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What?????--Book alleges UofL used escort services
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Robert Blake in Lost Highway
This Blake photo clearly mimics what we've seen from Pitino
This Blake photo clearly mimics what we've seen from Pitino
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I’ve now read what I think is the complete public record between the NCAA and UofL on the whole #hookersindorms saga: the 10/17/16 twenty page initial Notice of Allegations; UofL’s 1/17/17 ninety-two page response; the 3/17/17 one hundred eighteen page reply of the NCAA; and then the 35 page decision handed down on June 15. I need a shower. A handful of things I didn’t know:
1. Louisville’s January ’17 document fully addresses which student athletes were not eligible. There is no mystery here. Pages III-3 and III-4 have tables which clearly identify ineligible players by year. The names, of course, are redacted, so I can’t say who they are. But there is no room on this for Louisville to try to get cute and come up with a list of names that would somehow protect the ’12 Final Four and ’13 Title. They have already identified them by name. Three players in ’11-’12; four in ’12-’13; five in ’13-’14; and four in ’14-’15. And there is another chart at the bottom of all of that indicating the number of regular season and NCAA tournament wins to be vacated by year: 26/4 in ’11-’12; 29/6 in ’12-’13; 29/2 in ’13-’14; and 24/3 in ‘14’15. That’s where people are getting the 108 regular season wins and 15 tournament wins. Again, this information came from Louisville to the NCAA – in response to the Notice of Allegations request to “tell us if you think Bylaw 19.9.7(g) applies here” (that’s the bylaw regarding vacating of wins and records. In short, Louisville has already provided this information, they can’t now try to come up with a different list of names. The title and final four and those 123 wins will be vacated, it’s just a matter of whether the appeal will change that.
2. Easy to say in hindsight, but Louisville misses the forest for the trees. First, it agrees that on 37 occasions sex acts/dances/etc. were given to 20 different individuals. At that point, should’ve just said, “tell us what you want”. But it fights instead. Fights about Katrina Powell’s credibility – you’ve already admitted the acts occurred, why do this? Fights about dollars and cents. The NCAA says a particular act cost $200, Louisville goes to some lengths to prove it was only worth $180. Just stupid. Reminds me of how a teenager protests when they get in trouble – arguing minutia and missing the obvious big picture.
3. This made me laugh:
E. Additional matters that related to Allegation No. 4.
On March 1, 2017, after the parties submitted their responses to the notice of allegations and the completion of all pre-hearing conferences, Scott Tompsett (Tompsett), Pitino's counsel, informed the Committee on Infractions that he intended to complete additional interviews with Keatts and Ralph Willard, former assistant men's basketball coach and former director of operations. During his March 15, 2017, interview with the parties, Willard reported that Tompsett provided him a copy of Pitino's response to the notice of allegations via email before and in preparation for his interview.
If you’ll lie about small things, you’ll lie about big things. Dumb.
4. The other thing that stood out was the transcript of the 4/13/16 interview with Brandon Williams. A lot of questions about bank accounts and the $200 dollars that went to Powell after McGee was already in Kansas City, and a lot of questions about text messages and voicemail between Williams and Mike Balado. Williams acknowledges at one point that “Coach Mike” is Balado, even though most people wouldn’t call him that. Anyway, it’s heavily redacted, but seems to me you can piece together enough to know that the NCAA, at least, is pretty sure who Coach Mike is and how the payments came to be made in McGee’s absence.
