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jwheat

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or the "Im 21 so I should be able to buy alcohol wherever the hell I want to" argument?
 
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and its not like there is 100 people running a package store either. Also in a small town such as where the OP is from I can't imagine you would get 2 chain sit down restaurants. It may even be hard for them to get 1. Somerset went wet and has only added a couple of restaurants since then and one of those has closed and reopened a couple of times. Of course some of the ones that were open already started selling alcohol. They also have added a couple of package stores. Their population is quite a bit bigger than Burkesville's.
Any jobs created in this county is solid start. Nearly everyones population is bigger than Burkesville, but not nearly everyone is on a beautiful lake such as Dale Hollow. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about or you're a preacher/bootlegger.
 

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And big companies care about that how? My whole statement is it isn't going to bring a huge influx of jobs into your county. If you want it so you don't have to drive to Tennessee fine but for people to act like their county is all of a sudden going to be an economical boom town is funny. Is Celina a huge boomtown because they sell it?
 

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Any jobs created in this county is solid start. Nearly everyones population is bigger than Burkesville, but not nearly everyone is on a beautiful lake such as Dale Hollow. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about or you're a preacher/bootlegger.

Isn't Celina on Dale Hollow too?
 

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Waiting for your list of cons.... If you are from the area, and it seems like you are, then you know why celina is a ********.
 

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I don't care if you sell it in the streets but just admit it's so you don't have to drive to TN to get it. That is the reason most want it and nothing else.
 

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I hardly drink, have taken maybe two shots since the final four last April. One was the Louisville game and the other was the Kansas game.

I can assure you that a big part of why people want the county to be wet has a lot to do with no having to drive into Tennessee. It also has a part in keeping the money in our county. And the few jobs that it will create with the beer joints is better than doing nothing, which seems to be what you think should be done.
 

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Sorry I thought when I said I don't care if you sell it in the streets it would be pretty clear that I don't care if you sell it in the streets. I just find it amusing when people act like they want it for any reason other than convenience. The keeping the money local and creating a handful of jobs is secondary reasons to the majority that want it passed in their county.
 

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You have your reasons for wanting it passed and that is great, I respect that but just own the real reason and don't pretend it is something it really isn't. On the flip side if you have people in your county that oppose it, for whatever reason, I hope both sides can respect each others opinions. If we all thought alike it would be a pretty boring world. :victory:
 

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I've always thought it was ridiculous and even childish for counties to ban a legal product. That said you know some places don't want to urbanize. That is a general assumption too many make. I talked to a guy in another county earlier this year as they were coming up on a wet dry vote there. He was against it, I thought okay, that's your right. Then he told me the story of the guy that was pushing for the county/town/area to go wet. He said he road into their community a few years back and was is awe of nice and peaceful it was. The next thing you know he wants to change it, if he liked what he found why was he wanting to change it.

It makes sense, like I said not everyone wants a Texas Roadhouse and I'm not sure that working in a restaurant is most folks dream job either.
 

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And big companies care about that how? My whole statement is it isn't going to bring a huge influx of jobs into your county. If you want it so you don't have to drive to Tennessee fine but for people to act like their county is all of a sudden going to be an economical boom town is funny. Is Celina a huge boomtown because they sell it?
Kinda the same how ppl against it claim they want to keep their town clean...as if adding alcohol is going to turn their town into detroit.
 

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Alcohol can make a great revenue source for the local government. You tax the crap out of it and charge hefty liquor license fees. Package store owners and restaurants don't care. It's the cost of business. And I have a suspicion that many of these rural Kentucky communities are in dire need of revenue.
 

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Good post, Buster. It's obviously inconvenient to drive thirty minutes but people have been doing it for years. It's about helping out poor counties that if nothing else it adds a few more tax dollars.
 

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I want my family back in Monroe Co to be able to buy alcohol in Monroe Co just so they can get drunk and temporarily forget they still live in Monroe Co.
You love Monroe Co don't try to hide your feelings Jason
 

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Alcohol can make a great revenue source for the local government. You tax the crap out of it and charge hefty liquor license fees. Package store owners and restaurants don't care. It's the cost of business. And I have a suspicion that many of these rural Kentucky communities are in dire need of revenue.

So your suggestion is to force it on people? Not sure how you're going to tax the crap out of it and keep people from going somewhere else to get it. You're missing the fact that not everyone is looking to buy alcohol in a small town. There is only so much crap you tax out of a couple of dozen people.
 

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I want my family back in Monroe Co to be able to buy alcohol in Monroe Co just so they can get drunk and temporarily forget they still live in Monroe Co.


T-Ville...the city with no pity.

A friend from high school moved over there and started working at Beldens several years ago. I haven't spoken with him in a long time and I am not sure if he is still in that area or not. If so and he is like he was in High School he would contribute to the alcohol revenue for sure.
 

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Beldens's closed over there didn't it? I was over there last summer for a youth league football tournament and it looked the same as the last time I was there 15+ years ago. Pretty much the same as most small towns in KY look.
 

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The concept of a dry county in the 21st century still boggles the mind.

The greatest whiskey in the world is produced in Kentucky. There aren't many things the state has going for it that it can puff its chest out about and brag to the entire world. Bourbon is #1 of those things. Bourbon is becoming more and more popular around the world. It is finally getting the love and recognition it has always deserved. The state is finally realizing this and is starting to promote the tourism and heritage aspects of the bourbon industry. Bourbon producers have stepped up and the special premium small batch and single barrel offerings are now greater than they have ever been. Bourbon's roots goes way back in Kentucky's history. I just can't fathom that there are so many counties inside of Kentucky where you aren't even able to buy this coveted Kentucky juice. It would be like going to Scotland and not being able to buy Scotch.
 

