We don’t hate John Cohen enough

[BulldawgFan]

He got us here in football. I could see an argument that Keenum did because Keenum hired Cohen.

Cohen sat on his hands when the NIL changes were rolled out. We were already going to face an uphill battle in regards to NIL money but he basically ignored it and put us years behind. Ole Miss did the opposite by facing the changes head on and now look at where they are.

Cohen hired Moorhead. Lazy hire of an unproven, fat lazy loser who didn’t fit our culture. Wasted our most talented team ever in 2018.

Cohen then hired Leach (RIP) who was not a bad hire on the surface. However, Leach would’ve retired by this point had he not passed away and we would’ve gone through the 1-2 year roster rebuild anyway.

Cohen then left for Auburn thankfully. But because of that we were without an AD when Leach passed and hired Arnett. An absolute f’ing disaster hire.

The result of all of that is the only coach the green AD could pull was Lebby. He could’ve worked out but he hasn’t and will most likely be gone by the end of 2026.

Cohen 17’d our football program but got his new baseball stadium. Now we can feed the opposing baseball teams in luxury while our football teams drag the bottom of the SEC.

FU*K YOU COHEN!

 

[ABiggerUglierJoe]

UM had practice at it and had a system set up already. They were just able to bring it into the light and do pretty much what they had done under O and Freezus while we were self-reporting players for stealing grapes at the grocery store.

 

[eckie1]

He got us here in football. I could see an argument that Keenum did because Keenum hired Cohen.

Cohen sat on his hands when the NIL changes were rolled out. We were already going to face an uphill battle in regards to NIL money but he basically ignored it and put us years behind. Ole Miss did the opposite by facing the changes head on and now look at where they are.

Cohen hired Moorhead. Lazy hire of an unproven, fat lazy loser who didn’t fit our culture. Wasted our most talented team ever in 2018.

Cohen then hired Leach (RIP) who was not a bad hire on the surface. However, Leach would’ve retired by this point had he not passed away and we would’ve gone through the 1-2 year roster rebuild anyway.

Cohen then left for Auburn thankfully. But because of that we were without an AD when Leach passed and hired Arnett. An absolute f’ing disaster hire.

The result of all of that is the only coach the green AD could pull was Lebby. He could’ve worked out but he hasn’t and will most likely be gone by the end of 2026.

Cohen 17’d our football program but got his new baseball stadium. Now we can feed the opposing baseball teams in luxury while our football teams drag the bottom of the SEC.

FU*K YOU COHEN!

I hate on that abhorrent piece of shít every chance I get. He’s literally one of the worst things to ever happen to MSU.

Keenum had 2 alumni AD bail on him. And he has destroyed much of whatever academic standing we had over the years. He won’t fire himself, but he needs to 17ing go.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Cohen’s in his 4th year at Auburn now. Give it a rest. He’s not the reason Leach died, nor the reason why we royally 17ed up the transition to Arnett, nor the reason why we replaced Arnett with Lebby.

Think about your backwards asś logic for a second….this incompetent AD who hired Moorhead and botched NIL….you’re mad he was gone and wasn’t able to spearhead what was probably the most unprecedented head coaching transition in the past 30 years in college football.

He also was still a baseball coach when the new stadium was announced and bankrolled. Blame Stricklin if you’re mad that we got an expensive new baseball stadium.

Plenty of faults that Cohen had as an AD. But we’re way past those at this point. Our real problems are much, much deeper…..and they are in-house. Not over at Auburn.

 

[BulldawgFan]

Cohen’s in his 4th year at Auburn now. Give it a rest. He’s not the reason Leach died, nor the reason why we royally 17ed up the transition to Arnett, nor the reason why we replaced Arnett with Lebby.

Think about your backwards asś logic for a second….this incompetent AD who hired Moorhead and botched NIL….you’re mad he was gone and wasn’t able to spearhead what was probably the most unprecedented head coaching transition in the past 30 years in college football.

He also was still a baseball coach when the new stadium was announced and bankrolled. Blame Stricklin if you’re mad that we got an expensive new baseball stadium.

Plenty of faults that Cohen had as an AD. But we’re way past those at this point. Our real problems are much, much deeper…..and they are in-house. Not over at Auburn.

Not planning to read that whole essay but I’d like to ask your opinion on how Cohen handled NIL.

