We would have beaten Texas and Vandy at home. That is all**
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End of the year, Vandy beats you. And as for Texas,....
tell your AD and coach to come up w/ an ooc schedule that has a pulse so you can find out and not have to make baseless claims.
tell your AD and coach to come up w/ an ooc schedule that has a pulse so you can find out and not have to make baseless claims.
I am responding to a post on NAFOOM where a poster said the only difference between State and OM is the Vandy and Texas games. On the road, I am not sure we would have beaten Vandy but at home, I think we beat them.
I'll just enjoy the 4 easy OOC games and a 9 win season. Thanks.
I'll just enjoy the 4 easy OOC games and a 9 win season. Thanks.
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Do Ole Miss fans just chose to forget your back to back cotton bowl years?? 2008: Memphis, Wake Forest, Samford, and ULM 2009: Memphis, SEL, UAB, and N. Arizona. You people have zero room to criticize us for a weak schedule.
No thanks. We tried that "playing the best OOC schedule" **** for the past 10 years. We'll just take the Johnny Vaught route- scheduling cupcakes makes the natives happy.
No, we would beat Vandy in Starkville...
I have no doubt. The only reason you didn't beat them is that your team routinely runs out of gas in the second half and Hugh Freeze seems to go braindead in late game decision making.In fact, speaking of that from this past weekend, how do you make the stupid decision to run a pass play when you sit just inside decent FG range against LSU at 3rd and 23 with around 3 minutes left. Taking a sack there moving back from the 29 to the 36 (where a long FG miss gave LSU great field position) instead of running for a few extra yards toward the middle of the field to set up the makeable go ahead FG is beyond puzzling. That's right up there with running out of the shotgun for 4th and an inch against TA&M.
not to mention they got Cotton Bowls in a weak SEC...4-4 in the SEC got them a Cotton Bowl back then- now it doesnt even get you close
The difference
is that Ole Miss had numerous quality SEC wins in both 2008 and 2009.
Here are the SEC records of the teams MSU has beaten this year: UT 0-7, UK 0-7, Auburn 0-7, Arkansas 2-5 with wins against UK and Auburn. 0-24 in games not involving one another is pretty incredible, with that looking likely to be 0-26 after next weekend (Bama/Aub; LSU/Ark).
is that Ole Miss had numerous quality SEC wins in both 2008 and 2009.
Here are the SEC records of the teams MSU has beaten this year: UT 0-7, UK 0-7, Auburn 0-7, Arkansas 2-5 with wins against UK and Auburn. 0-24 in games not involving one another is pretty incredible, with that looking likely to be 0-26 after next weekend (Bama/Aub; LSU/Ark).
Wake Forest won 8 games and play in a BCS conference.
They were better than any team you have beaten this year. The rest, not so much. But Wake was not even close to being a pushover that year.
They were better than any team you have beaten this year. The rest, not so much. But Wake was not even close to being a pushover that year.
Ironically enough, beating you this week won't help us in that regard as your only SEC wins are against Aub & Ark. We don't schedule the conference games. We just play them.
The SEC sched is what it is... None of us can change that year in and year out. Thats why I didnt bring up that yall beat a happless State or Vandy team to help pad your record. Auburn/Tenn/UK/Ark this year for us. Both of us HAVE to play those games. It cant be helped that those teams come out and **** the bed.
So now
that y'all realize that OM's OOC schedule in those years sucked, too, y'all are flipping the argument now to "Y'all haven't beaten anyone in the SECz!!1" Y'all are ridiculous. Y'all ***** non-stop about MSU (trying to put us down about everything and anything we do), and then when we prove that y'all are being hypocrites and/or wrong, y'all change the argument to something different for the time (until that new argument is proven to be hypocritical).
that y'all realize that OM's OOC schedule in those years sucked, too, y'all are flipping the argument now to "Y'all haven't beaten anyone in the SECz!!1" Y'all are ridiculous. Y'all ***** non-stop about MSU (trying to put us down about everything and anything we do), and then when we prove that y'all are being hypocrites and/or wrong, y'all change the argument to something different for the time (until that new argument is proven to be hypocritical).
They sort of have us there......
They did beat the eventual National Champs in 2008. That schedule wasn't one you can really use against them. Wake Forest wasn't a body bag, like he said. They went 7-5, so did LSU.