A lot there, naturally, but those things stood out to me as I read through it all……
1. Louisville’s January ’17 document fully addresses which student athletes were not eligible. There is no mystery here. Pages III-3 and III-4 have tables which clearly identify ineligible players by year. The names, of course, are redacted, so I can’t say who they are. But there is no room on this for Louisville to try to get cute and come up with a list of names that would somehow protect the ’12 Final Four and ’13 Title. They have already identified them by name. Three players in ’11-’12; four in ’12-’13; five in ’13-’14; and four in ’14-’15. And there is another chart at the bottom of all of that indicating the number of regular season and NCAA tournament wins to be vacated by year: 26/4 in ’11-’12; 29/6 in ’12-’13; 29/2 in ’13-’14; and 24/3 in ‘14’15. That’s where people are getting the 108 regular season wins and 15 tournament wins. Again, this information came from Louisville to the NCAA – in response to the Notice of Allegations request to “tell us if you think Bylaw 19.9.7(g) applies here” (that’s the bylaw regarding vacating of wins and records. In short, Louisville has already provided this information, they can’t now try to come up with a different list of names. The title and final four and those 123 wins will be vacated, it’s just a matter of whether the appeal will change that.
2. Easy to say in hindsight, but Louisville misses the forest for the trees. First, it agrees that on 37 occasions sex acts/dances/etc. were given to 20 different individuals. At that point, should’ve just said, “tell us what you want”. But it fights instead. Fights about Katrina Powell’s credibility – you’ve already admitted the acts occurred, why do this? Fights about dollars and cents. The NCAA says a particular act cost $200, Louisville goes to some lengths to prove it was only worth $180. Just stupid. Reminds me of how a teenager protests when they get in trouble – arguing minutia and missing the obvious big picture.
3. This made me laugh:
E. Additional matters that related to Allegation No. 4.
On March 1, 2017, after the parties submitted their responses to the notice of allegations and the completion of all pre-hearing conferences, Scott Tompsett (Tompsett), Pitino's counsel, informed the Committee on Infractions that he intended to complete additional interviews with Keatts and Ralph Willard, former assistant men's basketball coach and former director of operations. During his March 15, 2017, interview with the parties, Willard reported that Tompsett provided him a copy of Pitino's response to the notice of allegations via email before and in preparation for his interview.
If you’ll lie about small things, you’ll lie about big things. Dumb.
4. The other thing that stood out was the transcript of the 4/13/16 interview with Brandon Williams. A lot of questions about bank accounts and the $200 dollars that went to Powell after McGee was already in Kansas City, and a lot of questions about text messages and voicemail between Williams and Mike Balado. Williams acknowledges at one point that “Coach Mike” is Balado, even though most people wouldn’t call him that. Anyway, it’s heavily redacted, but seems to me you can piece together enough to know that the NCAA, at least, is pretty sure who Coach Mike is and how the payments came to be made in McGee’s absence.
A lot there, naturally, but those things stood out to me as I read through it all……
Question, if there is a NCAA violation on the football side of things does that count towards the probation? Or is it just the basketball program that is on four years probation?
Depends. They've gotten away with plenty in basketball (and football) that never got the proper attention, so who knows. People act like the only rules they broke were during this scandal. There's been plenty more where they just didn't get caught. As another poster mentioned, as long as the same people are in charge, they'll get in trouble again or at the least, continue to have some scandals that may not be technically rule related.
Thanks Mojo, much appreciated.
I see no way the banner doesn't come down.
I see no way the banner doesn't come down.
Anyone can threaten to sue. That happens every day in all kinds of situations. But I cannot believe that Louisville trustees would make this mistake. This is nothing but a smokescreen for people who have no other defense.
Some of the quibbling is just to preserve your objections to the other side's summary of the facts. You never know what's going to be important later on, so even if it's a small thing, you better state your objection to numbers, dates, times, ages, etc.
I'm a little shocked that Pitino wasn't hit with some form of witness tampering. Sending his answers to Willard in advance of his interview is essentially what got Bruce Pearl in trouble.... trying to coordinate their testimony so it all matched up.
