We won in basketball...

[dawgstudent]

and in the end, that's all that really matters BUT Hubert Davis I think laid out the frustration of every person that questions a Stansbury coached team. It's so damn frustrating to watch our offense.

As people have alluded to already, we aren't going to shoot 60% every game. It will be interesting to see how we play in the SEC. I have no reason to question how we will do if the past is any indication but it's logical to question by watching State play.

 

[dawgstudent]

and in the end, that's all that really matters BUT Hubert Davis I think laid out the frustration of every person that questions a Stansbury coached team. It's so damn frustrating to watch our offense.

As people have alluded to already, we aren't going to shoot 60% every game. It will be interesting to see how we play in the SEC. I have no reason to question how we will do if the past is any indication but it's logical to question by watching State play.

 

[dawgstudent]

and in the end, that's all that really matters BUT Hubert Davis I think laid out the frustration of every person that questions a Stansbury coached team. It's so damn frustrating to watch our offense.

As people have alluded to already, we aren't going to shoot 60% every game. It will be interesting to see how we play in the SEC. I have no reason to question how we will do if the past is any indication but it's logical to question by watching State play.

 

[birdZdawg]

especially when we play a team that uses so much motion on offense.

 

[coach66]

and he simply isn't doing it. There is not a better offense than a point guard that can break down a defense and Bost is capable but he isn't doing it for whatever reason. I agree with one of the earlier posters that Osby needs more minutes.

 

[mstatefan88]

If we shoot average last night, or Barry played like he usually does, we lose that game. We are taking too many contested 3 pointers, and when we don't work it in to Jarvis, that's what's gonna happen every time. If we have an off shooting night in SEC play, we could lose to any of the other teams, except maybe Georgia. We've got to get Jarvis more active in the post so he can pass back out for a more open 3.

 

[mstatefan88]

nm

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

to compliment Jarvis, we would be a lot harder to defend. There will be multiple games where the shots are not falling. Augustus is 6-8 and never goes to the hole unless he gets the rebound at the other timeline and drives all the way into traffic. I don't mind us shooting a lot of 3's but some of them are ridiculous at times. Also, if everyone on the team has the green light and shoots questionable 3's, Benock better not pass semi-open opportunities. If he's gonna play, he needs to shoot and not think about it and pass the ball. Otherwise, he's taking minutes from Turner and Osby. Osby needs more minutes and doesn't need to go iso like Jordan vs Byron Russell because he loses the ball every time.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

A voice of reason in a wilderness of idiocy......thanks DS.

One problem with our offense in my eyes anyway, is that when last night's offense doesn't work, we don't have an effective plan B. Against Rider for about two trips we went with a little high-low action (Kodi high, JV low) but I don't know that I've seen it again. Some of our guys are afraid to feed the post, Benock being a notable exception. He always seems to look down there when he is guarded on the wing. Most of the criticisms though, are valid. We don't move and screen as much as we should. The zone offense....well, you know. Shooting like we have the last four games can cover that up, but like Hubert said, that's not going to happen every night. As a State fan, I guess that's what I will have to hope for though, because our plan A makes us hard to beat, but our plan B makes it hard for us to win.

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

That's the reason why the game was close. We hit a lot of 3's, but that's normal for us. They hit more than we did. MSU was clearly the better team and any time we needed a bail out, we went to Jarvis and got a basket.

 

[cowbell9]

WS is a good team. We are 7-2. Anyone can sit behind a computer and trash our coaching. We won. Enjoy it.

 

[jcdawgman18]

You do realize that means that 6 or 7 guys are all going to have to have an off night on the same night? Our 3 point shooters include:
Barry
Ravern
Kodi
Dee
Phil
Romero
Riley

That's a lot of options. I seriously doubt there will be a night when all of them are cold.

BUT, even if they do, you don't think we'll adjust (I know you're all screaming yes, but I think you're wrong)? First of all, we're pretty doggone good on D, and that can lead to fastbreak points, especially as fast as our entire team is. Romero can drive and finish in the lane, Kodi can post up, and Dee can start taking it to the rack. Jarvis is Jarvis, he's gonna give us at least 15 a night. I think the reason you haven't seen a ton of these things yet is that we haven't had to. Like we talked about last week, if the threes are falling, why would you do anything else? The three pointer is the most efficient shot in basketball when you hit them like we do.

On a serious sidenote, some of you can't enjoy basketball season with how nit-picky you are. That's actually pretty sad. I love basketball. It's something we win at consistently. I enjoy each of those wins. I'm not so sure some of you can say that.

 

[dawgstudent]

we shot well. This could be the makeup of the team but it scares me to have to rely on 50% 3 pt shooting to be successful.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

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[dawgstudent]

**

 

[gtowndawg]

it was like watching a game of pick up basketball at my church. People just fire it up from 3 land the entire game.