In 2009 your argument applies. They were about like us in 2010, in 2009. Easy schedule and beat some middle row bowl SEC teams in Tennessee, Arkansas and LSU, just like we beat Florida, Georgia and Kentucky. We were actually better in 2010 than they were in 2009 honestly.
Regarding us this year, we played the easy OOC schedule, but no, we can't help who we plan in conference. We beat who we're supposed to beat.
They did beat the eventual National Champs in 2008. That schedule wasn't one you can really use against them. Wake Forest wasn't a body bag, like he said. They went 7-5, so did LSU.
In 2009 your argument applies. They were about like us in 2010, in 2009. Easy schedule and beat some middle row bowl SEC teams in Tennessee, Arkansas and LSU, just like we beat Florida, Georgia and Kentucky. We were actually better in 2010 than they were in 2009 honestly.
Regarding us this year, we played the easy OOC schedule, but no, we can't help who we plan in conference. We beat who we're supposed to beat.
I agree completely
I just think that's why MSU has caught some flack for an 'easy schedule' while Ole Miss didn't in '08/'09.
Assuming you guys win this weekend, you'd have a 5-3 SEC record and the 5 teams you beat would have a combined conference record of 5-35. Would I take that and a Gator Bowl rather than sitting at home? Absolutely. As you correctly said, you don't make your own conference schedule, you just play the games as they fall.
You have a pretty good team this year and probably a better team than Ole Miss (although the SEC-only offensive and defensive stats are very close, even more so if you adjust for the UGA/UK and Vandy/UT disparity), but we would pretty clearly be your best win of the season should you beat us and you guys haven't really been competitive against any of the really good teams you've played (somewhat against LSU). So I think that's what leads to the dissonant viewpoints here relative to the way the pollsters or the rest of the conference see you (Stallion, for example). And I think that's what is different about the way people viewed the '08/'09 Ole Miss teams relative to this MSU team.
At any rate, I'm just hoping for a competitive egg bowl for the first time since '07.
I just think that's why MSU has caught some flack for an 'easy schedule' while Ole Miss didn't in '08/'09.
Assuming you guys win this weekend, you'd have a 5-3 SEC record and the 5 teams you beat would have a combined conference record of 5-35. Would I take that and a Gator Bowl rather than sitting at home? Absolutely. As you correctly said, you don't make your own conference schedule, you just play the games as they fall.
You have a pretty good team this year and probably a better team than Ole Miss (although the SEC-only offensive and defensive stats are very close, even more so if you adjust for the UGA/UK and Vandy/UT disparity), but we would pretty clearly be your best win of the season should you beat us and you guys haven't really been competitive against any of the really good teams you've played (somewhat against LSU). So I think that's what leads to the dissonant viewpoints here relative to the way the pollsters or the rest of the conference see you (Stallion, for example). And I think that's what is different about the way people viewed the '08/'09 Ole Miss teams relative to this MSU team.
At any rate, I'm just hoping for a competitive egg bowl for the first time since '07.
It's nice to be Mississippi State and the envy of the D1 programs in the State of Mississippi. We don't have to say that 50 years later we still refuse to let it go. It's bred into the family and it's very evident that it will continue for years on that campus.
Ole Miss beat eventual champ Florida and 11-2 Texas Tech....
...that's why you got respect back then. And it was earned.
Mullen is building the program slowly, and I like it. But until he beats a team that is good at the time and still good at the end (ie highly ranked), we will continue to be irrelevant nationally. And that's fine by me for now. We are slowly building towards consistent winning, something that's never been done in Starkville.
...that's why you got respect back then. And it was earned.
Mullen is building the program slowly, and I like it. But until he beats a team that is good at the time and still good at the end (ie highly ranked), we will continue to be irrelevant nationally. And that's fine by me for now. We are slowly building towards consistent winning, something that's never been done in Starkville.
I don't know
who you are referencing when you say y'all. I've never said anything along the lines of 'we played a great nonconference schedule in 2008' or anything of the sort; I'm sure some idiot did somewhere on Sprivals, but you are replying to me. Ole Miss' 2008 nonconf schedule was, objectively, more difficult than MSU's nonconf schedule this year, but I really don't think anyone ever wins a tallest midget argument which this clearly is. Everyone expects nonconf schedules to be easy. And for Ole Miss and MSU, neither should ever schedule a top 25 nonconf opponent in my opinion. Unless one of us finds our Beamer/Snyder and becomes a perennial top 25 power.
