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Recruiting classes from 2007 and 2008 should be the leaders of this class. Coach Croom was in charge of those...
Is Mullen to blame for not getting a few JuCo's to fill the holes this year? Absolutely... but it wasn't like he didn't try... he just swung and missed on some guys that he thought he had great shots at getting. Hopefully we won't go through that **** again this January.
Is Mullen to blame for not getting a few JuCo's to fill the holes this year? Absolutely... but it wasn't like he didn't try... he just swung and missed on some guys that he thought he had great shots at getting. Hopefully we won't go through that **** again this January.
It didn't take Nick Saban 4 years to rebuild the D at Alabama. Todd Graham turned UGA's D from a bad 4-3 to an outstanding 3-4 in two years.
We missed on Justin Peacock (Arkansas' starting LT)
We missed on Aaron Morris (would provide depth)
We signed JUCO Joey Trapp (who doesn't contribute)
We signed Archie Muniz (who doesn't contribute)
We signed Eric Lawson (who doesn't contribute)
We signed Blaine Clausell (doesn't contribute)
We signed Damion Anderson (Ditto)
Another thing: we're only down 1 OL from where we were at the start of the season (Smith). Our OL isn't ravaged with injuries right now.
We missed on Justin Peacock (Arkansas' starting LT)
We missed on Aaron Morris (would provide depth)
We signed JUCO Joey Trapp (who doesn't contribute)
We signed Archie Muniz (who doesn't contribute)
We signed Eric Lawson (who doesn't contribute)
We signed Blaine Clausell (doesn't contribute)
We signed Damion Anderson (Ditto)
Another thing: we're only down 1 OL from where we were at the start of the season (Smith). Our OL isn't ravaged with injuries right now.
that's the same old BS I have heard for the last 40 years. You are TOTALLY old school dude. your BS is the same old crap we have alwaysspewed at MSU. This board is LT crap when things get tough. I heard your crap when I was a kid. I'm about to be 48. Ban me Gene.
it off. It's the same old crap I have ALWAYS heard at MSU. What's pitiful is you actually think youare something new. Allen McKeen knew you. Ban me Gene, you people are as bad as Gene in your own way. Six Pack Party line only is welcome here. We have whined, bitched,and fired our whole freaking history. I would like to see something new for a change. If we beat the Bears and go bowling how about we try someting REALLY new and stay the course?
let's try something new LT. Let's actually support a coach for once. Your bitching makes recruiting for whoever is the coach that much harder.I KNOW it makes a differeance, for a FACT. You pathetic old school idiot. Ban me Gene. You "new' gheezers can't stand REAL new thinking and you know it.
You can't have a slim/weak OL in the SEC. Look how Oregan got pushed around by LSU and USC. Mullen decided that the OL needed to be slim and under 300 lb. You have to be big, strong and fast in the SEC. </p>
difference last night. Their QB with the same time as our QB had to throw would not be nearly as effective......our QB with the same time as their QB would be much better. Give Russell enough time (adequate time) and he is very accurate.
Our receivers don't/can't run the crisp routes Ark's receivers did and can't catch the football as well.....our receiver are soft. Extremely soft.
On a side note.....17 the zone defense.....especially against a good pitch and catch team such as ARK.
Our receivers don't/can't run the crisp routes Ark's receivers did and can't catch the football as well.....our receiver are soft. Extremely soft.
On a side note.....17 the zone defense.....especially against a good pitch and catch team such as ARK.
He was put into a foundation laying situation. Bama and UGA can rebuild, because they actually have the tradition to do so. Mullen came into a situation in which the cupboard was bare and he's still filling it.
And in regards to the O-Line and years of service... go look around at all of the best teams in the nation. Their offensive line 2-deeps are littered with upperclassmen and a rare underclassmen or two. We're having to play redshirt freshman who just aren't ready yet... and our upperclassmen just aren't of SEC quality.
