What fallout of the Big Beautiful Bill will be the funniest?

dpic73

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Of course they did. They want people to vote against Trump. Trump has policy's that help people of color. All the rot in the hood is a result of leftist. MLK and Malcolm X warned everybody about you leftist white demons. There is a very good reason MLK was a Rep and hated the Dems...
Dude, you are so detached from reality that you may as well live on a different planet. You are the poster boy for how damaging social media can be to the gullible.
 

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Dude, you are so detached from reality that you may as well live on a different planet. You are the poster boy for how damaging social media can be to the gullible.
always with the projections. After all wasnt long ago the last "known" KKK member in Gov in DC was Robert"KKK"Byrd- Democrat
 

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Strom Thurmond was a democrat until JFK and the northern liberals pushed for civil rights. These southern racists left the democrat party for the Republican one. And thus.... the racists went with them.
Funny how the south became less racist after it went more Republican in the 70's and 80's...
 

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Always has been...
Alright then. If you truly believe that current day Klan members were voting for Kamala, I’m not sure what to say to that. Have a good one I guess.
I suspect you’re just trolling bc you think flipping the script on the libs is fun or something. But you do you.
 

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Funny how the south became less racist after it went more Republican in the 70's and 80's...
Haha ok... do me a favor and go look up the voting record on the civil rights act of 1964 and then tell me the southerners both republican and democrats were not racists.
 

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You posted three versions of the definition... all centered on one theme: repressive control of the people, i.e. citizens, via policing.

So if your argument is that ICE targeting non-citizens for immigration enforcement = “repressive control of the people,” that’s a serious stretch. Is the system flawed? Arguably. Is it overfunded? Possibly. But is it a police state by the very definitions you shared? No.
That's the full definition. Have you never opened a dictionary and seen multiple entries for a word???
Is ice covering theory faces? Does that make their identity a secret? Is the word citizen used once in the definition?
 

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"Also, I would gladly take a pay cut".

So, on top of everything else, you're a liar to boot? You have no intention of taking a pay cut. You want to keep your lifestyle and have every one else that is not you, pay for it.

Why is any type of medication, for any illness $1500 a month? I've got a good idea why, and it's called GREED.
I would take a pay cut. You can’t speak for my intentions
 
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I would take a pay cut. You can’t speak for my intentions
OK. I'll give you that.....I can't speak for your intentions. Money has never been a problem for your family AS you grew up a rich, privileged BOY.

I'm just wondering how someone 6'6" could turn out to be such a *****. I'm not sure I've ever met another one like you. It's embarassing.
 
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Dude, you are so detached from reality that you may as well live on a different planet. You are the poster boy for how damaging social media can be to the gullible.

@dpic73 its funny that you say @TigerRagRob is detached from reality

From my cheap seat you are the King of the Detached from Reality Kingdom

Then what do I know

You never let facts or truth get in the way of pushing your agenda

Continue on
 

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How about this fallout libs??? General Trump is making it incredibly easy fir us to own the loony libs.


  • These numbers are likely drawn from the Current Population Survey (CPS), which tracks employment by nativity but is not seasonally adjusted, meaning month-to-month fluctuations can exaggerate trends due to seasonal factors like summer hiring or winter slowdowns.
  • The CPS defines "foreign-born" as individuals not born U.S. citizens, including legal immigrants, naturalized citizens, refugees, and undocumented workers. It does not distinguish legal status, so claims tying these shifts directly to "illegal immigration" are speculative
  • The 2 million gain for U.S.-born workers may reflect seasonal hiring spikes (e.g., June is typically strong for labor force growth) or broader economic recovery, but it’s not necessarily a zero-sum trade-off where native-born workers "replaced" foreign-born ones.
  • Historical data shows foreign-born workers have driven significant labor force growth, accounting for over half of U.S. labor force increases over the past three decades. A sudden drop in their numbers could signal reduced labor supply, which some economists warn may harm industries like healthcare and construction facing worker shortages.
  • Foreign-born workers are not just employees but also consumers, contributing to economic demand. A sharp decline in their numbers could reduce economic activity, potentially offsetting job gains for native-born workers.
    • Economists like Heidi Shierholz emphasize that the economy isn’t a fixed pie of jobs; immigrants and native-born workers can both gain employment in a growing economy. Claims of direct displacement often oversimplify or misrepresent dynamics.

    • The claim is often framed politically, with some X posts and articles tying it to immigration enforcement or criticizing prior administrations. This risks cherry-picking data to fit a narrative, as seen in earlier claims under the Biden administration where job gains for foreign-born workers were used to argue they were "taking" American jobs. Both sides can manipulate unadjusted data to mislead.