 

[Bdog9090]

but we are 8-2.

 

[cowbell9]

...and my MOm can kick your large ***.

 

[jackobee]

We did what we needed to do to win. And we did win! Pretty sure if hadn't been working we'd have tried something else. Sometimes I think we as a fan base cannot handle success. We are always waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Yes we had a really bad game against Rider, but perhaps, just perhaps, Stans has been able to address those problems and move on. What I have seen for the past 5 games is a good team - not a perfect team - but a good team.

 

[gdogg]

they shot their eyes out.

 

[dawgstudent]

Great strategery.

 

[Johnson85]

On a serious sidenote, some of you can't enjoy basketball season with how nit-picky you are. That's actually pretty sad. I love basketball. It's something we win at consistently. I enjoy each of those wins. I'm not so sure some of you can say that.

watching teams that are reasonably successful but ultimately underachieving, MSU basketball is not for you. If you're not ready to roll the dice with somebody unproven in the hopes that they will be as successful as Stans (I'm thinking a <<50% chance, although Byrne making the hire does make me a little more confident), you have to view our coaching limitations as part of the team makeup just like a lack of talent and adjust expectations accordingly. I hate to accept that our program has plateaued (sp?), but I think there's a better chance of making a run in the tournament with good talent and spotty coaching (see John Brady & LSU or Gottfried's elite eight team) than mediocre talent with good coaching, and there's a good chance that's what we'd get if we replaced Stansbury. Also, if you make the tourney consistently, sooner or later you'll have a team get how, and I'm not sure if an SEC team with mediocre talent but good coaching is going to get into the dance consistently (Ole Miss hasn't).

ETA coherency I hope

 

[cowbell9]

nm

 

[seshomoru]

17 it. Let 'em fly.

I'm skeptical about what we'll do if we aren't draining our threes, but I'm not so concerned that I think we'll have major problems in conference play. Until it stops working, though... fill it up, bitches.

 

[Jackdragbean]

I enjoyed the game. We did pretty much whatever the hell we wanted. We made the outside shots consistantly and when we wanted to go inside, we did. Wright State shot the 3 ball really good too, which is why they've been winning games, along with their stingy defense. We scored 80 on that stingy defense. Ask our last few opponents what they think of our offense. The word "sucks" won't come to mind. I think some of you are looking for something to ***** about.

 

[hullabaloodog]

I am thrilled that we won, but our offense is difficult to watch. There is absolutely zero movement off the ball. We have one guy dribbling, JV trying to post up, and the rest standing around. I have had my complaints about Stansburys offense before, but this season is probably the worst I can remember. Thankfully, we have the shooters that can overcome the lack of movement.

 

[Curly Bill]

Seriously, this board is stricken with some dumb mother $%@*!@+ during basketball season. The level of success Stansbury has achieved in an MSU sports program is unparalleled, not seen since baseball of the early 90's. We are a consistent contender and win games, it's not debatable. WTF, I wish ya'll would all go jump in the friggin' Tenn Tom and chill your asses out.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

We don't have a great plan behind that first option.

 

[Johnson85]

Seriously, this board is stricken with some dumb mother $%@*!@+ during basketball season. The level of success Stansbury has achieved in an MSU sports program is unparalleled, not seen since baseball of the early 90's. We are a consistent contender and win games, it's not debatable. WTF, I wish ya'll would all go jump in the friggin' Tenn Tom and chill your asses out.

the LT'esque attitude of mediocrity being the end game and all that we can ever expect. I think it would be stupid to get rid of stansbury thinking we could do better (unless you're of the opinion that once you're not a top 20 program there's no difference between 21 and 201), but it is nice for people to expect more than mediocrity. And I think it's right to expect Stansbury to consistently look for asst coaches that are strong where he is weak. Until he has one that really brings some x's and o's to the table, he shouldn't get comfortable with a set of assistants.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

You can't just sit back and say "well he's winning just leave him alone". DS and D@A make concerns about what Plan B is in our offense.

I love watching the motion offense. All that means is everyone run around and jack up a 3.

 

[ckDOG]

1) I'd like to see us be more aggressive in the paint as much as anybody on here. Augustus/Osby/Lewis have the bodies to work inside - we shouldn't waste that.

2) Our guards and small forwards can't penetrate because Phil, Barry, and Ravern weigh about 160. We've done a terrible job at putting weight on them and/or recruiting physical players. Bost is the only guard we have that can consistently drive the lane. This is going to hurt us during SEC play when our opponents have the athletes to pressure our guards.

3) Benock sucks.

