To call that a long uphill climb to catch up with the conference "haves" is a huge understatement. It's more like climbing Mt. Everest without guides, oxygen, or climbing equiment.
 
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