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lasher8 said:
What we're talking about here is bigotry. If you think that your religious beliefs are justification to deny benefits that you enjoy to people who believe differently from you, that is bigotry.
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You're using your beliefs to deny a private organization the ability to state and stand on traditional values, which you disagree with.

By your own definition, you are a bigot.
 
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Oddly enough, the reaction of most of my fellow Eagle Scout friends is more subdued/knew this was going to happen. Most of the "OUUUUTRAAAAAGEOUS!!!" bluster is coming from people who dropped out when they were 14.
 
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Count me as an ******* too....proud of a stance against the PC BS

I applaud the man for standing up for what he believes in! I for one am sick of the catering to the extreme minority just to be cool and hip. Its is wrong, he called it out, I agree. I'm also sick of the homophobe connotation for the simple fact I don't want some homo leading my son in scouts if he ever chooses to do so. Call it what you will......I could care less
 
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jakldawg said:
Oddly enough, the reaction of most of my fellow Eagle Scout friends is more subdued/knew this was going to happen. Most of the "OUUUUTRAAAAAGEOUS!!!" bluster is coming from people who dropped out when they were 14.
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I'm an Eagle Scout. I'm very happy with the decision today.

My anecdotal evidence is that you have it backwards.
 
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Scientific fact isn't necessary - it's about logic. Just read this:

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Where is research or scientific proof that people are born gay? I've always heard this, but have yet to see scientific fact. I have seen scientific fact of people being born black.
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There is a difference between preferences and choices.

A) Most of us have straight preferences, and choose to have straight relationships.

B) Some have gay preferences and choose to have gay relationships.

C) Some have gay preferences and choose to have straight relationships (for societal/family acceptance, etc)

D) Not many have straight preferences, and choose to have straight relationships.

E) Some people have gay and straight preferences, and choose to have straight relationships.

F) Some people have gay and straight preferences, and choose to have gay relationships.


You can choose actions, not preference (I don't choose my favorite color, I choose the color clothes I wear). If someone has a choice, and has equal opportunity to be happy either way, they must fall under category E or F, therefore are bisexual.

A straight person falls under A or D, then a gay person must fall under B or C.
 
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DocHolliday said:
I applaud the man for standing up for what he believes in! I for one am sick of the catering to the extreme minority just to be cool and hip. Its is wrong, he called it out, I agree. I'm also sick of the homophobe connotation for the simple fact I don't want some homo leading my son in scouts if he ever chooses to do so. Call it what you will......I could care less
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So supporting equal rights puts me in the extreme minority? ~50% of America is the extreme minority?
 
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Whether or not you're born gay is completely irrelevant.

What is relevant is that God has made it clear that homosexuality is sinful.

I was born a heterosexual. That doesn't mean that God's ok with me having sex with whomever I want. There are still limits on that, and anything outside those limits is sinful.
 
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Cousin Jeffrey said:
Whether or not you're born gay is completely irrelevant.

What is relevant is that God has made it clear that homosexuality is sinful.

I was born a heterosexual. That doesn't mean that God's ok with me having sex with whomever I want. There are still limits on that, and anything outside those limits is sinful.
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That's your denomination. Other denominations say otherwise. It's so irritating how conservative Christians try to claim that all Christians are anti-gay.

Do the Episcopals, Evangelical Lutherans, United Church of Christ, and various independent churches just not count as Christian in your eyes?
 
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someone who isnt a bleeding heart liberal and actually talks about it in public can only be a major *******. I wish the sackless wonder that started this thread would not have been picked on so badly as a young man....I'll never get the two minutes of my life back it took to read his over sensitive ramblings and those of his fellow democrats.
 
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MStateFan22 said:
Umm, you are really reaching dude. The bible tells us to judge with righteousness, not by appearance. Homosexuality is a sin. Being black is just skin color.
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20 years ago I would have agreed with you but... Two of my best friends in this world are gay. They believe in god too! I don't think it is a choice but how they are born. I was born short, black hair, ruggedly good looking. We are all born different, no two of us are alike. It is discrimination to exclude or otherwise single out anybody because of their difference. Matt has the right in this country to express his opinion but also has a responsibility as a representative of our university to think about what he says before he says it.
 
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A few things:

To all you idiots saying that someone voicing their opinion doesn't make them an *******, you're right. It's the content of their opinion that makes them an *******.

To all of you claiming that he's right, this will end the Boy Scouts, once again, you're an idiot. NOT doing this would eventually end the scouts. They are adapting to a philosophy that will soon be universal: There's nothing wrong with being gay.

To all of you crying "Political Correctness" and "homophobe phobe", you're deflecting, and you're an idiot. Try to stay on topic.
 
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I don't have the ability or power to deny the Boy Scouts of America anything. I haven't denied them anything nor have I tried to.

Furthermore, we were discussing sin and homosexuality, not the Boy Scouts, and the term homophobia in general.