In 2 years, the Archie Muniz, Damien Robinson, and Blaine Clausell class is going to bea HUGE strength.
And in regards to the O-Line and years of service... go look around at all of the best teams in the nation. Their offensive line 2-deeps are littered with upperclassmen and a rare underclassmen or two. We're having to play redshirt freshman who just aren't ready yet... and our upperclassmen just aren't of SEC quality.
In 2 years, the Archie Muniz, Damien Robinson, and Blaine Clausell class is going to bea HUGE strength.
'He was put into a foundation laying situation. Bama and UGA can rebuild, because they actually have the tradition to do so. Mullen came into a situation in which the cupboard was bare and he's still filling it.'
we didn't even have a cupboard...mullen is having to built that first
we didn't even have a cupboard...mullen is having to built that first
Alabama's OL early on went..
Anthony Steen (<span style="font-weight: bold;">another guy we missed on</span>) - true Soph
Cyrus K - true fresh
Barret Jones - Jr
Valahos - Sr
They're not starting true freshman, obviously, but they have plenty of younger guys contributing.
Anthony Steen (<span style="font-weight: bold;">another guy we missed on</span>) - true Soph
Cyrus K - true fresh
Barret Jones - Jr
Valahos - Sr
They're not starting true freshman, obviously, but they have plenty of younger guys contributing.
When Mullen signed with MSU we had..
1st round NFL pick Derek Sherrod at LT.
3 year starter JC Brignone.
3 year starter Addison Lawerence
Q. Saulsberry for depth.
Gabe Jackson committed.
Tobias Smith on campus
I bet those guys listed above have accounted for 90% of OL starts under Mullen. Did Croom have SEC talent all the way across the 2 deep - probably not. But, all Mullen's had to do was add some depth (all the starters were here already), and that hasn't happened.
We've got a JUCO OG committed, and we'd kill to get a JUCO OT. That tells me all I need to know about our OL recruiting/future.
1st round NFL pick Derek Sherrod at LT.
3 year starter JC Brignone.
3 year starter Addison Lawerence
Q. Saulsberry for depth.
Gabe Jackson committed.
Tobias Smith on campus
I bet those guys listed above have accounted for 90% of OL starts under Mullen. Did Croom have SEC talent all the way across the 2 deep - probably not. But, all Mullen's had to do was add some depth (all the starters were here already), and that hasn't happened.
We've got a JUCO OG committed, and we'd kill to get a JUCO OT. That tells me all I need to know about our OL recruiting/future.
Not much he could do with the 2009 class except shore up what Croom left him. What else did you expect him to do? You are a +*%$@+* idiot.
the 2009 class is proving to be pretty solid. Not sure why everyone is hating on Mullen's recruiting. I guess because he didn't bring in any instant impact starters, like Ole Miss did. It's sure helping them out a bunch.
but you're seriously dealing with the dumbest fanbase imaginable. Well, I suspect others are worse, but at least they win so they can somewhat mask their idiocies. <div>
</div><div>People bitching about Mullen's recruiting are just idiots, that's all. They have no evidence to back up their claims. At 9-4 and 6-6, that's a pretty good stretch of football for MSU history. And people are saying we don't have players? WTF. Team will only be better next year, not to mention that little BCS 123 lines up with the SECW 123.</div>
</div><div>People bitching about Mullen's recruiting are just idiots, that's all. They have no evidence to back up their claims. At 9-4 and 6-6, that's a pretty good stretch of football for MSU history. And people are saying we don't have players? WTF. Team will only be better next year, not to mention that little BCS 123 lines up with the SECW 123.</div>
Fletcher Cox
Josh Boyd
McPhee
Cam Lawrence
Tyler Russell
Chris Smith
Jonathan Banks
Deonte Skinner
Gabe Jackson
Chad Bumphis
Chris White
Nickoe Whitley
If we pulled in classes close to that in 2010 and 2011 **** would look very different on Saturdays this year.
