We don’t hate John Cohen enough

BulldawgFan

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Hindsight is 20/20 and you are arguing a point that is indefensible. leach went 9-4 and is in the HOF. We followed Leach up with naked drive through man and meat store hat. you want to blame Leach ? lol
Don’t make me split hairs but Leach is only in the HOF because of a rule change. He had a .596 win percentage and got in because they changed the threshold to .595 this year.

He deserved to be in the HOF but stop pretending like he was a HOF coach while he was here. He had one good season and the fallout of his unfortunate death did more harm than the good his one good season did.
 
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Good God. We blew two 17 point leads in the 4th against Texas because “we just needed 2 or 3 more players”? GTFO.

You are a complete clown with these takes.
It can be both coaching incompetence and lack of talent. Both can be true. And in our case both are true. But we will never be good without good players. Which requires NIL.
 

pcdog2017

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I know, you’re a shill that’s trying to shift blame from the current administration
I actually think Keenum has let modern athletics pass him by and needed to be gone years ago. But I don’t see how much can be said about Selmon to this point. He had to hire Leach’s replacement (Arnett is not even worth counting). And it’s pretty obvious no one wanted to follow Leach and it’s not because of that 9-4 record. Last year we didn’t even field a full roster. If it doesn’t work out next year then let’s see what happens before saying Selmon is the reason for our football issues.
 
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Sooooo…..if we didn’t upgrade after Cohen, that’s…..Cohen’s fault?
Cohen’s failure to implement NIL infrastructure is absolutely Cohen’s fault. That led to Selmon’s job being more difficult.

Fortunately for Byrne, Templeton was a moron so he didn’t face the same challenges.
 

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Point is we could’ve continued winning 7-8 games consistently after Moorhead even if Cohen hired someone other than Leach. Someone with a modern offense similar to Mullen’s. He didn’t do that.
Thank goodness someone gets it.
 

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Absolutely. There’s some bad karma that comes with that whole saga. youd Think at some point the morons would stop doubling down, lol
So you’re blaming Leach’s death on people that were critical of him and the hiring of him?

It doesn’t matter who was critical of him. He died. It was unfortunate, but he died. The outcome after his hiring would’ve been the same no matter what. Because he died.
 
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Point is we could’ve continued winning 7-8 games consistently after Moorhead even if Cohen hired someone other than Leach. Someone with a modern offense similar to Mullen’s. He didn’t do that.
Who cares? We did exactly that WITH Leach. Why does it matter if someone else might have done it?

Cohen also could have made an awful hire like Lebby or Arnett after Moorhead, and we go straight to shít 3 years sooner. I mean if we’re just pulling hypotheticals out of our asses, look at it both ways.
 
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pcdog2017

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It’s not a hypothetical to say that cohen hiring leach led to roster problems in the post-leach era. That happened. Sure, Cohen could’ve made a worse hire… and that would further prove the point that Cohen set us back.
 
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It’s not a hypothetical to say that cohen hiring leach led to roster problems in the post-leach era. That happened. Sure, Cohen could’ve made a worse hire… and that would further prove the point that Cohen set us back.
The roster problems in the post-Leach era was not a Leach problem. It was a “we can’t pay enough” problem, and a “we decided to go a completely different direction” problem.

Washington State had no trouble at all with their roster when Leach left. They went 7-5 each year in 2021 and 2022, and the 2021 year was even under two different head coaches.

The whole “Leach leaving creates a roster problem” was always a myth. We dug that “roster problem” grave all by our damn selves after Leach passed.
 
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pcdog2017

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The roster problems in the post-Leach era was not a Leach problem. It was a “we can’t pay enough” problem, and a “we decided to go a completely different direction” problem.

Washington State had no trouble at all with their roster when Leach left. They went 7-5 each year in 2021 and 2022, and the 2021 year was even under two different head coaches.

The whole “Leach leaving creates a roster problem” was always a myth. We dug that “roster problem” grave all by our damn selves after Leach passed.
Apples to oranges comparing Washington state to Mississippi state.

And if you think Leach didn’t create recruiting problems in the state of MS you don’t listen to anyone plugged in on local recruiting.
 
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Perd Hapley

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Apples to oranges comparing Washington state to Mississippi state.
It’s not. Leach went 53-43 in the regular season at Washington State, over 8 years. That averages out to 6.6-5.4 per season. Rounds up to 7-5 average, if you’re into rounding.

So, the two full years after he left, they either did as good or better as Leach’s 8-year average each season. And better than his last season both times, which was 6-6. Pretty hard to do that with a “roster problem”.

And if you think Leach didn’t create recruiting problems in the state of MS you don’t listen to anyone plugged in on local recruiting.
Oh, recruiting problems? Sorry, I thought you said ROSTER problems. Whatever recruiting problems that Leach had, he dealt with by winning with what he had.

Whatever recruiting problems we had after he died were nothing that couldn’t be overcome with what recruiting was then all about anyway - which is more money for recruits. And the money problem existed before Leach, and still exists today. Spare me the BS about him “rubbing MS high school coaches the wrong way”. Nobody that matters cares about that crap. Recruiting is simple….find the player, evaluate the player, pay the player. Thats all it is now.
 

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The point isn’t about leach. It’s about cohen.
The point isn’t about anything. There is no point. But you’re over here tying Leach into it and saying things about fictitious roster problems and recruiting problems. So that was addressed.
 

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He got us here in football. I could see an argument that Keenum did because Keenum hired Cohen.

Cohen sat on his hands when the NIL changes were rolled out. We were already going to face an uphill battle in regards to NIL money but he basically ignored it and put us years behind. Ole Miss did the opposite by facing the changes head on and now look at where they are.

Cohen hired Moorhead. Lazy hire of an unproven, fat lazy loser who didn’t fit our culture. Wasted our most talented team ever in 2018.

Cohen then hired Leach (RIP) who was not a bad hire on the surface. However, Leach would’ve retired by this point had he not passed away and we would’ve gone through the 1-2 year roster rebuild anyway.

Cohen then left for Auburn thankfully. But because of that we were without an AD when Leach passed and hired Arnett. An absolute f’ing disaster hire.

The result of all of that is the only coach the green AD could pull was Lebby. He could’ve worked out but he hasn’t and will most likely be gone by the end of 2026.

Cohen 17’d our football program but got his new baseball stadium. Now we can feed the opposing baseball teams in luxury while our football teams drag the bottom of the SEC.

FU*K YOU COHEN!
Yeah, he even feels more like a traitor than Strick or Byrne. I would have respected him more had he just stayed as our baseball coach.
 

leeinator

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Blame Stricklin if you’re mad that we got an expensive new baseball stadium.
I'm very happy we got the expensive new baseball stadium and coach. Of course, that's just me. I'm a MSU baseball fan first and foremost than anything else. Football and basketball are just ok to me.