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So your suggestion is to force it on people? Not sure how you're going to tax the crap out of it and keep people from going somewhere else to get it. You're missing the fact that not everyone is looking to buy alcohol in a small town. There is only so much crap you tax out of a couple of dozen people.
A couple dozen? How small is this town? Population 50?
 

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It's not ridiculous to say it keeps the money in the county, creates NEW JOBS (Even if it creates 50 jobs, that's still a bonus for 50 people being at home) and it gives people more options to eat instead of some redneck diner or fast food. Why is that a bad thing?

Take a look at what Pikeville became (the city not the county). I haven't lived in the area for a long time but that place grew big time over the last 20 years all while the surrounding areas look like garbage ghost towns.

More entertainment/dining options= money. You change absolutely nothing and you will get absolutely nothing. Why people are content with that is beyond me.
 
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Sorry I thought when I said I don't care if you sell it in the streets it would be pretty clear that I don't care if you sell it in the streets. I just find it amusing when people act like they want it for any reason other than convenience. The keeping the money local and creating a handful of jobs is secondary reasons to the majority that want it passed in their county.

False. Otherwise you wouldn't have non-drinkers advocating counties being wet too.

Really.....there are no logical, factual arguments against a county being wet.
 

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Sorry I thought when I said I don't care if you sell it in the streets it would be pretty clear that I don't care if you sell it in the streets. I just find it amusing when people act like they want it for any reason other than convenience. The keeping the money local and creating a handful of jobs is secondary reasons to the majority that want it passed in their county.

Actually, there are a lot of people in these smaller towns that want to be wet for other reasons than the convenience aspect, as you put it. As a matter of fact, if convenience were the only factor involved, I doubt most people would give much of a damn whether it passed or not. Since that's what you seem to be focused on, I'm guessing that's probably the reason you care so little about it.

The rest of us can easily see the benefits of increased tax revenue, increased jobs (however few that may be), increased entertainment options, increased attractiveness to outside industry, etc. Whether you choose to admit it or not, it will absolutely make a measurable difference to everyone that lives and works in these areas.
 
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Actually, there are a lot of people in these smaller towns that want to be wet for other reasons than the convenience aspect, as you put it. As a matter of fact, if convenience were the only factor involved, I doubt most people would give much of a damn whether it passed or not. Since that's what you seem to be focused on, I'm guessing that's probably the reason you care so little about it.

The rest of us can easily see the benefits of increased tax revenue, increased jobs (however few that may be), increased entertainment options, increased attractiveness to outside industry, etc. Whether you choose to admit it or not, it will absolutely make a measurable difference to everyone that lives and works in these areas.


I am surrounded by counties that are both wet and dry. The wet counties are not this oasis in the desert you try to imply. Those counties have little if any additional services and infrastructure than those that are dry. Does it generate more tax money? I am sure it has to but that is more money for crooked politicians to funnel through the good ole boy network instead of doing something productive with it. As for entertainment, if you consider a night club with a Lynyrd Skynyrd tribute band entertainment then I guess you can say it is increased entertainment. Some of the bands I have heard you probably need to be drunk just to be able to listen to them. As far as "outside industry" as I said before if I owned a businesses and went into a prospective town wanting to know if it is wet would be pretty far down my list of questions.
 
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Yes. Because theres very little inconvenient about going to another county. Hasn't stopped anyone since the modern automobile.

I guess we can agree to disagree. Most arguments I have ever heard at some point turns into...I hate having to drive all the way to (insert closest wet county here) because I should just be able to get it at the store.
 
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I am surrounded by counties that are both wet and dry. The wet counties are not this oasis in the desert you try to imply. Those counties have little if any additional services and infrastructure than those that are dry. Does it generate more tax money? I am sure it has to but that is more money for crooked politicians to funnel through the good ole boy network instead of doing something productive with it. As for entertainment, if you consider a night club with a Lynyrd Skynyrd tribute band entertainment then I guess you can say it is increased entertainment. Some of the bands I have heard you probably need to be drunk just to be able to listen to them. As far as "outside industry" as I said before if I owned a businesses and went into a prospective town wanting to know if it is wet would be pretty far down my list of questions.

Everything you typed here is your opinion and nothing more. That's fine, you're entitled to it.

No one in this thread has implied that making a county wet solves all it's problems. Like I said in an earlier post, it starts with competent leadership. It sounds like you don't have much faith in yours, so maybe you should consider running for office. Otherwise, you come across as someone who just likes to complain.

You said "if I owned a business..." Do you? I suspect not, because if you did and you weren't morally against the sale of alcohol, then your opinion on the matter would likely be far different (and more informed).
 

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Sorry, after watching my brother(and several friends) drink themselves to death , I wished it was illegal..

Legalize weed instead.[/QUOTE
I don't care if you sell it in the streets but just admit it's so you don't have to drive to TN to get it. That is the reason most want it and nothing else.
Why is having to drive 30-50 miles not a good enough reason? Is there a set of rules some where that says that some people have to spend extra time and money to get their hootch?
 

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What is false? The majority only want it passed for their convenience? Do you disagree?
Yes, strongly. I would be willing to bet this little county of mine has more churches per square mile than any county in the state. Half of them probably don't drink. I will get back with you on the final vote. I was just looking mainly for some cons but you cant give them