Also, this is listed as an "aggravating factor" - it ticked UofL off a good bit, and is ironic considering its fanbase spends a great deal of time focusing on our history:
b. The institution and men's basketball program has a history of major violations as reflected by January 11, 1957, major violations involving men's basketball; November 20, 1996, major violations involving men's basketball; and September 22, 1998, major violations involving men's basketball and women's volleyball. [NCAA Bylaw 19.9.3-(b)]
b. The institution and men's basketball program has a history of major violations as reflected by January 11, 1957, major violations involving men's basketball; November 20, 1996, major violations involving men's basketball; and September 22, 1998, major violations involving men's basketball and women's volleyball. [NCAA Bylaw 19.9.3-(b)]
If someone had the time and inclination, you could do some sleuthing and figure out some of the names. Example: "Prospect 1 made unofficial visits to the institution on December 31, 2010 and October 14, 2011." December 31, 2010 was the date of the Jorts game, the 78-63 UK win. With some time, it shouldn't be impossible to figure out who was on campus for UofL then. So you can back into some of it. But it wasn't that important, so I didn't. Reading all that was enough. heh.
I was a little shocked he wasn't fired after syphergate.
Can't believe pitino still has a job. What other school would put up with all he has done?
Now I've heard it all This Louisville dweeb crying my Son will be heartbroken if the NCAA takes our Title..Wake up Leroy..you cheat you hire hookers you provide sex to underage prospects..YOU GET THE BANNER TAKEN...End of story Finished..Your Son can play in the streets ..Cry along with Russ Smith...The appeal is useless drag it out a few more years..When the STD that Sypher gave Pitino wears him down to a haggard old man Oops He's already there..Never Mind..
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Lmao - this might be the silliest justification I've seen so far
One card poster in response to the story about McGee handing a kid a condom and telling him to go upstairs to meet with someone that Mcgee knew was a prostitute:
"As creepy as that appears, that shouldn't be a basis to vacate records. It's not against the rules to give someone a condom, and there's no evidence that McGee paid anyone to do anything. So while that makes for a sensational story, unless you have better evidence than some girl's word, it's not a proven fact anything against the rules happened. Again, as creepy as the entire incident appears."
What do they want, a full porn video?
One card poster in response to the story about McGee handing a kid a condom and telling him to go upstairs to meet with someone that Mcgee knew was a prostitute:
"As creepy as that appears, that shouldn't be a basis to vacate records. It's not against the rules to give someone a condom, and there's no evidence that McGee paid anyone to do anything. So while that makes for a sensational story, unless you have better evidence than some girl's word, it's not a proven fact anything against the rules happened. Again, as creepy as the entire incident appears."
What do they want, a full porn video?
I can't even say that IU would do this...and I poke fun at IU all the time.
I cried when UK was busted in the 80's ....... So to hell with his son and that plea.... he's not special. He can grow up and learn people pay for their ill actions like myself and so many others had to in their youth.
#1 sounds like the NCAA is wanting ul to admit which players were involved
no doubt the NCAA already knows, just wanting that admission from ul
Hey Comey.. if you're reading this, please leak the full report. TIA.
And once UL says which players who were ineligible played in what games, they have just confessed to using ineligible players in 108 regular season games and 15 postseason games.
Game. Set. Match.
Banners come down.
He read 265 pages. Not even the length of a single book. Would that be a struggle for you?
Reminds me of the book "Surviving Polygamy"Thanks but you need a woman, or another woman....
By: Sharon Peters
Question was directed at OP not you. But to answer YOUR question...if it's regarding this subject yes it would be.
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Re: 3 former players
Saturday at 7:09 AMLast edited Saturday at 7:11 AMby GoCardinals
If it is all of the guys who were kicked off the team or left then there may be some correlation to more coaches knowing than previously thought.
Chane, Kevin, and maybe Zack or even Akoi (Possibly Mango-even though he didn't leave)
For the 3 who did, they do not deserve the L1C4 status.
Re: 3 former players
Saturday at 7:09 AMLast edited Saturday at 7:11 AMby GoCardinals
If it is all of the guys who were kicked off the team or left then there may be some correlation to more coaches knowing than previously thought.
Chane, Kevin, and maybe Zack or even Akoi (Possibly Mango-even though he didn't leave)
For the 3 who did, they do not deserve the L1C4 status.
L1C4- Linebeards first, Cellblock 4.