The gist of the original argument was that MSU was getting no respect, attributable to its weak nonconference schedule, while Ole Miss did garner outside respect in similar circumstances during '08/'09. All I said was that I believe the bigger reason is actually because of the low quality of MSU's conference wins this year relative to the conference wins of the '08/'09 Ole Miss teams. Not sure how that's hypocritical...
Anyway, here's hoping for a good game this weekend. Cheers.
who you are referencing when you say y'all. I've never said anything along the lines of 'we played a great nonconference schedule in 2008' or anything of the sort; I'm sure some idiot did somewhere on Sprivals, but you are replying to me. Ole Miss' 2008 nonconf schedule was, objectively, more difficult than MSU's nonconf schedule this year, but I really don't think anyone ever wins a tallest midget argument which this clearly is. Everyone expects nonconf schedules to be easy. And for Ole Miss and MSU, neither should ever schedule a top 25 nonconf opponent in my opinion. Unless one of us finds our Beamer/Snyder and becomes a perennial top 25 power.
The gist of the original argument was that MSU was getting no respect, attributable to its weak nonconference schedule, while Ole Miss did garner outside respect in similar circumstances during '08/'09. All I said was that I believe the bigger reason is actually because of the low quality of MSU's conference wins this year relative to the conference wins of the '08/'09 Ole Miss teams. Not sure how that's hypocritical...
Anyway, here's hoping for a good game this weekend. Cheers.
So, and the 3 teams we lost to are all BCS Top 10 teams...
and I'm not sure that by the time we got around to playing TA&M they weren't the BEST team in the SEC. At this moment in time, on a neutral field, I think I would take them over anybody else in the league. So you can denigrate our wins all you want but the games we lost were to teams who only lost to each other or Florida.
Don't know about Texas, but Vandy definitely...
...May have beaten Texas after Oklahoma robbed them of their will to live. Before they got sodomized by OU, Texas was playing with confidence; I doubt we would have beaten them. Vandy? I'm 100% certain we would beat Vandy. Nobody outside of Rebel-Bear fan & Mr. Hear Ye Hear Ye thinks Vandy would have a chance against MSU.
...May have beaten Texas after Oklahoma robbed them of their will to live. Before they got sodomized by OU, Texas was playing with confidence; I doubt we would have beaten them. Vandy? I'm 100% certain we would beat Vandy. Nobody outside of Rebel-Bear fan & Mr. Hear Ye Hear Ye thinks Vandy would have a chance against MSU.
Technically, would Ole Miss be our best win?
It's either them at 5-7 or Tennessee at 5-7. Ole Miss wins are over Arkansas and Auburn while Tennessee's lone win is over presumably Kentucky then N.C. State, who is actually headed to a bowl in the weak ACC. You may make an argument for MTSU, they have won 7 games haha. Arkansas is likely 4-8, and truth be known I could see Kentucky beating Tennessee, I actually hope that happens, might as well kick them when they're down, they're getting a new coach anyway.
So, yes, Ole Miss would be our best win.
It's either them at 5-7 or Tennessee at 5-7. Ole Miss wins are over Arkansas and Auburn while Tennessee's lone win is over presumably Kentucky then N.C. State, who is actually headed to a bowl in the weak ACC. You may make an argument for MTSU, they have won 7 games haha. Arkansas is likely 4-8, and truth be known I could see Kentucky beating Tennessee, I actually hope that happens, might as well kick them when they're down, they're getting a new coach anyway.
So, yes, Ole Miss would be our best win.
That says more about the SEC being down (more polarized) than it does about us or Ole Miss. Ole Miss is improved, but even improved they are a mediocre team. Only the most ardent of the kool-aid free-basers over on the Spirit would argue otherwise. But just look around the conference. We've got six legitimately good teams (UF, UGA, USCe, LSU, Bama, & A&M), 2 mid-level teams (Vandy & State), and 6 struggling teams (Ole Miss, UK, UT, Arkansas, Auburn, & Mizzou). The middle is pretty sparse, whereas in seasons' past it's been stronger. Fortunately for State, we get to play five of those struggling teams. Nothing wrong with that, if you win them all. So far we have and I'm hopeful that continues Saturday. It's tough to get a "good win" when your only chances are against Top 10 teams.