 

[Arnept]

17 John Cohen but he has zero to do with Lebby pissing away 3 wins this year.

 

[BulldawgFan]

UM had practice at it and had a system set up already. They were just able to bring it into the light and do pretty much what they had done under O and Freezus while we were self-reporting players for stealing grapes at the grocery store.

Cohen’s fault. Rules change and a leader has to adapt. Play the whole righteous indignation card and rack up L’s. Who’s the loser at the end?

 

[BulldawgFan]

17 John Cohen but he has zero to do with Lebby pissing away 3 wins this year.

We would never have to have hired Lebby in the first place if not for Cohen.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

I despise John Cohen…. But he’s been gone for over 3 years now. Plenty of time to have fixed this more than we have.

 

[BulldawgFan]

I despise John Cohen…. But he’s been gone for over 3 years now. Plenty of time to have fixed this more than we have.

We wouldn’t have had to “fix” anything if not for Cohen.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Not planning to read that whole essay but I’d like to ask your opinion on how Cohen handled NIL.

I have no idea. It’s hard to say much there, because we were too busy winning 9 games under Leach in the year he left….regardless of how well or poorly we were doing with NIL organization.

And whether he was good or bad at it, whoever we needed to pay in 2022 are long since gone, and according to most we are now functioning at or near our ceiling as far as NIL fundraising. So it’s irrelevant to our current situation.

 

[BulldawgFan]

I have no idea. It’s hard to say much there, because we were too busy winning 9 games under Leach in the year he left….regardless of how well or poorly we were doing with NIL organization.

And whether he was good or bad at it, whoever we needed to pay in 2022 are long since gone, and according to most we are now functioning at or near our ceiling as far as NIL fundraising. So it’s irrelevant to our current situation.

Exactly. You have no idea and neither did Cohen.

Cohen banked on a gimmick coach hoping to completely overcome NIL. It won’t work apart from lucky years like 2022.

It requires an infrastructure that we were 3 years behind in setting up. Hence the reason we’ve fallen so far behind.

Ole Miss went all in on NIL from the start and it’s paying dividends now. We didn’t and we’re paying for it now.

I’m sure you’re a smart guy but it’s cognitive dissonance at best to pretend that NIL infrastructure doesn’t matter and using one good season to justify that stance is baffling.

 

[85Bears]

He got us here in football. I could see an argument that Keenum did because Keenum hired Cohen.

Cohen sat on his hands when the NIL changes were rolled out. We were already going to face an uphill battle in regards to NIL money but he basically ignored it and put us years behind. Ole Miss did the opposite by facing the changes head on and now look at where they are.

Cohen hired Moorhead. Lazy hire of an unproven, fat lazy loser who didn’t fit our culture. Wasted our most talented team ever in 2018.

Cohen then hired Leach (RIP) who was not a bad hire on the surface. However, Leach would’ve retired by this point had he not passed away and we would’ve gone through the 1-2 year roster rebuild anyway.

Cohen then left for Auburn thankfully. But because of that we were without an AD when Leach passed and hired Arnett. An absolute f’ing disaster hire.

The result of all of that is the only coach the green AD could pull was Lebby. He could’ve worked out but he hasn’t and will most likely be gone by the end of 2026.

Cohen 17’d our football program but got his new baseball stadium. Now we can feed the opposing baseball teams in luxury while our football teams drag the bottom of the SEC.

FU*K YOU COHEN!

Leach was a good hire, anyone Still trying to blame a roster rebuild in the portal era is a dumbazz. Let’s discuss who made Arnett permanent,allowed Leachs staff to be fired and let a high school coach assemble a good ol boy staff. It wasn’t Cohen

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Cohen had Joe Judge hired before Leach….

 

[BulldawgFan]

Leach was a good hire, anyone Still trying to blame a roster rebuild in the portal era is a dumbazz. Let’s discuss who made Arnett permanent,allowed Leachs staff to be fired and let a high school coach assemble a good ol boy staff. It wasn’t Cohen

Leach was a good short term hire and I respect him and what he did here. However he was not a good long term hire.

We would’ve had to have rebuilt his roster once he retired anyway. He wouldnt have stuck around more than a year or two longer than him passing anyway.

 

[BulldawgFan]

Cohen had Joe Judge hired before Leach….

And I would’ve banged the 10/10 before she left the party with someone else.

