Fair enough. But anybody who thinks Stansbury's last two years made this job toxic (some of whom were touting the attractiveness of the job in the last month or two) either is begging for attention or just doesn't get it. Or both.DawgatAuburn said:
Well Coach.........
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You could tell some of these clowns on here that the sky was blue and they'd construct a 17 page thread trying to disprove the actual color of the sky.
The current state of our program is our own doing by allowing mediocrity to continue for such a long time. End of story. It ended up snowballing into what we call the 2011-2012 season.A year after our team got into a fight with itself on national television, in the 17ing stands of a preseason tourney.
Our program is one big pile of **** at the moment and we need someone to hit the flush lever.
This is our own fault for not speaking up to the AD before this year. This will take a few years to rid the bad and right the ship.
The current state of our program is our own doing by allowing mediocrity to continue for such a long time. End of story. It ended up snowballing into what we call the 2011-2012 season.A year after our team got into a fight with itself on national television, in the 17ing stands of a preseason tourney.
Our program is one big pile of **** at the moment and we need someone to hit the flush lever.
This is our own fault for not speaking up to the AD before this year. This will take a few years to rid the bad and right the ship.
Certainly no less than one year removed. I don't think we could have fired Rick after that. I know I wouldn't, and I would have criticized our AD for doing so.
I think that everyone agrees that there had to be a change. What would have been worse- an assistant or a non-sexy hire or another year of Stansbury? At least with someone else we have a better chance of starting to go in the right direction.
Also, it's a lot harder to replace a guy like Stansbury than a guy like Croom who told the MSU fanbase that he didn't care what they thought and lost to Ole Miss 45-0 and we have a football team that is in the best conference in America.
As it is, we should let this play out and see what happens. If Scott makes a crap hire, then we can criticize.
I think that everyone agrees that there had to be a change. What would have been worse- an assistant or a non-sexy hire or another year of Stansbury? At least with someone else we have a better chance of starting to go in the right direction.
Also, it's a lot harder to replace a guy like Stansbury than a guy like Croom who told the MSU fanbase that he didn't care what they thought and lost to Ole Miss 45-0 and we have a football team that is in the best conference in America.
As it is, we should let this play out and see what happens. If Scott makes a crap hire, then we can criticize.
Fights in the stands, half *** efforts in must win games, all american who never loses weight and still can't get up and down the court come on all falls back on a head coach. Listening to sports writers talk about the program made our University look like a joke. Id rather go through some serious growing pains then be embarrassed by the current state of our basketball program. Sure Stans did great things but so did Jackie but some times you have to move on. And really when was the last time Stans took a team to the NCAA tourny with out winning the conference tourny? Jamont Gordon and Charles Rhodes Sr. year? Ya thats acceptable...........
I don't guess there has to be only one reason why things are unfolding the way they are. I think both of those things and more could be playing into it. Everyone wants to be "right" as to why things are happening, but each of the people we have supposedly talked to may have entirely different sets reasons for losing interest in the job. One may mostly see it as a dead end with a little bit of toxicity and a dash of getting fired for winning 20 games, but another may have a totally different recipe. It's doubtful that everyone who is out is out for the same reason.
Are you actually happy that coaches aren't beating down our door just to prove Coach and others may have been wrong about the attractiveness of our program? Wtf is wrong with you?
This seems pretty obvious to me. Many on here say we could never do better than Stansbury, but they don't realize that Stansbury is the one that created our current situation. Now, after almost 15 years as our head coach, we will be no better off with our next hire than when we hired Stansbury.
If he was so damn good here, why aren'thead coacheslike Prohm, Bryce Drew, or Gregg Marshall leaving mid major college programsto come to one of the Top 4 programs in the SEC for a gigantic pay raise and more money at their disposal? Too much baggage andplayers jumping ship during Stans tenureis killing our image, and Stansbury has to be held largely responsible for that. We can say Stansbury helped us become a top tier SEC team, but in the grand scheme of things, how much does that really mean when we can't even find a decentmid major head coachto come take his spot?
If he was so damn good here, why aren'thead coacheslike Prohm, Bryce Drew, or Gregg Marshall leaving mid major college programsto come to one of the Top 4 programs in the SEC for a gigantic pay raise and more money at their disposal? Too much baggage andplayers jumping ship during Stans tenureis killing our image, and Stansbury has to be held largely responsible for that. We can say Stansbury helped us become a top tier SEC team, but in the grand scheme of things, how much does that really mean when we can't even find a decentmid major head coachto come take his spot?
For one in football we are the SEC. Hell there are 100's of coaches who would take any head football coaching job in the SEC. After all there are only about 130 or schools that play Div I A football but in Basketball they are not broken down into divisions. There are over 300 schools playing on this level and there are just too many school with better winning traditions then Miss State. Too many opportunities out there now and in the near future. I don't blame them. Stay where I am and win in my mid level conference and wait for a ACC or Big East Job to come open. Face it, football is king in the SEC thenfollowed bybaseball except at KY. Just my opinion.
