We could beat Florida, and people will still complain about something
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Then why is Vandy constantly at the bottom tier of the SEC when they have the highest population in the conference...? (I know you're talking about the state as a whole, so just bare with me) As long as the program itself is able to flourish, then all of that other ******** reasoning could be led to rest. I'm not saying that people should all of a sudden subscribe to the notion that State will be one of the greatest BCS schools in the nation for the next decade, but in the same breath I don't really see why it couldn't be possible. We may be one of the poorest states, but we're in one of the biggest hotbeads as far as athletic talent (not just the state, but the entire southern region). Just give things time before you write it off as never being possible just because it may have never happened in the past before.
and that you really do realize that Vandy is a terrible example for you to use.
Then you're agreeing with me after all. Because any SEC school that averages 5 SEC wins per year for 10 years is going to be one of the greatest BCS schools in the nation for that time. And all I'm saying is that we can't average more than 4 SEC wins per year over the long haul. And in most years a 4-4 SEC record makes you a top 20 team. That's pretty damn good.
The difference between averaging 9-3 (5-3) over a 10 year period & averaging 8-4 (4-4) is the difference between being one of the greatest BCS schools in the nation for that time period? So, just that 1 additional conference win a year leapfrogs a team from top 20/pretty damn good to an elite BCS school?
Sorry, but 9-3 won't even sniff a BCS game in at least 5 out of 10 years in the SEC I would guess.
Also, you feel that we can average 4-4 over a decade, but apparently there is no way to become one of the greatest BCS schools in the nation while averaging 5-3 over a decade. Maybe it is a lack of understanding on my part of what you are trying to say, but that is a pretty thin line of separation.
I think averaging 4 wins per year in the SEC is the absolute highest stretch goal we're capable of. I highly doubt we will ever reach it. I do think we could reasonably average 3.5 though.
Also, just to point out, averaging 9-3 over a 10 year period isn't the same as going 9-3 every year. If an SEC school averages 9-3 over 10 years, they're probably going to be going to 4 or so BCS bowls with the rest spread among the 2nd tier bowls (Capital One, etc.). That's pretty damn elite.</p>
Also, just to point out, averaging 9-3 over a 10 year period isn't the same as going 9-3 every year. If an SEC school averages 9-3 over 10 years, they're probably going to be going to 4 or so BCS bowls with the rest spread among the 2nd tier bowls (Capital One, etc.). That's pretty damn elite.</p>
Lets look at Georgia:
In my opinion they have been on the cusp of being an elite team over the past 10 years. Viewed as the red headed step child of Florida. Yet they have gone to 3 BCS bowls over the past 10 years. they averaged 5.5 - 2.5 (55-25) over that timeframe. so you have to figure a 5-3 average would be a little less prestigious than that.
In my opinion they have been on the cusp of being an elite team over the past 10 years. Viewed as the red headed step child of Florida. Yet they have gone to 3 BCS bowls over the past 10 years. they averaged 5.5 - 2.5 (55-25) over that timeframe. so you have to figure a 5-3 average would be a little less prestigious than that.
The fact of the matter is we haven't had a coach as good as Jackie until Sherrill came along. But that's part of the reason why he is so "revered" at MSU- all he had to do was be better than people like Croom, Shira, and Felker. That's some lofty competition there. Heck, he went about .500 and people treat him like he's Steve Spurrier.
And even when we were winning, it always felt like we were on the verge of spinning completely out of control, which eventually did happen. For all the great wins Sherrill had, he also had his share of embarassing losses- tied Arkansas State, which I consider as bad as a loss, lost to Northeast Louisiana, La Tech, Troy- spare me the tornado excuse, they had to play in the tornado to, a very sloppy win over Troy the next year, and Tulane. Also, we were guaranteed to be blown out by at least one team every year and just look completely unprepared like we didn't even practice that week- how the hell does our 1998 team lose to LSU by 35? How does our 1997 team lose to Georgia by over 40? And in pretty much every bowl we went to under him, we came out woefully flat and looked unprepared.