 

[85Bears]

Leach was a good short term hire and I respect him and what he did here. However he was not a good long term hire.

We would’ve had to have rebuilt his roster once he retired anyway. He wouldnt have stuck around more than a year or two longer than him passing anyway.

theres This thing called the transfer portal where teams flip their roster every year, that lame narrative has expired, nobody is buying that story anymore. The Arnett nuclear bomb followed by the Lebby disaster is why this program is where it’s at.

 

[BulldawgFan]

theres This thing called the transfer portal where teams flip their roster every year, that lame narrative has expired, nobody is buying that story anymore. The Arnett nuclear bomb followed by the Lebby disaster is why this program is where it’s at.

Flipping an entire roster takes NIL money. Which Cohen conveniently ignored.

Keep up bud, this is 2025.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Cohen bullied Keenum into giving him the AD job….. tells you all you need to know about Keenum.

 

[85Bears]

Flipping an entire roster takes NIL money. Which Cohen conveniently ignored.

Keep up bud, this is 2025.

Oh, so it’s Lack of nil money ? Well that’s hardly related to any coach. The ******** excuse is to blame Leach because he “didn’t recruit” which is ludicrous in the transfer portal era. Lack of nil is a MSU admin problem.

NIL money isn’t necessarily a fix when you make Arnett the permanent head coach and blow up the program, then double down with an incompetent Lebby hire. Neither of those blunders is on Cohens watch.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Exactly. You have no idea and neither did Cohen.

Cohen banked on a gimmick coach hoping to completely overcome NIL. It won’t work apart from lucky years like 2022.

It requires an infrastructure that we were 3 years behind in setting up. Hence the reason we’ve fallen so far behind.

Ole Miss went all in on NIL from the start and it’s paying dividends now. We didn’t and we’re paying for it now.

I’m sure you’re a smart guy but it’s cognitive dissonance at best to pretend that NIL infrastructure doesn’t matter and using one good season to justify that stance is baffling.

Sure, dude.

NIL isn’t the reason we went 1-7 this year. Not sure if you were paying attention, but we completely shítted away 3 wins due to idiotic decisions by incompetent coaches.

 

[pcdog2017]

Cohen basically erased the success and improvement seen through the Mullen years. The Leach hire was worse than Moorhead because he was always only going to be here a few years, recruited players to fit a system that no other coach going forward would ever run and burnt bridges with MS high schools.. Hence the roster problems we are still trying to work through.

 

[85Bears]

Cohen basically erased the success and improvement seen through the Mullen years. The Leach hire was worse than Moorhead because he was always only going to be here a few years, recruited players to fit a system that no other coach going forward would ever run and burnt bridges with MS high schools.. Hence the roster problems we are still trying to work through.

Yea I hated that 9-4 season, we don’t need HOF coaches, we need stalwarts like Arnett and Lebby

LMFAO

 

[BulldawgFan]

Oh, so it’s Lack of nil money ? Well that’s hardly related to any coach. The ******** excuse is to blame Leach because he “didn’t recruit” which is ludicrous in the transfer portal era. Lack of nil is a MSU admin problem.

Brother, where did I blame Leach or any coach? Or say that he didn’t recruit?

Lack of NIL is absolutely an MSU admin problem which started with Cohen sitting on his hands in 2021 and we’ve been in a hole since then.

You may want to sit the next few out, I think you’re confused.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

We wouldn’t have had to “fix” anything if not for Cohen.

Yeah but at some point you gotta start looking at the people failing at fixing it as the problem.

Nobody was still bitching about Larry Templeton being the source of any problems in 2011 because our football and baseball programs were finally getting their acts together. Because we had the right people in place to fix it.

At some point we have to stop chasing ghosts and deal with what’s in front of us.

 

[BulldawgFan]

Yeah but at some point you gotta start looking at the people failing at fixing as the problem.

Nobody was still bitching about Larry Templeton being the source of any problems in 2011 because our football and baseball programs were finally getting their acts together. Because we had the right people in place to fix it.

At some point we have to stop chasing ghosts and deal with what’s in front of us.

Nobody bitched because we upgraded after Templeton

 

[85Bears]

need A scape goat, cohen, leach.

maybe Keenum needs some scrutiny

 

[BulldawgFan]

Sure, dude.