Marshall makes 1.5 mil right now.
Also, coach is making stuff up because he need interaction and validation in his life. He's admitted many times he doesn't know anything and just likes to argue.
Also, coach is making stuff up because he need interaction and validation in his life. He's admitted many times he doesn't know anything and just likes to argue.
Scott Stricklin to do his job than I have in you insights. Do you know if Drew was even offered? Do you know if anyone has been offered? Do you know anything and, if you do, should you put it on a message board? If you actually have "sources", they should keep their mouths shut if they care about MSU.
BillBraskyDOG said:
I've admitted to stirring the pot- but that is only to rile up people that thought Stansbury was Coach K South...I'm not making up a damn thing- you dont have to in this cluster-17
And you got a link on Marshall's 1.5? Because it was 900K last season
CadaverDawg said:
Nutt was only 'two years' removed from TWO COTTON BOWLS. Then, a five alarm 'dumpster' fire erupted.
Don't care 'how' much you don't like it and you can dice it any way you want, BUT it is getting to be the SAME as Cutcliffe ... when you look at it from a neutral point of view.
Please, how is it different?
It was in USA Today coach, and unless USA Today makes things up to get people to talk to them on the internet like you do, I tend to believe it.
going in a new direction to some of you. I don't care if he won 30 games if we don't make the tournament.
And I highly doubt a coach would shy away from a job because we expect to make the tournament more than 2 times out of 7 seasons.
And I highly doubt a coach would shy away from a job because we expect to make the tournament more than 2 times out of 7 seasons.
USC football: SEC title gamea couple years ago and pretty solid foundation set over the last few years
USC baseball: New stadium, 2 CWS titles, sustained success over the short term
USC basketball: didnt have the right coach, in a good area of the country to pull good talent (other programs success help in recruiting)
MSU football: back to back bowl seasons..so there is movemetn in the right direction
MSU baseball: Super regional last year....but nothing sustained over a period of tiime yet
MSU basketball: dumpster fire over the last several years</p>
USC baseball: New stadium, 2 CWS titles, sustained success over the short term
USC basketball: didnt have the right coach, in a good area of the country to pull good talent (other programs success help in recruiting)
MSU football: back to back bowl seasons..so there is movemetn in the right direction
MSU baseball: Super regional last year....but nothing sustained over a period of tiime yet
MSU basketball: dumpster fire over the last several years</p>
Let's be honest, a coach will probably be expected to make the tourney once in his first 4 years. After that, he should make it at least 1/2 the time. That's too high of expectations?
And we're left with **** as far as talent. We managed to make pretty good hires in the other two sports in that same situation.
So overnight you have come to this realization? Did you and all these coaches talk over a beer last night?
and what they are perceived to be, may not be the same. Even if Strick lays down what his expectations are, there still may be the perception that "I cannot please this fanbase."
this is more of a Sherrill to Croom transition than a Croom to Mullen. we are in that bad of shape.
Wait a minute hoss. You are saying the same fanbase that spouted off about SEC West banners, Tourney championships, best in the West, and "right behind Florida and Kentucky..." as justification to keep Bury now have too high of expectations because we want appearances in the NCAAs? Forgive me, but I don't want a coach if he's too much of a ***** to not expect that of his own program.
We could have hired a better coach but LT caved to the SEC and 17'd that up. Not to mention our football team was on probation.
He is why we are in this situation. If we had gotten rid of him when we should have, none of this would have happened. Stricklin waited too late, just like the Stansbury haters said he would. This is all Rick, Scott, and the boosters' faults. This could have all been handled so much easier and better and sooner but hey, "Rick won games." Blah Blah 17in Blah. It feels good to know that I was right all along. It also sucks cuz we have a dumpster fire program, but we've had that for a couple years anyway.
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Is that other coaches look at what Stans did here and see it as maxing out the potential of what this school should do over the long term. And then see that he got pushed out.
So we will settle for an assistant who is hungry for a HC position.
So we will settle for an assistant who is hungry for a HC position.
he went to the tourney 2 times out of the past 7 seasons and as a fanbase, they should be happy with that.
Stansbury's first 7 years were good. His last 7 were less than average with the last 3 telling the sign of how the program was trending.
Stansbury's first 7 years were good. His last 7 were less than average with the last 3 telling the sign of how the program was trending.
Holy **** I have to get better at this. I in no way meant Croom was a good hire. I was talking about the state of our program. Croom inherited ****. He at least left Mullen a little something and a decent recruiting class to hold together. Our next basketball coach will be pretty much starting from scratch. This is a big part of struggling to find a replacement.</p>