      The narrative of "prioritizing American workers" is appealing but ignores potential downsides like labor shortages and economic demand reduction. Without clearer evidence of causation and longer-term data, the claim should be viewed cautiously, as it fits into a pattern of selective data use to push political points.











 

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@dpic73 its funny that you say @TigerRagRob is detached from reality

From my cheap seat you are the King of the Detached from Reality Kingdom

Then what do I know

You never let facts or truth get in the way of pushing your agenda

Continue on
What you know is nothing you senile ol coot. You are the last person I would rely on to give an honest account of reality.

Lick that Trump taint...lick lick lick
 

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Alright then. If you truly believe that current day Klan members were voting for Kamala, I’m not sure what to say to that. Have a good one I guess.
I suspect you’re just trolling bc you think flipping the script on the libs is fun or something. But you do you.
The ignore option is useful
 
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Alright then. If you truly believe that current day Klan members were voting for Kamala, I’m not sure what to say to that. Have a good one I guess.
I suspect you’re just trolling bc you think flipping the script on the libs is fun or something. But you do you.
her family owned slaves. Its more of a class thing than racial...
 

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What you know is nothing you senile ol coot. You are the last person I would rely on to give an honest account of reality.

Lick that Trump taint...lick lick lick

What you know is nothing you senile ol coot. You are the last person I would rely on to give an honest account of reality.

Lick that Trump taint...lick lick lick
More like licking your salty tears butterball...
 

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That's the full definition. Have you never opened a dictionary and seen multiple entries for a word???
Is ice covering theory faces? Does that make their identity a secret? Is the word citizen used once in the definition?
Is the word citizen used in the definition? It doesn’t have to be. The entire premise of a police state is government repression of its own population... which, by definition, means its citizens. No serious political scientist defines a police state based solely on immigration enforcement.

Yes, ICE agents sometimes cover their faces... for good reason: to protect themselves and their families from retaliation. Funny, though… I thought the left loved masks? COVID, Antifa, every “peaceful protest”... masks were practically a uniform. Let’s not suddenly pretend face coverings are a problem now.
 
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OK. I'll give you that.....I can't speak for your intentions. Money has never been a problem for your family AS you grew up a rich, privileged BOY.

I'm just wondering how someone 6'6" could turn out to be such a *****. I'm not sure I've ever met another one like you. It's embarassing.
Why you so obsessed with me? C’mon BigTimeTiger I know deep down you’re jealous that I am only 30 years old and already have a better life than you ever will
 

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What you know is nothing you senile ol coot. You are the last person I would rely on to give an honest account of reality.

Lick that Trump taint...lick lick lick

Thank you for providing me additional evidence in writing of your mental deficiencies in dealing with people who practice reality living
 
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Is the word citizen used in the definition? It doesn’t have to be. The entire premise of a police state is government repression of its own population... which, by definition, means its citizens. No serious political scientist defines a police state based solely on immigration enforcement.

Yes, ICE agents sometimes cover their faces... for good reason: to protect themselves and their families from retaliation. Funny, though… I thought the left loved masks? COVID, Antifa, every “peaceful protest”... masks were practically a uniform. Let’s not suddenly pretend face coverings are a problem now.
Did you know the constitution protects the people from secret police. Covering their faces and not identifying themselves is questionable. So they are a secret police who kidnapped folks in the night. I believe they kidnapped students who wrote papers critical of Israel. Sounds like a police state thing to do.
 
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Did you know the constitution protects the people from secret police. Covering their faces and not identifying themselves is questionable. So they are a secret police who kidnapped folks in the night. I believe they kidnapped students who wrote papers critical of Israel. Sounds like a police state thing to do.

That’s a pretty wild stretch. Wearing face coverings for operational safety doesn’t make ICE “secret police”... federal agents in multiple departments do the same to protect themselves from retaliation. That’s standard, not sinister. And while the Constitution does offer some protections to everyone on U.S. soil, non-citizens... especially those here illegally... do not have the same constitutional rights as citizens, particularly in immigration matters.

As for the claim that students were “kidnapped for criticizing Israel,” there’s zero credible evidence to back that up. If you’ve got proof, show it. Otherwise, you’re trafficking in conspiracy, not fact. Criticizing ICE or immigration policy is fair game... but calling it a police state because it enforces the law? That’s not serious debate. That’s just fearmongering.
 