Even in our great seasons under Sherrill, we often underachieved. Like in 1999. Maybe we would have been a better offense playing Dontae and Dicenzo more and Chris Rainey less and we maybe pull off wins over Bama and Arkansas. Especially since our offense was pretty much have six fat guys up front and run behind them ad nauseum. Having post-Barnhill Dontae starting over Jerious Norwood, kicking to Derek Abney over and over, and the complete and utterly piss poor QB development- guess who burned Omarr Conner's redshirt during a 2-10 seasonnso he could take a few snaps at WR? Yep.
But the worst part was the stupid crap that we would do on the field. I'm talking about the personal fouls and not knowing where to line up and the incessant penalties. Honestly, I really don't miss Jackie that much.
I'm just glad that win or lose, Dan at least puts a respectable product on and off the field regardless of who the opponent is, at least to this point.
And even when we were winning, it always felt like we were on the verge of spinning completely out of control, which eventually did happen. For all the great wins Sherrill had, he also had his share of embarassing losses- tied Arkansas State, which I consider as bad as a loss, lost to Northeast Louisiana, La Tech, Troy- spare me the tornado excuse, they had to play in the tornado to, a very sloppy win over Troy the next year, and Tulane. Also, we were guaranteed to be blown out by at least one team every year and just look completely unprepared like we didn't even practice that week- how the hell does our 1998 team lose to LSU by 35? How does our 1997 team lose to Georgia by over 40? And in pretty much every bowl we went to under him, we came out woefully flat and looked unprepared.
Even in our great seasons under Sherrill, we often underachieved. Like in 1999. Maybe we would have been a better offense playing Dontae and Dicenzo more and Chris Rainey less and we maybe pull off wins over Bama and Arkansas. Especially since our offense was pretty much have six fat guys up front and run behind them ad nauseum. Having post-Barnhill Dontae starting over Jerious Norwood, kicking to Derek Abney over and over, and the complete and utterly piss poor QB development- guess who burned Omarr Conner's redshirt during a 2-10 seasonnso he could take a few snaps at WR? Yep.
But the worst part was the stupid crap that we would do on the field. I'm talking about the personal fouls and not knowing where to line up and the incessant penalties. Honestly, I really don't miss Jackie that much.
I'm just glad that win or lose, Dan at least puts a respectable product on and off the field regardless of who the opponent is, at least to this point.
If you quoted my whole statement, then you would've seen that I also included, "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">I'm not saying that people should all of a sudden subscribe to the notion that State will be one of the greatest BCS schools in the nation for the next decade, but in the same breath I don't really see why it couldn't be possible."</span>patdog said:
<div>I don't consider myself to be the most optimistic person by saying that if this, that and such and such happens then nothing but great things will happen, but I'm realistic enough to see that the potential is a bit morevisiblethan what most give it credit for. Just because we're Mississippi State doesn't mean that we can't expect great things. I don't see the point in having a football team when people become complacent. Almost doesn't seem like there's a reason for players to suit up and fans to attend when they always expect to be and achieve at the best a decent team.</div><div>
</div><div>Granted, we may not have the pull that a Florida, LSU, Ohio State and USC may have, but that doesn't mean that we're any less capable of being able to compete for the same thing. Believe me when I say that I understand where you're coming from, but I'm just having a hard time agreeing with the sentiment that this program will always be decent at best.</div>
The last five minutes of our Peach Bowl victory were a mockery of the game of football. I like a lot of what JWS did, but I would really like to know what the heck he was thinking during those last three years. Does anybody have an explanation?
Well let me try:
1. NCAA Investigation Witchhunt
2. Mother passed away
3. Wife diagnosed with cancer
And before anyone blasts me for making excuses, I'm not. The guy asked what was on Jackie's mind. That's my guess.
1. NCAA Investigation Witchhunt
2. Mother passed away
3. Wife diagnosed with cancer
And before anyone blasts me for making excuses, I'm not. The guy asked what was on Jackie's mind. That's my guess.
Wasn't he susposed to be the coach or something?
Seriously, I don't want to rag on JWS. That's the past. But the three years mystify me, and I thought that somebody might know what the hell was going on.
Seriously, I don't want to rag on JWS. That's the past. But the three years mystify me, and I thought that somebody might know what the hell was going on.