4) Despite the complaints about jacking up 3's, I'm not going to ***** until we start shooting heavily contested 3's. We have been moving the ball around well enough to have plenty of WIDE OPEN three point attempts. We also have plenty of very solid 3 pt shooters. If they are open, take it. Defenses have been sagging down to handle Varnado. Passing up open 3 pt shots and forcing the ball to an already congested lane makes zero sense. I think many people are unfairly categorizing this as lazy play when in reality it's taking advantage of what the opponent gives us - which is what we should be doing. Once opponents start focusing on eliminating our perimeter presence and we don't make adjustments to get ball inside, then I'll have a problem.

5) There appears to be very little vocal leadership on the team. Varnardo gives a mean look every now and again and maybe a chest pound, but these guys never look as if they talk to one another on the court. I'm sick of seeing Barry and his sad face all damn game. When we hit in-game slumps, these guys need to get on each other's asses to fix things during the game vs having a 5+ minute drought and a 15pt lead evaporate.

 

[awalkerdog]

Shooting three's in basketball = spread offense in football. It's more exciting and you score more points. Who wants to see a bunch of two pointers off the glass all night long? Our defense on the perimeter ,on the other hand, needs some work.</p>

 

[bullysleftnut]

We've had one bad offensive game this season. One. Which led to a 1 point loss to Richmond.

All you folks bitching about our offense don't seem to realize that we're averaging 76.2 points a game. OFFENSE IS NOT A PROBLEM.

What is going to hurt this team is defense. You know, like the 88 points we gave up to Rider, or the 14 3's we gave up last night.

Y'all ***** about not going inside, except Varnado had the second highest point total (17) and the second highest number of attempted shots (6) last night.
Oh, and he's also tied for first as the leading scorer this season at 14.3 points a game.

Are we going to shoot 50% from 3-pt range every night? No. But that isn't what is going to hurt the team -- it's going to be lack of Defense. Fortunately that's mostly effort and one thing about Stansbury coached teams that you CAN say with authority is that they ALWAYS get better as the year goes on.

ETA: I also agree that I'd like to see more penetration from our guards and forwards. I don't *like* relying on 3 pointers but we have scorers that can make those shots. If they're open, take them.

 

[fishwater99]

Last night was the perfect chance to work on our inside game and we didn't. All we did is dribble down the court and jack up the first 3 pointer we got. We had a height advantage vs Wright State and did not capitalize on it. We should have posted JV, Kodi, Osby, & Turner more. This team lacks a play-maker, we have 3 point shooters and SWAT. Stans needs to work on getting our other post players involved in the offense. Bost needs to penetrate and either take it to the goal or pass it off for a layup or an open outside shot. Time will tell, but it is looking like Stans is in Love with the 3 pointer again this year.

 

[jcdawgman18]

It was not horrible like some of you seem to think. They hit a bunch of shots from behind screens, really double screens. They would set an initial screen and as our guard would get off of it a second screener would step in and the shot would go up.
Wright State made their shots and that is the only reason this game was close (that and the fact that we shut it down with 6 and half minutes left. After Dee came up limping, you could tell we just wanted to get the heck out of there). If they tried to do anything other than fire it up from three, it ended in a steal or a block most times.

 

[BriantheDawg]

Some people on sixpackspeak.com just can't handle us winning in basketball and they will come up with whatever stupid *** excuse they can come up with to denigrate a Rick Stansbury coached team. If we win, we should have won by more. If we make 40 3-pointers, we should be driving to the basket. If we only give up 40 points, we should have only given up 20. If we win the SEC, the SEC obviously just sucked that year. If Kodi gets 30 minutes and scores 5 points, he should have been in the whole game. If Barry's shots aren't falling, there's simply no way for us to adjust and still win the game. I could go on and on and on. Do you get it now?

 

[Dawgbreeze]

I played for one of the best coaches ever in Mississippi, Bert Jenkins and we won a couple of championships. He always adapted to what his players could do and we have fools on here who try to put a square peg into a round hole. One thing I do agree with, defense wins games and we are playing pretty good defense right now even though Kodi and Ravern at times don't. All I can say is the proof is in the pudding and Stansbury has done a hell of a job at MSU and if we run him off and find a so-called x and o coach, I doubt we'll see the talent Stans brings in. This team si playing lots better than it did earlier in the year and everyone is bittching because of Rider and Richmond. we blew the game at Richmond because Dee played poorly in the last minute and I have no idea why we played so poorly against Rider but it sure seems we've changed since then. All I know is I'd take 45% from 3 point range any day as opposed to 50 % from 2 point range because if we shoot enough of them, we will have more points and it doesn't take a math major to figure that out.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

There's your reason why the game was relatively close. Why this alludes so many is mind blowing.

 

[The Fatboy]

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[IBleedMaroonDawg]

There's your reason why the game was relatively close. Why this alludes so many is mind blowing.

Yep, and the "what if we don't shoot 50%" talk is funny as well. What if we don't? Maybe, we just might do something else WHEN that happens?

Good God...bitching about how you WON a game is just about the same as bitching about getting a blowjob!