Try to keep up...

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You're using your beliefs to deny a private organization the ability to state and stand on traditional values, which you disagree with.

By your own definition, you are a bigot.
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Little late asking this but what is the point of a boy who is uncomfortable being a boy wanting to be a boy scout ?
 
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Referring to a type of "love" as wrong is not any more dehumanizing than the homosexual advocate who doesn't respect the views of someone who does not agree that their lifestyle is moral. Someone could reason that the societal value of certain relationships are not equal, and therefore one is inherently more moral than others. Each position is supported by presuppositional beliefs, and make assumptions about the nature of morality. Perez Hilton's comments about Carrie Prejean come to mind as also being "dehumanizing". In this sense "dehumanizing" is synonymous with philosophical disagreement on morality. If that is "phobia" we are all "phobic".
 
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Little late asking this but what is the point of a boy who is uncomfortable being a boy wanting to be a boy scout ?
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Not sure if serious, but if you are, I don't know why differentiating between being gay and transgender is so hard for some people. Two completely separate issues, although both should have 100% equal rights.
 
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I really like all the definitive answers.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519
Italian geneticists may have explained how genes apparently linked to male homosexuality survive, despite gay men seldom having children. Their findings also undermine the theory of a single "gay gene".

http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
Homosexuality in males may be caused in part by genes that can increase fertility in females, according to a new study.

http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene
The genes a man gets from his mother and father may play an important role in determining whether he is gay or not, according to a new study likely to reignite the "gay gene" debate.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6612
There has been much debate over "gay genes". Now an intriguing study raises another possibility: in some cases, variations in the genetic program we inherit from our parents, rather than in the genes themselves, might determine sexual preference.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/3641
Gay orientation may start in the womb for a boy who was preceded into the world by a band of biological big brothers, according to a researcher here.
 
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I think you misread what I was saying, or I mistyped what I was thinking. Anyway:

"My crew" of Eagle Scouts is perfectly okay with what is happening (might be a case of sampling bias).
Peoples level of pissed-offness at how this is edging western civilization towards the abyss is inversely proportional to the actual amount of time they spent in Scouting.
 
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Yeah, nearly all male child molestors, including those who molest boys, identify themselves as heterosexual, and are often married. The incidence of self-identified homosexual males who molest children of either sex is tremendously low.
 
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barely said:
someone who isnt a bleeding heart liberal and actually talks about it in public can only be a major *******. I wish the sackless wonder that started this thread would not have been picked on so badly as a young man....I'll never get the two minutes of my life back it took to read his over sensitive ramblings and those of his fellow democrats.
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Wow, your feelings really got hurt that he indirectly called you an *******. Try not to be so sensitive.
 
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LDS and the Catholics are staying with scouting. You might even start seeing more school sponsored troops.
 
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Where is the research showing that people just can't change their sexual orientation? Of is that just your best guess?
 
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QuaoarsKing said:
That's your denomination. Other denominations say otherwise. It's so irritating how conservative Christians try to claim that all Christians are anti-gay.

Do the Episcopals, Evangelical Lutherans, United Church of Christ, and various independent churches just not count as Christian in your eyes?
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I'm not going to go that far.

However, to deny the sinfulness of homosexuality is to deny Biblical teaching on the matter. A church/denomination that does that is confused, at best, and has allowed shifts in cultural thought to shape doctrinal teachings.

There's a difference in showing Christ's love to homosexuals, and accepting their lifestyle as acceptable to God. You can do the former (and should) without doing the latter.
 
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QuaoarsKing said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at. No one is suggesting that he should have been legally prevented from saying it. But he is a homophobic, bigoted ******* and definitely not what MSU wants associated with it.
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You sir are absolutely incorrect. Its people like you that I get sick of. To be so negatively enthusiastic about a guy that is taking a stance for a Biblically correct issue. This tells me all I need to know about you.
 
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Are you sure you're not confusing Matt with his Head to Head broadcast partner? He's for sure an *******!
 
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He may have decided to change his actions; can't change one's preferences.

If he was pursuing relationships with the sex he was attracted to before, and is now as well, then he is bisexual.

Other options: He was attracted to men before, was now, and is still gay, just having relationships with women anyway, or the other way around. You just can't choose preferences, in any part of your life, only actions. It's fully possible that his preference changed - but not because he chose it.
 
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Cousin Jeffrey said:
Whether or not you're born gay is completely irrelevant.

What is relevant is that God has made it clear that homosexuality is sinful.

I was born a heterosexual. That doesn't mean that God's ok with me having sex with whomever I want. There are still limits on that, and anything outside those limits is sinful.
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But I'm sure that doesn't register with some people. There are also people that think that life doesn't begin, until you manage to creep out of a Planned Parenthood dumpster.
 
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I think it's

ridiculous that a group pressured a private organization into changing their beliefs. For the record, I don't give two ***** what gays do.
 
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