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That’s a pretty wild stretch. Wearing face coverings for operational safety doesn’t make ICE “secret police”... federal agents in multiple departments do the same to protect themselves from retaliation. That’s standard, not sinister. And while the Constitution does offer some protections to everyone on U.S. soil, non-citizens... especially those here illegally... do not have the same constitutional rights as citizens, particularly in immigration matters.

As for the claim that students were “kidnapped for criticizing Israel,” there’s zero credible evidence to back that up. If you’ve got proof, show it. Otherwise, you’re trafficking in conspiracy, not fact. Criticizing ICE or immigration policy is fair game... but calling it a police state because it enforces the law? That’s not serious debate. That’s just fearmongering.
Easy to provide


Theres three, theres more. Please research yourself. They are attacking people for their thought because they know you will allow it because you consider them non citizens and not under the protection of the constitution. But you are wrong the constitution does not, in any way, give the rights just to citizens. Its purpose was to limit the government from tyranny against people in its lands. You are walking down a slippery slope friend.
 

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Easy to provide


Theres three, theres more. Please research yourself. They are attacking people for their thought because they know you will allow it because you consider them non citizens and not under the protection of the constitution. But you are wrong the constitution does not, in any way, give the rights just to citizens. Its purpose was to limit the government from tyranny against people in its lands. You are walking down a slippery slope friend.

I read the articles... and none of them support the idea that ICE “kidnapped students for their thoughts.” Each case involves students who were in the U.S. on visas and allegedly violated immigration laws (e.g. overstays, status issues, or failure to meet visa requirements). ICE acted based on immigration status, not political views.

No credible evidence shows they were arrested because of what they wrote or believed. If they had been U.S. citizens taken for speech, that would be a First Amendment violation. But they weren’t, and it wasn’t.

As for the Constitution... yes, some protections apply broadly to “persons,” but immigration law is a separate, civil framework that allows for removal of non-citizens who aren’t in compliance. That’s not a loophole, it’s longstanding constitutional law backed by precedent.

You’re trying to turn legal enforcement into a dystopian narrative. You can argue ICE is too aggressive, fine. But this isn’t about thoughtcrime... it’s about legal status. Let’s stay grounded in facts.
 
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I read the articles... and none of them support the idea that ICE “kidnapped students for their thoughts.” Each case involves students who were in the U.S. on visas and allegedly violated immigration laws (e.g. overstays, status issues, or failure to meet visa requirements). ICE acted based on immigration status, not political views.

No credible evidence shows they were arrested because of what they wrote or believed. If they had been U.S. citizens taken for speech, that would be a First Amendment violation. But they weren’t, and it wasn’t.

As for the Constitution... yes, some protections apply broadly to “persons,” but immigration law is a separate, civil framework that allows for removal of non-citizens who aren’t in compliance. That’s not a loophole, it’s longstanding constitutional law backed by precedent.

You’re trying to turn legal enforcement into a dystopian narrative. You can argue ICE is too aggressive, fine. But this isn’t about thoughtcrime... it’s about legal status. Let’s stay grounded in facts.


“DHS and (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans. A visa is a privilege, not a right. Glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated. This is common sense security,” the spokesperson told the AP.


You are either a liar or can't read so good
 
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“DHS and (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans. A visa is a privilege, not a right. Glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated. This is common sense security,” the spokesperson told the AP.


You are either a liar or can't read so good

Ah, so now we’re shifting from “ICE is kidnapping students for criticizing Israel” to “ICE revoked a visa due to ties to a terrorist organization.” That’s a massive pivot... and actually proves my point.

You just cited a case where ICE gave a reason based on national security and visa law, not someone’s political opinions. Like you said, a visa is a privilege, not a right... and if someone is found to have supported Hamas (a designated foreign terrorist organization), that’s legitimate grounds for removal. It’s not a First Amendment issue. It’s not censorship. It’s not a police state. It’s immigration enforcement based on U.S. law.

If anything, your own example shows this isn’t some shadowy, arbitrary crackdown on dissent. It’s due process in action. So, either you didn’t actually read the article you linked... or you’re just trying to change the narrative when the facts don’t fit.
 

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Ah, so now we’re shifting from “ICE is kidnapping students for criticizing Israel” to “ICE revoked a visa due to ties to a terrorist organization.” That’s a massive pivot... and actually proves my point.

You just cited a case where ICE gave a reason based on national security and visa law, not someone’s political opinions. Like you said, a visa is a privilege, not a right... and if someone is found to have supported Hamas (a designated foreign terrorist organization), that’s legitimate grounds for removal. It’s not a First Amendment issue. It’s not censorship. It’s not a police state. It’s immigration enforcement based on U.S. law.