Josh Boyd
McPhee
Cam Lawrence
Tyler Russell
Chris Smith
Jonathan Banks
Deonte Skinner
Gabe Jackson
Chad Bumphis
Chris White
Nickoe Whitley
If we pulled in classes close to that in 2010 and 2011 **** would look very different on Saturdays this year.
Offensive linemen (and generally defensive linemen) need a good 2 years in the weight room to be ready for SEC play... especially kids from small town Mississippi who aren't exposed to good weight training regimens in high school.
It takes 10 SEC quality linemen to compete in this conference. Croom left Mullen with the following:
1st round NFL pick Derek Sherrod at LT.
3 year starter JC Brignone.
3 year starter Addison Lawerence
Q. Saulsberry for depth.
Gabe Jackson committed.
Tobias Smith on campus
So we had 2 senior starters and 3 junior starters. An extremely experienced starting O-Line, with another very experienced player backing him. Is that ideal? No, but it was sufficient. Our line was a strength last year.
This year, we returned 3 of those starters and it could easily be argued that they were the 3 worst offensive linemen from that starting group last year. So for this year, we started the following:
Carmon - First year playing o-line in a long time. Count him as a redshirt freshmen in o-line terms.
(3) Seniors who are average at-best SEC linemen
(1) redshirt freshmen (Day, Robinson, Clausell) after the injury to Tobias Smith
And our depth is filled with redshirt freshman and true freshmen. None of which are physically ready for SEC play.
Mullen should, 100% without a doubt, be chastised for not filling some of these holes with quality JuCo offensive linemen.... but in all reality, he needed about 3 or 4 last year and he unfortunately swung and missed on his few targets (Jason Peacock being the biggest miss).
Next year, we'll see marked improvement from our line play.
Archie Muniz, Blaine Clausell, Damien Robinson, Dillon Day, and Eric Lawson will all have 2 years under their belts (with 3 more to play) and we'll have Tobias Smith (hopefully) and Gabe Jackson back, as well as filling in with Dylan Holley. If Mullen gets Glauser and/or another big time JuCo guy, our line should be solid next year with some decent depth.
It takes 10 SEC quality linemen to compete in this conference. Croom left Mullen with the following:
1st round NFL pick Derek Sherrod at LT.
3 year starter JC Brignone.
3 year starter Addison Lawerence
Q. Saulsberry for depth.
Gabe Jackson committed.
Tobias Smith on campus
So we had 2 senior starters and 3 junior starters. An extremely experienced starting O-Line, with another very experienced player backing him. Is that ideal? No, but it was sufficient. Our line was a strength last year.
This year, we returned 3 of those starters and it could easily be argued that they were the 3 worst offensive linemen from that starting group last year. So for this year, we started the following:
Carmon - First year playing o-line in a long time. Count him as a redshirt freshmen in o-line terms.
(3) Seniors who are average at-best SEC linemen
(1) redshirt freshmen (Day, Robinson, Clausell) after the injury to Tobias Smith
And our depth is filled with redshirt freshman and true freshmen. None of which are physically ready for SEC play.
Mullen should, 100% without a doubt, be chastised for not filling some of these holes with quality JuCo offensive linemen.... but in all reality, he needed about 3 or 4 last year and he unfortunately swung and missed on his few targets (Jason Peacock being the biggest miss).
Next year, we'll see marked improvement from our line play.