NIL isn’t the reason we went 1-7 this year. Not sure if you were paying attention, but we completely shítted away 3 wins due to idiotic decisions by incompetent coaches.

NIL buys a competent offensive and defensive line. Neither of which we have. We would’ve won those games outright with just a couple of more players. Which we just so happened to not be able to afford.

Don’t be a moron, you have to realize that talent overcomes schemes 99% of the time in college football.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

Nobody bitched because we upgraded after Templeton

Ok, so why couldn’t we upgrade in the same way this time? I do think Selmon is better than Cohen overall but his football hire has not been better than any Cohen hire to this point.

 

[BulldawgFan]

need A scape goat, cohen, leach.

maybe Keenum needs some scrutiny

Tell me who’s your scapegoat then o wise one?

 

[Perd Hapley]

Yeah but at some point you gotta start looking at the people failing at fixing it as the problem.

Nobody was still bitching about Larry Templeton being the source of any problems in 2011 because our football and baseball programs were finally getting their acts together. Because we had the right people in place to fix it.

At some point we have to stop chasing ghosts and deal with what’s in front of us.

Nonsense. If you haven’t seen what has transpired this year, and then promptly pinned a photo of Auburn’s 4th year AD on the bullseye of your dartboard for non-stop target practice, then you are part of the problem***

 

[85Bears]

Nonsense. If you haven’t seen what has transpired this year, and then promptly pinned a photo of Auburn’s 4th year AD on the bullseye of your dartboard for non-stop target practice, then you are part of the problem***

Leach has been dead three years and the shills are still trying to scape goat him to cover for the current administrations incompetence

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

To sum up, we are less than 40 days from the year 2026 and these are the people our fans like most to blame for our current situation:

John Cohen (left MSU in early November 2022)

Joe Moorhead (fired in late December 2019)

Zach Arnett (fired in November 2023)

Mike Leach’s recruiting (Leach passed away in December 2022)

At what point do we move on from that era and start to hold the people that have been here 2023-2025 accountable for us still being in largely the same spot we were the day we hired Jeff Lebby two years ago?

 

[pcdog2017]

Yea I hated that 9-4 season, we don’t need HOF coaches, we need stalwarts like Arnett and Lebby

LMFAO

The revisionist history with Leach is amazing. The entire time he was here the fan base was ready to move on.

 

[BulldawgFan]

Leach has been dead three years and the shills are still trying to scape goat him to cover for the current administrations incompetence

To sum up, we are less than 40 days from the year 2026 and these are the people our fans like most to blame for our current situation:

John Cohen (left MSU in early November 2022)

Joe Moorhead (fired in late December 2019)

Zach Arnett (fired in November 2023)

Mike Leach’s recruiting (Leach passed away in December 2022)

At what point do we move on from that era and start to hold the people that have been here 2023-2025 accountable for us still being in largely the same spot we were the day we hired Jeff Lebby two years ago?

John Cohen isn’t entirely to blame but he set this whole **** show in motion. Hence the reason we don’t hate him enough.

To pretend otherwise is just being idiotic.

 

[BulldawgFan]

The revisionist history with Leach is amazing. The entire time he was here the fan base was ready to move on.

Because they knew he’d retire in a year or two leaving a rebuild job. Unfortunately, he passed away and the rebuild job had to happen sooner.

 

[85Bears]

The revisionist history with Leach is amazing. The entire time he was here the fan base was ready to move on.

Hindsight is 20/20 and you are arguing a point that is indefensible. leach went 9-4 and is in the HOF. We followed Leach up with naked drive through man and meat store hat. you want to blame Leach ? lol

 

[pcdog2017]

Hindsight is 20/20 and you are arguing a point that is indefensible. leach went 9-4 and is in the HOF. We followed Leach up with naked drive through man and meat store hat. you want to blame Leach ? lol

No. Go back to the header of this thread and that’s who you should blame.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Leach was a good short term hire and I respect him and what he did here. However he was not a good long term hire.

We would’ve had to have rebuilt his roster once he retired anyway. He wouldnt have stuck around more than a year or two longer than him passing anyway.

Good God. We blew two 17 point leads in the 4th against Texas because “we just needed 2 or 3 more players”? GTFO.

You are a complete clown with these takes.

 

[85Bears]

No. Go back to the header of this thread and that’s who you should blame.

I know, you’re a shill that’s trying to shift blame from the current administration