If anything, your own example shows this isn’t some shadowy, arbitrary crackdown on dissent. It’s due process in action. So, either you didn’t actually read the article you linked... or you’re just trying to change the narrative when the facts don’t fit.
whoa whoa whoa buddy, you are the one pivoting. You said: "No credible evidence shows they were arrested because of what they wrote or believed."

Now look at you. Just licking those boots and why? Because you want the overreach of the federal government to attack those you deem unworthy.
You probably think Bill the Butcher was the hero in Gangs of New York.
 

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Yes, yes, no, yes no-no
Mr 100% of ATL is behind the homosexual agenda. Mr Concentration Camp for American citizens. You’re a full blown psychopath. You couldn’t be any angrier. You called me a confederate sympathizer because I disagree with painting streets with rainbows. You’re an angry socialist liberal, filled with self hate. Which is why you make these crazy claims, you need validation. You need everyone else to agree with your lifestyle and tell you you’re a good person and when they don’t, well they’re just homophobc rednecks.
You are proof positive that education and having a post grad degree is worthless. You don’t understand how anything works. However the most leftist trait you possess is you’re a liar.
 
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I would take a pay cut. You can’t speak for my intentions
Hey big brain, you don’t have to take a pay cut. Put that privileged money where that big mouth is and start donating your wages to people without insurance. Stop trying to force everyone else to do your bidding and do something about it. Typical leftist - has the means to help but won’t, expects others to do it because he’s an elite. Exposing yourself is ugly bro. I see why you need those rainbow sidewalks now, need that acceptance and validation because you’re not happy with you. And you shouldn’t be. You’re one of the ones Elon talks about. Wants to appear to be doing good, not actually doing anything.
 

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OK. I'll give you that.....I can't speak for your intentions. Money has never been a problem for your family AS you grew up a rich, privileged BOY.

I'm just wondering how someone 6'6" could turn out to be such a *****. I'm not sure I've ever met another one like you. It's embarassing.
Don’t concede to this. He’s not altruistic. He’s a power starved, self hating liberal. He’s lying. If he’s so concerned he can use his own money and status. But he won’t bc he’s a liar, this isn’t important to him. The appearance of being virtuous is what’s important to them, not actions.
 
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Johnny is a perfect synopsis of liberals.

He's a rich white kid, who’s mom and dad gave everything to so now he thinks all whites are privileged. There’s white privilege.

He’s got a masters - clearly not because he’s bright but because he belongs to the elite caste, he’s a perfect example of the authority liberals believe education gives them. Prime example of a smart white kid getting something he didn’t deserve or earn. There’s your social classes.

Has generational wealth but is demanding lower class people foot the bill for his privileged programs. There’s your hypocrisy.

Essentially liberals are all the things they claim they are trying to protect the oppressed from. It’s so funny and pathetic at the same time.

The irony of a gay, upper class, nepo baby, post grad educated, healthcare worker believing he’s oppressed and fighting the good fight. Unreal.
 

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Johnny is a perfect synopsis of liberals.

He's a rich white kid, who’s mom and dad gave everything to so now he thinks all whites are privileged. There’s white privilege.

He’s got a masters - clearly not because he’s bright but because he belongs to the elite caste, he’s a perfect example of the authority liberals believe education gives them. Prime example of a smart white kid getting something he didn’t deserve or earn. There’s your social classes.

Has generational wealth but is demanding lower class people foot the bill for his privileged programs. There’s your hypocrisy.

Essentially liberals are all the things they claim they are trying to protect the oppressed from. It’s so funny and pathetic at the same time.

The irony of a gay, upper class, nepo baby, post grad educated, healthcare worker believing he’s oppressed and fighting the good fight. Unreal.
It sounds like your making up a bunch of bull **** to convince yourself you don't have to listen to another point of view. Rather than attack the policy positions you attack the person because you yourself lack the ability to defend your outlook. You're coping and soothing your ego so you don't have to think about anything.

The Medicaid cuts won't begin till 2027.

"The legislation requires states to shoulder more of the cost for food assistance. Federal funding changes for these programs are set to begin in 2028. The amount a state owes will be based on a formula tied to reported payment errors, with a 15% cap for states with high error rates starting in 2029. Alaska and Hawaii receive temporary exemptions from these cost-sharing rules. Governors express concern that states may withdraw from the program due to affordability issues."

Trump will be long gone and laughing when this occurs. People with the attention span's of goldfish will blame the current administration then and everyone will have to clean up the mess.
 