Archie Muniz, Blaine Clausell, Damien Robinson, Dillon Day, and Eric Lawson will all have 2 years under their belts (with 3 more to play) and we'll have Tobias Smith (hopefully) and Gabe Jackson back, as well as filling in with Dylan Holley. If Mullen gets Glauser and/or another big time JuCo guy, our line should be solid next year with some decent depth.
among the ones who are playing and many starting???? And they are a year younger.<div>
</div><div>You're just wrong, guy. Give it up.</div><div>
</div><div>What's killing us on the OL is our 2008 class having a bunch of busts and no shows. Templeton Hardy needs to **** or get off the pot. </div>
</div><div>You're just wrong, guy. Give it up.</div><div>
</div><div>What's killing us on the OL is our 2008 class having a bunch of busts and no shows. Templeton Hardy needs to **** or get off the pot. </div>
You couldn't be farther off. Against Memphis we started 3 srs and 2 Jrs. I get we moved Carmon over, but that's because we missed on guys. When Croom left Sherrod was a Soph and Mullen had two years to find a LT - but he didn't do it. AND OH BTW WE DON'T HAVE A LT FOR NEXT YEAR EITHER. That on Croom 4 years later?
When was the last time MSU had 10 SEC OL? That's never going to happen. You can forget it. We're lucky to field 5 quality staring OL and 2 backups.
Finally, you can write off Lawson (he should have never got a offer and I'm surprised he's still on the team), Robinson isn't that much further ahead. Joey Trapp is 6'1 275 lbs right now. We're trying sign 3 JUCO OL this year. What does that tell you about how the staff feels with Muniz, Lawson, Robinson, Trapp, Clausell, etc?
When was the last time MSU had 10 SEC OL? That's never going to happen. You can forget it. We're lucky to field 5 quality staring OL and 2 backups.
Finally, you can write off Lawson (he should have never got a offer and I'm surprised he's still on the team), Robinson isn't that much further ahead. Joey Trapp is 6'1 275 lbs right now. We're trying sign 3 JUCO OL this year. What does that tell you about how the staff feels with Muniz, Lawson, Robinson, Trapp, Clausell, etc?
Croom was our head coach at this point in time 3 years ago.
Second, we dominated the Memphis line of scrimmage.
Third, James Carmon is a freshman offensive linemen.
Fourth, Croom left and Sherrod was a Junior for Mullen.
Trapp is bust. Not doubt. Swing and a miss. Korey Banks was a bust too. It happens. Mullen should definitely be accountable for Trapp, but I think it was his best case scenario.
And the jury is out on Muniz, Lawson, Clausell, and Robinson. The staff is recruiting and trying to get 3 JuCo's this year so we get closer to that number of 10. That's the goal. Is that hard to see?</p>
Second, we dominated the Memphis line of scrimmage.
Third, James Carmon is a freshman offensive linemen.
Fourth, Croom left and Sherrod was a Junior for Mullen.
Trapp is bust. Not doubt. Swing and a miss. Korey Banks was a bust too. It happens. Mullen should definitely be accountable for Trapp, but I think it was his best case scenario.
And the jury is out on Muniz, Lawson, Clausell, and Robinson. The staff is recruiting and trying to get 3 JuCo's this year so we get closer to that number of 10. That's the goal. Is that hard to see?</p>
there's a picture on somebody's sig that showed his humiliation that day.<div>
</div><div>Then, he became a junior and senior and dominated. I guess our FRESHMEN lineman aren't afforded that luxury by our dipshit fans.</div>
</div><div>Then, he became a junior and senior and dominated. I guess our FRESHMEN lineman aren't afforded that luxury by our dipshit fans.</div>
the way you mean.
But he had an agenda the day he walked onto campus.
1. if you cant win them all, and you cant win enough to get in a bowl, embarass the one you can and build the next 2 seasons on getting to little bowls.
2. if you cant out bid the big boys, and you arent willijng to outbid your inbred cousin for marginal kids, do with what you got for another year.
3.do something drastic to appease the jewish community in starkville because apparantly one of them has a cockulburr up his isreali ***.
But he had an agenda the day he walked onto campus.
1. if you cant win them all, and you cant win enough to get in a bowl, embarass the one you can and build the next 2 seasons on getting to little bowls.
2. if you cant out bid the big boys, and you arent willijng to outbid your inbred cousin for marginal kids, do with what you got for another year.
3.do something drastic to appease the jewish community in starkville because apparantly one of them has a cockulburr up his isreali ***.
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