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Trump supporters getting kicked off Medicaid?

Disabled children dying?

Great Depression 2.0?

Gestapo ICE in the streets detaining legal, American citizens for exercising their free speech rights?

The party of small government ballooning government spending?

Crops rotting in the fields as ICE deports all migrant workers?

Decline in American science and technical innovation due to loss of student visas?

Blows my mind how any mentally competent, patriotic, compassionate, Christian American could support this garbage. Yet here we are in the upside down

Just remember MAGA dolts, you voted for this. You wanted this **** show. This. Is. All. Your. Fault.

That TRUMP IS MASSIVELY SUCCESSFUL AND THE US AND WORLD IS IN A BETTER PLACE

WITH THE REALIZATION WE ARE ENTERING A GOLDEN AGE FOR THE UNITED STATES

DESPITE THE NAYSAYERS
 

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It sounds like your making up a bunch of bull **** to convince yourself you don't have to listen to another point of view. Rather than attack the policy positions you attack the person because you yourself lack the ability to defend your outlook. You're coping and soothing your ego so you don't have to think about anything.

The Medicaid cuts won't begin till 2027.

"The legislation requires states to shoulder more of the cost for food assistance. Federal funding changes for these programs are set to begin in 2028. The amount a state owes will be based on a formula tied to reported payment errors, with a 15% cap for states with high error rates starting in 2029. Alaska and Hawaii receive temporary exemptions from these cost-sharing rules. Governors express concern that states may withdraw from the program due to affordability issues."

Trump will be long gone and laughing when this occurs. People with the attention span's of goldfish will blame the current administration then and everyone will have to clean up the mess.
Are you high? You responded to my post with nothing of substance. I didn’t say a single thing about Medicaid. What are you even talking about. Go back and suck on a passy.
And speaking of cleaning up messes. Thanks to your bff’s we have somewhere between 12-20 million third world illegals running around the country. How much did that impact Medicaid? How much does adding millions of unhealthy, uninsured, non English speaking, non citizens on Medicaid cost. Again you don’t care about that, you care about optics and der Trump. Losers. Crying about something that might happen AFTER you’ve destroyed great institutions in this country. DEI and Immigration being 1a and 1b.
 

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Are you high? You responded to my post with nothing of substance. I didn’t say a single thing about Medicaid. What are you even talking about. Go back and suck on a passy.
And speaking of cleaning up messes. Thanks to your bff’s we have somewhere between 12-20 million third world illegals running around the country. How much did that impact Medicaid? How much does adding millions of unhealthy, uninsured, non English speaking, non citizens on Medicaid cost. Again you don’t care about that, you care about optics and der Trump. Losers.
Sad Cry GIF
 

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Ah, so now we’re shifting from “ICE is kidnapping students for criticizing Israel” to “ICE revoked a visa due to ties to a terrorist organization.” That’s a massive pivot... and actually proves my point.

You just cited a case where ICE gave a reason based on national security and visa law, not someone’s political opinions. Like you said, a visa is a privilege, not a right... and if someone is found to have supported Hamas (a designated foreign terrorist organization), that’s legitimate grounds for removal. It’s not a First Amendment issue. It’s not censorship. It’s not a police state. It’s immigration enforcement based on U.S. law.

If anything, your own example shows this isn’t some shadowy, arbitrary crackdown on dissent. It’s due process in action. So, either you didn’t actually read the article you linked... or you’re just trying to change the narrative when the facts don’t fit.
Have you seen any evidence she has supported Hamas presented? Would think they would be all about showing that evidence when challenged.
 
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whoa whoa whoa buddy, you are the one pivoting. You said: "No credible evidence shows they were arrested because of what they wrote or believed."

Now look at you. Just licking those boots and why? Because you want the overreach of the federal government to attack those you deem unworthy.
You probably think Bill the Butcher was the hero in Gangs of New York.


Nice attempt at deflection... but I’m standing by what I said: there’s no credible evidence they were arrested because of what they wrote or believed.

The case you brought up... where a student allegedly supported Hamas... wasn’t about a classroom paper or protest sign. It involved material support for a designated foreign terrorist organization, which is grounds for visa revocation under U.S. law. That’s not political speech. That’s national security law... huge difference.

And spare me the Bill the Butcher theatrics. I’m not boot-licking, I’m just not twisting facts into outrage porn. You’re trying to paint lawful immigration enforcement as tyranny because it fits your narrative. But the evidence just doesn’t support it.

If you want to argue policy reform, fine. But if you’re going to throw around claims of a “police state,” you better bring more than a movie quote.